Why not give bums the option of euthanasia?

[Guest The Architect]

Probably an idea you've heard before, but seriously, why not? Sure, they could continue the everlasting struggle with their sad lives, and cling on to a small hope that their lives could change, or they could say, "**** it." and put themselves out of their misery.

 

I don't want this to turn into another for or against euthanasia debate, this is specifically about homeless people, even people in third world countries, or anyone who's not only finding no joy in life, but extremely unhealthy and struggling to survive.

[Gorgon]

You really are a little attention whore aren't you. Look at me, I'm outrageous while pretending to be serious.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Gorgon

[Walsingham]

It depends, if you mean a comfortable transition by morphia, in a safe and supportive environment... I'd say no.

 

If you are suggesting they be chased screaming down the streets of a small old world Spanish town by regened velociraptors, or flung from a trebuchet into the Hudson river while holding sparklers, then I say yes.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Walsingham

[Blarghagh]

I nominate this for the worst topic ever award.

[Tigranes]

No personal attacks, if you don't like the topic, exit stage left.

 

I think the very impact of telling bums or homeless people or whoever "hey, you fall into the category where your life is so crap euthanasia is acceptable" is probably more terrible.

[Pidesco]

Modest Proposal, bitches.

[bigcrazewolf]

It depends, if you mean a comfortable transition by morphia, in a safe and supportive environment... I'd say no.

 

If you are suggesting they be chased screaming down the streets of a small old world Spanish town by regened velociraptors, or flung from a trebuchet into the Hudson river while holding sparklers, then I say yes.

The mental picture

 

oh oh....can the regened velociraptors be covered in feathers, have nose rings, and be genetically altered to have red lipstick lips

[Malcador]

One time a mayoral candidate here made an announcement that he discovered the final solution to the homeless problem. Was pretty funny

[Guest The Architect]

You really are a little attention whore aren't you. Look at me, I'm outrageous while pretending to be serious.

 

I am serious dip****, so why so touchy? Is your mother a bum or something?

[Kaftan Barlast]

As long as there are bridges, people will always have the option of easily available self-euthanasia. It wouldnt just be homeless people either, we could build handicap ramps that go over the railings and hand out pamphlets about bridges every time someone makes a purchase of antidepressants at the drugstore.

 

 

Modest Proposal, bitches.

 

What you did there, I saw it.

[Gorgon]

More grumpy than usual I suppose, apologies.

[Guest The Architect]

Yeah no problem.

[Volourn]

Horrible idea.

[Walsingham]

It depends, if you mean a comfortable transition by morphia, in a safe and supportive environment... I'd say no.

 

If you are suggesting they be chased screaming down the streets of a small old world Spanish town by regened velociraptors, or flung from a trebuchet into the Hudson river while holding sparklers, then I say yes.

The mental picture

 

oh oh....can the regened velociraptors be covered in feathers, have nose rings, and be genetically altered to have red lipstick lips

 

OK, I don't know what scares me more now: the velociraptors, or you.

[mkreku]

It depends, if you mean a comfortable transition by morphia, in a safe and supportive environment... I'd say no.

 

If you are suggesting they be chased screaming down the streets of a small old world Spanish town by regened velociraptors, or flung from a trebuchet into the Hudson river while holding sparklers, then I say yes.

The mental picture

 

oh oh....can the regened velociraptors be covered in feathers, have nose rings, and be genetically altered to have red lipstick lips

 

OK, I don't know what scares me more now: the velociraptors, or you.

Yeah, holy crap! Everyone knows that velociraptors need pink lipstick to bring out their eyes. Red?! What is wrong with you, man??

[BicycleOfDeath]

I'm all for it. If the person(s) that volunteer for the euthanasia are healthy enough, we could harvest their meat and feed the hungry. In that, more jobs would also be created. It would have to be a very carefully managed and governed project though. Remember, the holocaust started with castration of criminals, the disabled and eventually lead to varying euthanasia and you know how that story ended up.

[Gfted1]

It would have to be a very carefully managed and governed project though.

 

 

Paid for by "the rich" no doubt.

[BicycleOfDeath]

You know Taco Bell all ready supports this, right?

