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The difference is fairly miniscule. If all you're going to use the computer for is gaming, then the i5 is a better buy. Not because it performs better, but because it is cheaper and performs about the same.

At least this was the case with previous generation (sandy bridge), not sure if it still holds up. Haven't been paying attention to processor tests lately.

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Ivy Bridge CPUs perform more or less the same as Sandy Bridge CPUs.

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As ever, thanks. I looked at the build you recommended and from that worked backwards... I'm angling for the i7 Black Pearl in a less stupid case.

http://www.cyberpowe...i7_Black_Pearl/

Looking at this:

  • CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3930K Six Core 3.20 GHz 12MB Intel Smart Cache LGA2011 ***Overclockable XXX***
  • HDD: 128 GB Kingston V200 2.5 inch SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk (Single Hard Drive)
  • MEMORY: 16GB (8x2GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Quad Channel Memory (Kingston HyperX w/Heat Spreader)
  • MOTHERBOARD: Asus P9X79 Pro Intel X79 Chipset, 3-Way SLI / Crossfire supported, 4 Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 8 RAM slots, UEFI Bios, BT GO, SSD Caching, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen3 PCIe x16 & 2 PCIe x1 ***Overclockable XXX***
  • SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
  • VIDEO: Liquid Cooling NVIDIA GTX 680 2GB GDDR5 VRAM (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
What stands out as needing a tweak?

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I would like a HDD usable for storage, but if you're fine with 128 GB you can do without.

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As ever, thanks. I looked at the build you recommended and from that worked backwards... I'm angling for the i7 Black Pearl in a less stupid case.

http://www.cyberpowe...i7_Black_Pearl/

Looking at this:

  • CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3930K Six Core 3.20 GHz 12MB Intel Smart Cache LGA2011 ***Overclockable XXX***
  • HDD: 128 GB Kingston V200 2.5 inch SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk (Single Hard Drive)
  • MEMORY: 16GB (8x2GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Quad Channel Memory (Kingston HyperX w/Heat Spreader)
  • MOTHERBOARD: Asus P9X79 Pro Intel X79 Chipset, 3-Way SLI / Crossfire supported, 4 Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 8 RAM slots, UEFI Bios, BT GO, SSD Caching, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen3 PCIe x16 & 2 PCIe x1 ***Overclockable XXX***
  • SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
  • VIDEO: Liquid Cooling NVIDIA GTX 680 2GB GDDR5 VRAM (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
What stands out as needing a tweak?


I suggested that case because you said you liked Alienware rigs. I guess I misjudged something. :)

Again, I think the CPU is way too much money for little to no actual gaming improvement. Also, the graphics card is good but an overclocked version of the 670 might be better. But, as cost really seems to not be an issue at all for you, then go for it.

Regarding storage, 128GB is rather small. In the build I made for you there was an SSD and a 1TB HDD. If you feel you don't need that much storage space you might as well go for one of the beefier SSDs. A 500GB one perhaps. Sure it's expensive, but if you don't mind going the maximum price route with the CPU as well as the GPU you might as well pony up in the Hard Drive department, as well.

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Thanks guys, there is some food for thought there. So what you are saying is that I can scale the CPU back to an i5 but beef up the memory to SSD and 1 TB HDD? The options are there on the site when ordering. I agree that 128GB seems small, I have a lot of photos and music.

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That's exactly what I'd do. And potentially scale back to a 670 as well, but I can fault anyone going for the more powerful card (although the 670 is more value, sometimes performance is worth it)

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Thanks guys, there is some food for thought there. So what you are saying is that I can scale the CPU back to an i5 but beef up the memory to SSD and 1 TB HDD? The options are there on the site when ordering. I agree that 128GB seems small, I have a lot of photos and music.


Yes, that would work. What's your budget, by the way?

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Has a long chat with the guy at Cyberpower, who was very hlepful. He was in broad agreement with your views on chip versus memory and suggested this build...

