Dragon Age: Inquisition

[alanschu]

 

 

interesting stuff, most of which touching on things i had never even contemplated before (i know very little about comedy as an industry)

 

 

Yeah I liked it.  I actually stumbled upon it today kind of by random chance.  I'm certainly someone that has done what he pointed out, and it's kind of an interesting reflection on how our experiences shape different perspectives as well as responses.

[NOK222]

I thought this was an interesting article written by a comedian.

 

http://pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?page=spew&id=167

Take that Internet Trolls!

[Orogun01]

 

interesting stuff, most of which touching on things i had never even contemplated before (i know very little about comedy as an industry)

 

 

Yeah I liked it.  I actually stumbled upon it today kind of by random chance.  I'm certainly someone that has done what he pointed out, and it's kind of an interesting reflection on how our experiences shape different perspectives as well as responses.

 

Not that I didn't enjoy it, because I did and comedy is one of my interests. But how is it related to DA, or are you prepping us for Patton Oswald being the VA of a romanceable dwarf? Cause i'd buy that.

[NOK222]

 

 

interesting stuff, most of which touching on things i had never even contemplated before (i know very little about comedy as an industry)

 

 

Yeah I liked it.  I actually stumbled upon it today kind of by random chance.  I'm certainly someone that has done what he pointed out, and it's kind of an interesting reflection on how our experiences shape different perspectives as well as responses.

 

Not that I didn't enjoy it, because I did and comedy is one of my interests. But how is it related to DA, or are you prepping us for Patton Oswald being the VA of a romanceable dwarf? Cause i'd buy that.

 

He's making an indirect statement at rude people. 

[alanschu]

 

 

Not that I didn't enjoy it, because I did and comedy is one of my interests. But how is it related to DA, or are you prepping us for Patton Oswald being the VA of a romanceable dwarf? Cause i'd buy that.

 

Specifically for the idea that people fill in the assumptions that they don't know with a narrative that they believe is true, and have a tendency to do so with great conviction because, well, if it wasn't the correct conclusion then I would have concluded something else.

 

 

I find it interesting that the comedian felt the same way regarding rape jokes, although upon looking at it from a different perspective (the assumptions that people make about his profession which are so obviously true), he had a minor bout with some cognitive dissonance and realized that because he fills in those blanks and assumes them to be true, perhaps he is mistaken.

[Orogun01]

 

Not that I didn't enjoy it, because I did and comedy is one of my interests. But how is it related to DA, or are you prepping us for Patton Oswald being the VA of a romanceable dwarf? Cause i'd buy that.

 

Specifically for the idea that people fill in the assumptions that they don't know with a narrative that they believe is true, and have a tendency to do so with great conviction because, well, if it wasn't the correct conclusion then I would have concluded something else.

 

 

I find it interesting that the comedian felt the same way regarding rape jokes, although upon looking at it from a different perspective (the assumptions that people make about his profession which are so obviously true), he had a minor bout with some cognitive dissonance and realized that because he fills in those blanks and assumes them to be true, perhaps he is mistaken.

 

So let me see if I get your point, you're talking about a self fulling prophecy that because some fans feel that DA2 was bad and ME3 was bad then DA:I will be bad?

[NOK222]

I'm getting social justice vibes here. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I'm getting social justice vibes here.

Dragon Age: Social Justice Crusade?

[licketysplit]

 

I'm getting social justice vibes here.

Dragon Age: Social Justice Crusade?

 

 

Sounds about right. 

[alanschu]

So let me see if I get your point, you're talking about a self fulling prophecy that because some fans feel that DA2 was bad and ME3 was bad then DA:I will be bad?

 

No, I am saying that people will fill in whatever blanks that exist about EA and it's level of influence over decisions (content or otherwise) with whatever narrative they believe, and they will have the conviction to believe that their assessment is correct because of the mind's ability to convince itself that the deductions it makes must be reality.  People make the snap judgments (despite not actually knowing any better) about comedians copying each other and how their personal experience with a heckler was enjoyable, so therefore all comedians copy each other and comedians enjoy hecklers because it makes for a fun show.  They believe this because it makes sense in their reality, even if the comedians themselves state that neither are true.

 

 

Look at anubite's post, who specifically calls out that while I'm an employee at BioWare, I'm not in the super secret meetings.  Yet despite that, in the same post he speaks with a high degree of conviction that his own impressions of how reality is are quite likely correct (and possibly even moreso than my own understandings, despite me actually working for BioWare).

 

 

Although, another interesting observation in this thread is the idea that, since my link made a reference to rape jokes and how the comedian can understand why someone doesn't like them, some people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a "social justice" issue.  I suspect my employment with BioWare helped people come to this conclusion as well.  I consider it another example of how the mind fills in the blanks in the ways that the observer expects them too.  Typically, in my opinion, to reinforce one's perspective of reality.

Edited September 20, 2013 by alanschu

[Maria Caliban]

I think he's saying that gamers leap to conclusions like rabbits with wasabi covered butt plugs in their rear.

 

But I may be filling in the blanks incorrectly.

[alanschu]

Just seeing what you want to see

[licketysplit]

I think he's saying that gamers leap to conclusions like rabbits with wasabi covered butt plugs in their rear.

 

But I may be filling in the blanks incorrectly.

 

Nice generalization. I dare say some gamers have the power of distinction.

Edited September 20, 2013 by licketysplit

[Orogun01]

Thanks for clarifying.

