Tel Afar, primary school attacked

[licketysplit]

Islam was invented in the middle ages, and it shows.

[Oerwinde]

I wouldn't say crap, but trying to draw morals from a merchant and a warlord from more than millennium ago is not a good idea.

I mean Christianity has at least evolved over the last thousand years, and you can expect contradictions when half of the bible was written like a thousand years before the 2nd half.

 

When was the last time a group of christians burned down a neighborhood because a guy who lived there may have at one point said the bible was nonsense?

 

They need a Caliph that isn't a complete prick to drag them into the 21st century.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Well put. Religion isn't the only means to fanaticism, but it's arguably the most efficient.

History of the twentieth century says otherwise. These "people" are just particularly bestial, but so were the nazis. Edited October 7, 2013 by Wrath of Dagon

[Hurlshort]

Religion is also an efficient way to build communities and encourage charitable acts, so lets not get carried away with the "religion is teh bad!" nonsense. 

[NOK222]

 

 

They need a Caliph that isn't a complete prick to drag them into the 21st century. 

 

Huh, would a Caliph really be good? I could see this going both ways. 

[Oerwinde]

 

 

They need a Caliph that isn't a complete prick to drag them into the 21st century.

Huh, would a Caliph really be good? I could see this going both ways.

Depends on the Caliph. If you get a crazy blow up the infidels type of Caliph that would be bad, you get someone who is more level headed and actually believes Islam is a religion of peace and rules accordingly and it could be very good.

[Nepenthe]

Religion, the opium of the people. 

 

Yeah, happily marxist ideology never spawned terror.

[TrashMan]

Well put. Religion isn't the only means to fanaticism, but it's arguably the most efficient.

 

Mao ZeDong and Stalin say hi.

 

 

Anyone who fevereshly believes in something (like a worldview) and despises the naysayers is fertile soil for fanticism. It doesn't have to be religion. People can be fantaical about anything, and have violent, irrational hatered and reactions.

 

 

I've met militant atheists and relegious zealots, and I honestly can't tell them apart.

[Walsingham]

Year Zero anyone?

 

Like Hurlshot I've got no time for people who say that religion has no positive side. Several of my personal role models had their behaviour shaped around religion.

 

The absolute definitive point here is how many hundreds of years Islam had nothing to do with this kind of mass casualty terrorism. Whereas Western anarchism and latterly communist ideologies had bomb throwing since the 1800s.

 

What the Qaeda franchise is all about is Marxist/Maoist methodology. Undermine the state through acts of terror. Shake people's faith in the system and let them see 'alternatives'. The greater the atrocity, the greater the statement. "Pay attention to us, fear us, we are alien and unstoppable."

 

Pathetic bastards.

[Malcador]

Well, attacking people's kids is a fairly easy way to terrorize them, doesn't work that much with everyone else though so they'll just want you dead.

[NOK222]

 

Religion, the opium of the people. 

 

Yeah, happily marxist ideology never spawned terror.

 

 

If you read Marx, you'll know all the communist dictators broke the number one rule. You're not supposed to skip Capitalism to get to Socialism. 

[Hurlshort]

While we are on the topic of education:

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/07/world/asia/taliban-malala/

 

The Taliban suck.

[Nepenthe]

 

 

Religion, the opium of the people. 

 

Yeah, happily marxist ideology never spawned terror.

 

 

If you read Marx, you'll know all the communist dictators broke the number one rule. You're not supposed to skip Capitalism to get to Socialism. 

 

 

So, when people misunderstood Marx, he should be forgiven, but when the same thing happens to prophet Mohammed, he shouldn't?

[Walsingham]

To return to an earlier point, it is often implied that moderate muslims need to speak out more against 'Qaeda.

 

I have a different perspective.

 

I'd like to see more moderate atheists speaking out against 'Qaeda.

 

I'd like to see a mass consciousness of, and sense of commitment to the fight against 'Qaeda. Not from muslims, but from the Western intelligentsia. The people who write constantly about how it's really the West's fault that 'Qaeda exists. That we are at fault.

 

I don't say that we don't act stupidly and even selfishly. I don't say that we are some righteous definitive way to be. But that should not preclude us acting in a much more coherent way against these bastards.

[Malcador]

While we are on the topic of education:

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/07/world/asia/taliban-malala/

 

The Taliban suck.

Not a surprise, they failed the last time and it'd be a bigger coup as she's well known now.

[NOK222]

 

 

 

Religion, the opium of the people.

 

Yeah, happily marxist ideology never spawned terror.

 

 

If you read Marx, you'll know all the communist dictators broke the number one rule. You're not supposed to skip Capitalism to get to Socialism.

 

 

So, when people misunderstood Marx, he should be forgiven, but when the same thing happens to prophet Mohammed, he shouldn't?

 

 

JA JA SICK BUR-no.

 

There's little way to misinterpret "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:86)

 

While something like "Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex." -Marx- Only **** misinterpret that.

 

"Muhammed should be for..."

 

You do realize that he married a six year old girl right? Are you guys gonna hamster this so much just because you don't want to seem as "racists"?

Edited October 7, 2013 by NKKKK

[Walsingham]

I'm not denying that there are muslims who point to the bits of the holy book and say "I'm supposed to be a child-killing bastard. Says so, right there, dude."

 

I don't blame the text. I blame the c*** who went looking for it, and was happy when he found it.

Edited October 7, 2013 by Walsingham

[NOK222]

 

 

I don't blame the text. I blame the c*** who went looking for it, and was happy when he found it.