(based on their Liquid i7 Kraken but tweaked with an i5 chip) http://www.cyberpowe...quid_i7_Kraken/

This case is much, much nicer though IMO... and it's very quiet http://www.cyberpowe...Original Color)


CAS:CoolerMaster Cosmos Silent Gaming Tower Case w/ 420 Watts Power Supply (Full Tower) [+4] (Original Color)

CASUPGRADE:NONE

CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE. (BLACK COLOR)

CD2:NONE

COOL:NONE

CPU:Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Quad Core 3.40 GHz 6MB Cache LGA1155 + HD Graphics ***Overclockable XXX*** [-84]

CS_FAN:Default Case Fan

DONGLES:NONE

EXPAN:NONE

FA_HDD:None

FAN:Asetek 510LC / Xtremegear Liquid Cooling system w/ 120mm Radiator [-37] (Asetek CPU Water Cooling ***Overclockable XXX***)

FLASHMEDIA:None

FREEBIE_CS:None

GLASS3D:NONE

HDD:60 GB Corsair Force Series 3 SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [-11] (Single Hard Drive)

HDD2:2TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive [+79] (Single Hard Drive)

HOMEINSTALL:NONE

IEEE_CARD:NONE

INSURANCE:NONE

KEYBOARD:Thermaltake Gaming Challenger USB Keyboard with 6 Macro Keys ( Black) [+28]

MB_SRT:None

MEMORY:16GB (4x4GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Dual Channel Memory [+108] (Corsair XMS3 w/Heat Spreader)

MONITOR:24" TFT Active Matrix LCD/LED Display [+98] (Samsung Syncmaster S24A350H 2ms 1920x1080, D-sub, HDMI, Black Full HD LED Wide Monitor [+66])

MONITOR2:NONE

MONITOR3:NONE

MOTHERBOARD:MSI Z77A-G43 Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, IRST, Lucid Virtu MVP, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 2x PCIe x16 (1 Gen3, 1 Gen2), 1x PCIe x1 & 3 PCI ***Overclockable XXX***

MOUSE:Thermaltake Azurues Gaming USB Mouse 1600dpi with 3 Buttons (Black) [+22]

NETWORK:ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs

OS:Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

OVERCLOCK:XXX Overclocking (CPU Extreme overclock: guaranteed min. 20%, max. 30%.)

POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts Power Supplies (Cyberpower 700watt high performance Gaming Power Supply -- SLI / Crossfire Ready ***Overclockable XXX***)

RUSH:NONE

SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

SPEAKERS:NONE

TEMP:NONE

UPS:None

USB1:Built-in USB 2.0 Ports

VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

VIDEO2:None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics

VIDEO3:None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics

WARRANTY:STANDARD WARRANTY: 3 Year Labour, 1 Year Parts, 1 Month Collect and Return plus Life-Time Technical Support


With a top end 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse this comes in at well under UK£1500. I was prepared to spend 2000+

Edited by Monte Carlo, 30 May 2012 - 08:08 AM.


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By the way, tech dude agreed on overclocked 670 GeForce which is the route I'm gonna go.

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You sure you want water cooling?


My take with my own personal biases: http://www.cyberpowe....aspx?id=435127

The only recommendation I would really really push is to get the Crucial SSD in lieu of the other options, it's the best reliable option there is. I'd also strongly suggest the PSU upgrade if only because I have no idea how good their own-branded one you listed is.

The rest is me going nuts for a quiet build as per personal preference, and adding both the best sound card option and big IPS screen because of my crusade against onboard sound and TN panel monitors.
  • Case: Antec P183 V3 Advanced Super Mid Tower Black [+35]
  • CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Quad Core 3.40 GHz 6MB Cache LGA1155 + HD Graphics ***Overclockable XXX*** [-84]
  • Cooling Fan: PROLIMATCH MEGAHALEMS Rev. B Gaming CPU Fan with 6 direct heatpipes, can run ultra quiet in passive mode with high performance ***Overclockable XXX*** [-20]
  • Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G43 Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, IRST, Lucid Virtu MVP, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 2x PCIe x16 (1 Gen3, 1 Gen2), 1x PCIe x1 & 3 PCI ***Overclockable XXX***
  • Memory: 8GB (4x2GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
  • Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
  • Power Supply Upgrade: 750 Watts Power Supplies [+7] (Corsair 750 Watts CMPSU-750TXV2 Gaming Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready [+17])
  • Hard Drive: 256 GB Crucial M4 Series SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+94] (Single Hard Drive)
  • Data Hard Drive: 2TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive [+79] (Single Hard Drive)
  • Optical Drive: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE. (BLACK COLOR)
  • Sound: Asus Xonar Essence ST 24-bit 192KHz PCI Sound Card [+136]
  • LCD Monitor: Dell 27" U2711 A09 WQHD, IPS LCD Monitor. 2560x1440, HDMI, 2xDVI-D, Display Port, 5 xUSB, 8in1 reader [+504]
  • Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
Admittedly it blows the budget out to 2221GBP (inc VAT) but that's mostly from the monitor. :p

