Libya

[Gfted1]

The only thing the US exports nowadays are debt and Hollywood movies. I'm sure the rest of the world can handle these "repercussions".

 

Wow, that was stupid even being intended as a zing.

[Malcador]

Would have to worry about all their imports then.

 

I have to say France whining at NATO for not doing enough, the rebels blaming the US for not doing more, and just the general incompetence of the rebels themselves has to be making Gaddafi chuckle.

[Walsingham]

the only folks in europe who is looking forward to US economic collapse is undereducated, middle-class socialist brats with no awareness o' the repercussions o' such an eventuality.

The only thing the US exports nowadays are debt and Hollywood movies. I'm sure the rest of the world can handle these "repercussions".

 

In before everyone else:

 

...and pure liquid evil.

[Morgoth]

Well, we shall find out sooner than later. At least I have prepared for the worst.

[Walsingham]

Well, we shall find out sooner than later. At least I have prepared for the worst.

 

I'm guessing you haven't. And besides which preparing for the worst could be a grotesque waste of resources. The same resources capable of exploiting better conditions and delivering ultimately more resilience, both emotionally and materially.

 

That was more coherent than I had intended.

[Morgoth]

Better spending some ressources now than being wiped out later.

 

Or do you want to end up like them?

 

[Calax]

The only thing the US exports nowadays are debt and Hollywood movies. I'm sure the rest of the world can handle these "repercussions".

 

Wow, that was stupid even being intended as a zing.

YEAH! HE FORGOT JOBS!

[Gorgon]

Military advisers. It's like Vietnam, except we would win it easy as pie. Instead we let it drag on for months on end.

[Walsingham]

I know the media are making it sound like Vietnam, but so far as I can tell it really isn't.

 

1. Numbers - simply too few to train anyone in infantry skills. They really must be going to teach them staff skills. It's still useful. But it's not anything like the tales of combat advisors tagging along in the early days of Vietnam.

 

2. With basically every rebel in the field when would you train them? Would they even react well to being told to soldier in the professional sense? I think not.

 

3. Everything I've ever read about urban fighting suggests the only way to learn it is to do it. The rebels are already doing it. Let them get on with it.

 

4. Finally, it's the logistics and operational control which the rebels are getting bongo'd on. So by sticking to just that we can achieve a lot of 'good' without anyone coming home in a casket.

 

~~

 

I think the really interesting thing is how fast the merc-lead training got shot down.

[Malcador]

Why do we want these "rebels" to win, again ?

[Morgoth]

Why do we want these "rebels" to win, again ?

Funny, dictators in other countries like Jemen mow down their citizens in the dozens or hundreds, yet I don't hear anything about these atrocities from the US/NATO. No "humanitarian" mission there. Must be because they have no oil.

[Walsingham]

FFS, Morgoth we've been over this a million times. Wars cost money. If they aren't remotely beneficial to the economy of the country funding them, then ...er... they don't ****ing work. But that still doesn't mean it's only about money.

 

You might just as well look at a paediatrician and say "You heartless c***. Why don't you help kids for free?"

[Zoraptor]

Looks like

they swore the Hypocritic Oath

rather than the Hippocratic one

:caruso:

 

Why do we want these "rebels" to win, again ?

Funny, dictators in other countries like Jemen mow down their citizens in the dozens or hundreds, yet I don't hear anything about these atrocities from the US/NATO. No "humanitarian" mission there. Must be because they have no oil.

Well, there is Bahrain which does have oil.

 

And has what is basically an organised pogrom of the Shia designed to crush them permanently going on right now under the mandate of foreign forces with systematic destruction of Shia religious sites and such wonderful humanitarian gestures as arresting doctors who have treated protesters as well as torture and beating to death of said prisoners. All done to a crescendo of criticism from the great supporters of freedom in the West, of course.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Zoraptor

[Walsingham]

I'm going to step a degree further right, in case anyone's tracking me, and suggest that NOT invading countries with oil while stampeding towards countries with none nor any other mineral assets is going to make not one single currently unhappy 'intellectual' any more happy. You're still going to find a hundred other reasons why America is evil, and we are it's little dancing puppets.

 

There is a word for a plan which costs massive amounts of blood and treasure and isn't an improvement. That word is 'bollocks'.

[obyknven]

The Pacte Coloniale Agreement enshrined a special preference for France in the political, commercial and defence processes in the African countries. On defence it agreed two types of continuing contact. The first was the open agreement on military co-operation or Technical Military Aid (AMT) agreements, which weren

[pmp10]

stuff

TL;DR version:

intervention is a French plot to maintain economical privileges?

[Walsingham]

Again I'd like to remind listeners that obyknven is LoF wearing a t**s disguise.

[obyknven]

TL;DR version:

intervention is a French plot to maintain economical privileges?

Yes. France opposed the formation of a pan-African union. Without Gadhafi, the pan-African movement is dead. He was the only prominent voice driving that movement. He was keeping those ideas alive. There

[Gorgon]

I know the media are making it sound like Vietnam, but so far as I can tell it really isn't.

 

1. Numbers - simply too few to train anyone in infantry skills. They really must be going to teach them staff skills. It's still useful. But it's not anything like the tales of combat advisors tagging along in the early days of Vietnam.

 

2. With basically every rebel in the field when would you train them? Would they even react well to being told to soldier in the professional sense? I think not.

 

3. Everything I've ever read about urban fighting suggests the only way to learn it is to do it. The rebels are already doing it. Let them get on with it.

 

4. Finally, it's the logistics and operational control which the rebels are getting bongo'd on. So by sticking to just that we can achieve a lot of 'good' without anyone coming home in a casket.

 

~~

 

I think the really interesting thing is how fast the merc-lead training got shot down.

Actually no one is saying that it's like Vietnam, and it isn't. Except for it being a 'we are not really at war' war.

[Gorgon]

One big change from original Witcher is that while the silly collectible sex cards from the first game are out, fully animated sex scenes are now in, with no shame or censor bars.

 

This is the right way to go about it.

[Gorgon]

Wrong thread obviously.

[obyknven]

Bloody dictator arming civilians.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/id...E73K1AB20110421

 

[Gorgon]

That's from the Libyan minister of information. You are aware that this is a totalitarian regime, and that what they put out is little more than smoke and mirrors designed to improve their odds in negotiations.

 

Anyone remember that Iraqi minister of information, he was the funniest thing in the whole show. Fan of his work as well ?

[Pidesco]

Again I'd like to remind listeners that obyknven is LoF wearing a t**s disguise.

 

 

Sorry, but no.

[Orogun01]

Again I'd like to remind listeners that obyknven is LoF wearing a t**s disguise.

It's much more pleasant that way