Walsingham Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I hope to Buddha that oby isn't the standard of rationality for all troll-type youngsters. Two youtube videos constituting a line of argument. That line of reasoning seems to imply there's a degree of trolling that's intellectually acceptable 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Wait, a "secret" APC is shown on a mounted and framed poster, complete with bullet points? The Russians must be terrible at secrets. 3 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgambit Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) Wait, a "secret" APC is shown on a mounted and framed poster, complete with bullet points? The Russians must be terrible at secrets. and announced by the Russian Defense Ministry in February of 2012 Edited December 16, 2013 by kgambit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Isn't there some truth to the idea that US forces prefer more tactical speed when securing a building. Also I would surmise that it depended on whether the job was to secure one farmhouse or 100 bungalows. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I can't comment on how sensible it is or isn't but there's a school of thought that holds you should shock the occupants of a dwelling when you head into it. It's supposed to stun them into not counter-attacking. Of course, if they aren't terrorists then it does annoy the **** out of them. But war in general isn't renowned for its easy going and relaxing qualities. Edited December 16, 2013 by Walsingham "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I still like the thermobaric weapon they used for building clearing in Iraq Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 A piece from the Atlantic on America's drone war by Mark Bowden, he of Black Hawk Down, Killing Pablo, and Guests of the Ayatollah fame. Another fantastic piece from one of investigative journalism's most lucid and elegant straight shooters. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-killing-machines-how-to-think-about-drones/309434/ 2 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 A piece from the Atlantic on America's drone war by Mark Bowden, he of Black Hawk Down, Killing Pablo, and Guests of the Ayatollah fame. Another fantastic piece from one of investigative journalism's most lucid and elegant straight shooters. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-killing-machines-how-to-think-about-drones/309434/ I'd echo this. If you haven't read any Mark Bowden I wholeheartedly recommend him. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Meanwhile Indian carrier pass English channel where he is encounter British rusty frigate. I can imagine how many laught causing for carrier crew this meeting with pathetic ex-Masters. http://youtu.be/ScFcCcw1jNw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroney Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I was under the impression that frigates were quite often smaller than aircraft carriers. Dirty deeds done cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Protagonist Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 It's actually a British Carrier that's been outsourced to India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Actually that would be a hand-me-down Kiev class refurbished into a full-on CATOBAR aircraft carrier. Credit where it's due... to the Indians, they were smart enough not to take Russia's Yak-38s off of their hands, which were infamously Hanger Queens at the best of times and Widowmakers at the worst, and stuck with a testament to British engineering, the Sea Harrier. At any rate, they're in better shape than Russia's naval aviation. With the lion's share of procurement dollars for fixed wing aircraft going to the RuAF, the Su-33 navalised Flanker has been left in sore need of refurbishment as compared to its terrestrial brothers. Instead, the Russian navy has opted to procure the MiG-29K, which is arguably a huge downgrade on a per aircraft basis. Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 the Russian navy has opted to procure the MiG-29K, which is arguably a huge downgrade on a per aircraft basis. Isn't the usual Russian Federation strategy focusing on Zerg rushing opponents? HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) the Russian navy has opted to procure the MiG-29K, which is arguably a huge downgrade on a per aircraft basis. Isn't the usual Russian Federation strategy focusing on Zerg rushing opponents? Believe it or not, Russia isn't exactly in a position to do this anymore for a host of reasons: 1. Despite being the "largest" SSR of the Soviet Union, it only comprised half of the entire population of the USSR. Thus, Russia now has a much smaller pool of recruits to draw conscripts from. At the moment, they have an even smaller population than Bangladesh. 2. Adding to this, Russia has had *negative* population growth ever since the break-up of the Soviet Union, a trend that's not set to reverse until 2017 at the earliest. 3. Further adding to this is the fact that they've reduced the obligatory service time in the armed forces from the two years in services that are not the navy (three years) from Soviet times to eighteen months following the break-up to a single year. In addition the retention rate for conscripts willing to re-enlist is astoundingly low, and where voluntary service is seen as a sign of fidelity and dedication for other militaries, contract soldiers (especially NCOs) are viewed with some contempt by commissioned officers and military brass. 