Edited by Humanoid, 30 May 2012 - 09:29 AM.


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I approve of the one you posted (don't know which link that was, too lazy to check) with one small caveat. 60GB is nowhere near enough for an SSD. You really, really REALLY want at least 128 GB, and if you like to keep your games installed probably twice that.

Unless (and this will get a bit technical), the motherboard supports ssd caching, which means you'll "attach" the ssd to the 2TB drive and then some clever algorithms will figure out what files you use the most and copy those to the SSD. It won't give you the write speeds of an SSD, but it will give you reading speeds that are good enough. I have a setup like that and can't really tell the difference between that and separating the ssd and storage drive, and it is very nice not having to care about drive size at all more or less.

Edit: Since Humanoid managed to sneak in between, my post was directed to MC.

As a comment to Humanoids question about water cooling, it sin't REAL watercooling. it's just one of those cpu coolers, isn't it? Sure, the Megahalem is probably a bit better, but it's pretty much a toss up.

Also, why on earth spend money on a soundcard? Does MC have the speaker setup (and ears) to take advantage of that? (also in regard to Humanoids package).

Edited by Spider, 30 May 2012 - 09:27 AM.


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The Essence ST/STX (the difference is that the ST is PCI and the STX is PCIe, otherwise pretty much the same) also has a headphone amp so it's the absolute best option for both a headphone setup or a 2.0/2.1 stereo setup. It does however require an add-on board to do surround. But yeah, it'd be the first thing to cut if you wanted to reduce the overall cost.


As for stereo speakers, I'd recommend a quality set of powered speakers, such as:
Audioengine A5 (or the smaller A2): http://audioengineus...e/Audioengine-5
Paradigm Shift: http://www.paradigm....ers/index.shtml
Aktimate Mini: http://www.aktimate.com.au/

Edited by Humanoid, 30 May 2012 - 09:46 AM.


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@Monte: the one thing in that setup I'd change is the monitor. Pick either the PA238Q, or the PA246Q, as the improvement in image quality will be quite noticeable. The difference in lag however, won't be noticeable which is the one reason some people keep on complaining about IPS monitors like those two.

Also note that the PA246Q is a 16:10 monitor which will also make a bit of a difference in terms of screen real estate. So really, really go with the PA246Q. Please.

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Humanoid - good shout on PSU I'm asking that question. I'm easy about speakers, I'm with Spider on that one.

Spider, I'm asking for a TB of memory, of course you are correct. I'm an old-skool gamer, I have shedloads of old games installed on the hard drive and I like it that way!

This build came in a bit under budget - I can afford the memory so I'm going for it.

To be fair, the guys at Cyberpower are very helpful and nothing appears to be too much trouble. I'll keep you updated as I go through the process.

Cheers

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Pidesco - ty will research the options on the monitors. I will definitely take your word for it.

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Update: Went for the ASUS PA246Q monitor as per Pidesco's strong suggestion and upgraded to 2TB of memory. I have two SSDs and the GeForce 670. The whole thing is going to be overclocked, of course :alienani:

Will let you know how the delivery and installation dramas turn out.

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Hooray! I hope you are suitably amazed by the monitor.

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Get 3 monitors for surround gaming. Geforce 600 cards let you do surround on 1 card

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I have Das Beast am about to switch off this rig and consign it to a fate as yet undecided.

Will let you know how things pan out with this new machine. I also LOL'd when I saw that the keyboard came with a tiny fan "to keep your hands cool whilst gaming." Srsly.




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