On a related note I now have a craving for wasabi plugged rabbit.

[BruceVC]

 

So let me see if I get your point, you're talking about a self fulling prophecy that because some fans feel that DA2 was bad and ME3 was bad then DA:I will be bad?

 

No, I am saying that people will fill in whatever blanks that exist about EA and it's level of influence over decisions (content or otherwise) with whatever narrative they believe, and they will have the conviction to believe that their assessment is correct because of the mind's ability to convince itself that the deductions it makes must be reality.  People make the snap judgments (despite not actually knowing any better) about comedians copying each other and how their personal experience with a heckler was enjoyable, so therefore all comedians copy each other and comedians enjoy hecklers because it makes for a fun show.  They believe this because it makes sense in their reality, even if the comedians themselves state that neither are true.

 

 

Look at anubite's post, who specifically calls out that while I'm an employee at BioWare, I'm not in the super secret meetings.  Yet despite that, in the same post he speaks with a high degree of conviction that his own impressions of how reality is are quite likely correct (and possibly even moreso than my own understandings, despite me actually working for BioWare).

 

 

Although, another interesting observation in this thread is the idea that, since my link made a reference to rape jokes and how the comedian can understand why someone doesn't like them, some people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a "social justice" issue.  I suspect my employment with BioWare helped people come to this conclusion as well.  I consider it another example of how the mind fills in the blanks in the ways that the observer expects them too.  Typically, in my opinion, to reinforce one's perspective of reality.

 

 

Alan I really admire the way you can debate a point and defend the company you work for. That's the way it should be especially when a company has accomplished so much and given so much entertainment to millions of people. I love the company I work at and take pride in what it has accomplished and if someone was making slanderous or unfair  comments about it I would refute them.

 

But to use an Internet colloquialism "haters will be haters". I have come to realize that with some people even when presented with irrefutable facts they won't change there opinion and will continue to be intransigent. Its like that article you posted about people who rationalize the facts instead of reasoning when clearly there view is wrong

 

So why bother with some debates? Also the complete irony of all this "Bioware Bashing" is that I guarantee you that 90% of people who claim to dislike Bioware and say they betrayed the principles of RPG will be playing DA:I. And you know why? Its not because EA is some manipulative Western corporation that will fool people with some marketing charade that will cost millions of dollars its because DA:I is shaping up to be an amazing and very entertaining RPG...and in essence that's the point of why we participate on these forums. We play games so why wouldn't anyone not want to play DA:I

[NOK222]

 

 

Although, another interesting observation in this thread is the idea that, since my link made a reference to rape jokes and how the comedian can understand why someone doesn't like them, some people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a "social justice" issue. 

 

Oh stop being so dramatic, I said i was getting vibes, I didn't jump to any conclusions. 

[Maria Caliban]

Thanks for clarifying.

 

On a related note I now have a craving for wasabi plugged rabbit.

Today I had a Panini sandwich with slices of duck and a jalapeno jam.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Thanks for clarifying.

 

On a related note I now have a craving for wasabi plugged rabbit.

Today I had a Panini sandwich with slices of duck and a jalapeno jam.

 

 

Today I had ice cream and too much vodka. Will hangovers be in DAI? If not my immersion will be ruined and I will be forced to jump into a pool to recover it.

[alanschu]

 

I think he's saying that gamers leap to conclusions like rabbits with wasabi covered butt plugs in their rear.

 

But I may be filling in the blanks incorrectly.

 

Nice generalization. I dare say some gamers have the power of distinction.

 

 

While I'd say that Maria's choice of words was more to add some levity, I certainly would NOT suggest that gamers are any more immune to this effect than any other sizeable group of human beings (I am certainly not immune to it, even if I more actively try to specifically not do so).

 

Further, I would postulate that it's a very human condition (all sorts of schools of psychology suggest why it may have positives) and affects a lot of us.  Sometimes it's not explicit cognitive ability either.  I mean, your brain literally just washes over the blind spot in your visible spectrum by assuming that it's just an interpolation of the retina around it.  So if you have an appropriately sized black spot on a white background and it sits in your blind spot, you simply see white.  Your brain does this without any effort on your part.  In fact, your brain does a LOT of things without conscious effort on your part.

Edited September 20, 2013 by alanschu

[Labadal]

I might be a bit late but I liked ME3 more than DA2 thanks to the combat. I disliked a lot of things in ME3, but I always looked forward to the next fight, unlike DA2.

[alanschu]

 

 

So why bother with some debates?

 

On some level, simply because I kind of find them fun.  Even if sometimes I respond with more of a hostile tone.

[Maria Caliban]

Why does he engage in pointless debates? He's a gamer on the internet, and he can't watch porn at work.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Why does he engage in pointless debates? He's a gamer on the internet, and he can't watch porn at work.

Well, I'm sure he could, but he would likely be stuck with xhamster. No one should have to use xhamster.

[Tale]

Why does he engage in pointless debates? He's a gamer on the internet, and he can't watch porn at work.

What kind of slavehouse are they running there? All the best game studios allow it.

[Volourn]

 BIO is not an independent company. It is enslaved to EA. EA is BIO. It's not complex no matter what babble you spew. EA owns BIO the same way I own my computer. They do what they want with it. Period.

 

As for ME3 vs DA2, DA2 is the better game. ME3 is the only  game outside of SS, MDK2, and S:RPG that I haven't finished.