4. *Adding to this* is the fact that there exists many ways for those of legal age to get an exemption or deferral (oby) from military service. There being a growing number of Russians getting a college education who have aspirations for other things and the institution of corruption being what it is in Russia, I don't think I have to paint you a picture. All that said, the MiG-29K is significantly smaller than the Su-33, which does mean they can fit more of the aircraft on board the Kuznetsov. With the Su-33 as its sole fixed-wing aircraft, the Kuznetsov had a very small complement of fleet-defense fighters (fourteen at max, as compared to the 64 F/A-18s of varying types normally carried on board a Nimitz) Edited December 18, 2013 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The frigate is rusty because it goes to sea. Show me a working ship which isn't. LoFoby won't recognise the symptoms because the Russian fleet rarely goes anywhere. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroney Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The frigate is rusty because it goes to sea. Show me a working ship which isn't. LoFoby won't recognise the symptoms because the Russian fleet rarely goes anywhere. That's not just any old rusty frigate, either. It's HMS Monmouth. She's got the most honours out of any of our current fleet. Having her escort you would have been a mark of respect. 2 Dirty deeds done cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Believe it or not, Russia isn't exactly in a position to do this anymore for a host of reasons: 1. Despite being the "largest" SSR of the Soviet Union, it only comprised half of the entire population of the USSR. Thus, Russia now has a much smaller pool of recruits to draw conscripts from. At the moment, they have an even smaller population than Bangladesh. 2. Adding to this, Russia has had *negative* population growth ever since the break-up of the Soviet Union, a trend that's not set to reverse until 2017 at the earliest. 3. Further adding to this is the fact that they've reduced the obligatory service time in the armed forces from the two years in services that are not the navy (three years) from Soviet times to eighteen months following the break-up to a single year. In addition the retention rate for conscripts willing to re-enlist is astoundingly low, and where voluntary service is seen as a sign of fidelity and dedication for other militaries, contract soldiers (especially NCOs) are viewed with some contempt by commissioned officers and military brass. 4. *Adding to this* is the fact that there exists many ways for those of legal age to get an exemption or deferral (oby) from military service. There being a growing number of Russians getting a college education who have aspirations for other things and the institution of corruption being what it is in Russia, I don't think I have to paint you a picture. All that said, the MiG-29K is significantly smaller than the Su-33, which does mean they can fit more of the aircraft on board the Kuznetsov. With the Su-33 as its sole fixed-wing aircraft, the Kuznetsov had a very small complement of fleet-defense fighters (fourteen at max, as compared to the 64 F/A-18s of varying types normally carried on board a Nimitz) I know, I was being facetious. But the state of the Russian military does explain why oby's so desperate to improve his mood by posting agitprop on the forums. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The frigate is rusty because it goes to sea. Show me a working ship which isn't. LoFoby won't recognise the symptoms because the Russian fleet rarely goes anywhere. That's not just any old rusty frigate, either. It's HMS Monmouth. She's got the most honours out of any of our current fleet. Having her escort you would have been a mark of respect. Sorry. I get easily confused where the sea is concerned. did you know fish f*** in it? Unsanitary. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Russian warship troll entire British Fleet. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html http://youtu.be/t0jgZKV4N_A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) So you're saying the Russian navy is reducing to trolling? <joke for Americans> Edited January 7, 2014 by Walsingham "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 http://youtu.be/S1Hdek0QDDU Allahu akbar! Iran strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) USN has been there, done that: Fun fact: I guess the artist did not know that the thing on the F/A-18's centerline hardpoint is not a bomb, but an external fuel tank. Edited February 24, 2014 by Agiel 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 USN has been there, done that: Fun fact: I guess the artist did not know that the thing on the F/A-18's centerline hardpoint is not a bomb, but an external fuel tank. Hey, I was born on 18/04/88. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 You're making me feel old Tagaziel! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Damn, that makes me a year older than the catman. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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