 

I agree that we can't take blame off the individuals, but their actions are validated by a supposed holy book. 

[Walsingham]

 

 

 

I don't blame the text. I blame the c*** who went looking for it, and was happy when he found it.

 

I agree that we can't take blame off the individuals, but their actions are validated by a supposed holy book. 

 

 

A book can't validate anyone's actions. Humans can, holding a book.

 

I'll allow that a religion which has a martial tradition has an easier time justifying violence than one without. But I simply can't conflate the good men I've known who are muslims with this ludicrous death-cult bull****.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

To return to an earlier point, it is often implied that moderate muslims need to speak out more against 'Qaeda.

 

I have a different perspective.

 

I'd like to see more moderate atheists speaking out against 'Qaeda.

 

I'd like to see a mass consciousness of, and sense of commitment to the fight against 'Qaeda. Not from muslims, but from the Western intelligentsia. The people who write constantly about how it's really the West's fault that 'Qaeda exists. That we are at fault.

 

I don't say that we don't act stupidly and even selfishly. I don't say that we are some righteous definitive way to be. But that should not preclude us acting in a much more coherent way against these bastards.

Why should anyone be required to speak out against terrorism? Almost every time this topic comes up, the inevitable "moderate Muslims need to speak out against this" comment is made. Do we need college students to speak out every time some deranged twit goes on a rampage? Should all Catholics of Irish decent have had to apologize every time the NRA blew something up? Why the hell should someone who did not do the act of terrorism be required to apologize and/or condemn the acts of another publicly? Do you people think the extremists really give a **** whether or not these people wag their finger and call them ****?

[Nepenthe]

 

 

 

 

Religion, the opium of the people.

 Yeah, happily marxist ideology never spawned terror.

 If you read Marx, you'll know all the communist dictators broke the number one rule. You're not supposed to skip Capitalism to get to Socialism.

 So, when people misunderstood Marx, he should be forgiven, but when the same thing happens to prophet Mohammed, he shouldn't?

 JA JA SICK BUR-no. There's little way to misinterpret "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:86) While something like "Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex." -Marx- Only **** misinterpret that."Muhammed should be for..."You do realize that he married a six year old girl right? Are you guys gonna hamster this so much just because you don't want to seem as "racists"?

Thanks for the textbook strawman, I'll save this for later reference.

[NOK222]

Use it however you wish. 

[Malcador]

Why should anyone be required to speak out against terrorism? Almost every time this topic comes up, the inevitable "moderate Muslims need to speak out against this" comment is made. Do we need college students to speak out every time some deranged twit goes on a rampage? Should all Catholics of Irish decent have had to apologize every time the NRA blew something up? Why the hell should someone who did not do the act of terrorism be required to apologize and/or condemn the acts of another publicly? Do you people think the extremists really give a **** whether or not these people wag their finger and call them ****?

Always seem to have a vibe of 'they must declare their loyalty loudly, lest they attract suspicion' when there's a call for people in the same group as some other people to speak out. Sensible ones just need to rat out ones tending to extremism.

[Walsingham]

 

To return to an earlier point, it is often implied that moderate muslims need to speak out more against 'Qaeda.

 

I have a different perspective.

 

I'd like to see more moderate atheists speaking out against 'Qaeda.

 

I'd like to see a mass consciousness of, and sense of commitment to the fight against 'Qaeda. Not from muslims, but from the Western intelligentsia. The people who write constantly about how it's really the West's fault that 'Qaeda exists. That we are at fault.

 

I don't say that we don't act stupidly and even selfishly. I don't say that we are some righteous definitive way to be. But that should not preclude us acting in a much more coherent way against these bastards.

Why should anyone be required to speak out against terrorism? Almost every time this topic comes up, the inevitable "moderate Muslims need to speak out against this" comment is made. Do we need college students to speak out every time some deranged twit goes on a rampage? Should all Catholics of Irish decent have had to apologize every time the NRA blew something up? Why the hell should someone who did not do the act of terrorism be required to apologize and/or condemn the acts of another publicly? Do you people think the extremists really give a **** whether or not these people wag their finger and call them ****?

 

 

It must bother them quite a bit. Because even when a little girl did it, they freaked out.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

To return to an earlier point, it is often implied that moderate muslims need to speak out more against 'Qaeda.

 

I have a different perspective.

 

I'd like to see more moderate atheists speaking out against 'Qaeda.

 

I'd like to see a mass consciousness of, and sense of commitment to the fight against 'Qaeda. Not from muslims, but from the Western intelligentsia. The people who write constantly about how it's really the West's fault that 'Qaeda exists. That we are at fault.

 

I don't say that we don't act stupidly and even selfishly. I don't say that we are some righteous definitive way to be. But that should not preclude us acting in a much more coherent way against these bastards.

 

Why should anyone be required to speak out against terrorism? Almost every time this topic comes up, the inevitable "moderate Muslims need to speak out against this" comment is made. Do we need college students to speak out every time some deranged twit goes on a rampage? Should all Catholics of Irish decent have had to apologize every time the NRA blew something up? Why the hell should someone who did not do the act of terrorism be required to apologize and/or condemn the acts of another publicly? Do you people think the extremists really give a **** whether or not these people wag their finger and call them ****?

 

It must bother them quite a bit. Because even when a little girl did it, they freaked out.

And they tried to blow her up. A condemnation won't stop someone who has already decided that terror is the way to go from performing acts of terrorism.