[Monte Carlo]

All I can say is that the standard of trolling here is heading downhill and needs to be improved.

 

This one struggles to get a D+ in my book.

[Blarghagh]

No personal attacks, if you don't like the topic, exit stage left.

 

I think the very impact of telling bums or homeless people or whoever "hey, you fall into the category where your life is so crap euthanasia is acceptable" is probably more terrible.

 

Apologies for the uselessness of my post, but I can't imagine this topic is anything other than extremely offensive trolling and I'd pretty much expected that a mod such as yourself would have deleted it by now despite the OP's claims that he or she is indeed "serious". Actually, I CAN imagine it's not trolling and I find that possibility far worse because it doesn't seem like the thing a balanced individual would say and I fear for the safety of those around an individual who actually means this. Implying someones life is so worthless they should think about killing themselves off seems to me to be not only a horrible thing to joke about (let alone seriously consider) but also dangerous towards those who may or may not have a very strong psyche or depression problems. This topic makes me feel like I'm being goatse'd rather than invited to a real discussion.

Edited February 9, 2011 by TrueNeutral

[BicycleOfDeath]

Why is the value on human life so high? If people that contribute nearly nothing, if anything, to the the world are voluntarily removed from the equation, how is that such a negative and offensive thing? It could even be saving one from a life of extreme poverty, depression, and perhaps even humiliation. It's on par with pulling the plug on persons in a vegetative state. They contribute nothing other than draining their friends and families emotions and finances. How can something like the OPs original post not help with the inevitable threat of over-population? There isn't much being done about it.

[Blarghagh]

First of all, who are you to say what's a valid contribution? I know "bums" who are more famous and a source of more friendship to people than you will ever be. One of the local bums used to be a famous guitarist before he had a breakdown and has grown to become part of our culture and identity - there are freaking postcards of the guy. Does this make your life worthless in comparison? Should a person be judged on their "contribution", like a machine? Does the fact you grew up in a way that let you develop yourself and that they were less lucky give you any more right to live than they do? If you base the value of a human life on how much you by extension of your society get better from it, well, I just find that extremely selfish. It's not up to us to judge the value of a human life - if you have a breakdown, would you want someone to help you when you're depressed and thinking about ending it, or would you want some fool who didn't think it through or has no empathy to offer you the ways and means?

 

Also, do you really think having a few homeless people commit euthanasia will solve overpopulation? Really?

Edited February 9, 2011 by TrueNeutral

[BicycleOfDeath]

I think it's a start. There's lots that can be done about over population. I think people's high horse of 'human life is too precious to put a price on' is complete crap. We're humans. That's it. Sure we have a brain and we're creative and we feel and think. But how does that mean that we can breed and voluntarily turn our heads to oblivion when regarding things like this that are just considered 'morally wrong.' Persons believing that nobody's life or death should be decided by others is nonsense. I'd would rather have in-stone convicted child molesters, rapists, serial murderers, unwanted fetuses put to death. Keep in mind this is entirely my opinion and I'm not at all saying 'feel this way or you're going to Auschwitz or Hell!'

 

To me, it makes sense to take steps, even if it's baby steps in regards to the threat of over population. The irony is is that I don't hold much value on human life but I care about the well being of the human races' future. *chuckles* I don't get that. I think having a stable human population is something the world would benefit from. A harmonous balance of farming grounds, commercial and residential properties, jobs, nature. Then again, perhaps I'd change my mind if I decided to look further into humans expanding their habitat to space stations and other planets.

 

But for right now I'd rather give the choice "Cake or Death?!"

[Blarghagh]

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think that on the practical side, you have a point, but on the ethical side I can't agree with it at all.

 

I'll have the cake please. Unless you're out, in which case I shall have the chicken.

[BicycleOfDeath]

I agree to disagree. You have a compelling debate as most people do. I'm not saying that I'm 100% in agreement with my posts (sometimes I like to pick people's brains for the hell of it). On a moral and ethical stand point, I'm in agreement with you, Mr. Neutral.

 

And since you're such a good sport you can have two pieces of cake ... and chicken, but in the reverse order.