The Vatican advocates for genetic engineering to feed the world's poor

[Thorton_AP]

Well, if they ended with the fall of Constantinople, then that statement is still true.

[TheHarlequin]

>If anything it saved far more knowledge than it buried in that time.

>If it wasn't for monks/priest studding/coping ancient texts literacy could well have been lost completely in Europe.

 

I agree. But only part of the story. The other aspect is they HORDED the 'lost' knowledge. Only those in the clergy were educated with the knowledge they saved. The reason being is because a ignorant population is easier to control then by those who are well read. As they question authority much more then those uneducated.

 

> No witch-hunts took place at the same time that Jews were expelled. That begun as part of enlightenment movement brought on with renaissance, they were also not directed by church and happened rarely in Spain.

 

Seems you are being a bit apologetic for the church. While most of the inquisition 'trials' (for show) and 'interrogations' (torture) were handed at the local level the church certainly helped add fuel to the fire indirectly just as they do today. They printed books on how to identify witches (aka pagans, herbal healers, lore keepers, midwives, etc) and certainly didn't step in to stop it when their local clergy took part or egged it on from a far. Just like today... Oh.. we didn't tell him to go shoot up that abortion clinic. Well just because we DO teach those doctors are evil and deserve to die to don't -really- mean it.. how were we supposed to know.. etc..

 

They have been playing that game for ages.

Edited December 2, 2010 by TheHarlequin

[Zoraptor]

While I think it is extremely important to understand the corruption and damage that the Catholic Church caused in the Middle Ages, I think it is also important to remember the Church was tied to nearly everything that was happening in Europe at the time. Copernicus was put through school by his Uncle, who was a bishop, and spent time as a Church canon. Theology was the bread and butter of most Universities at the time. It is really impossible to separate the Church from the Renaissance and the Scientific Revolution, it played a key role, for better or worse.

 

Interesting point. Wasn't Mendel a monk?

Interesting (?) fact: Mendel almost certainly cheated and fudged his results.

 

(Forgivable, as he was right. But his results were far too consistently good to be genuine experimental results)

[I want teh kotor 3]

Damn, I've been soundly rebuked. Oh well.

 

Note to self: don't post while on Nyquil.

[Arkan]

Let's not forget all the kid-touching priests.

[Gorth]

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=14171

"I do think a preliminary stoning would be warranted, just to get them to the repentant stage."

[TheHarlequin]

Let's not forget all the kid-touching priests.

 

If I said that be 5 posts claiming I am a Christan hater... LOL Glad to know you (and prob most others who bring these topics up) get a get out of jail free card.

[Hurlshort]

Let's not forget all the kid-touching priests.

 

If I said that be 5 posts claiming I am a Christan hater... LOL Glad to know you (and prob most others who bring these topics up) get a get out of jail free card.

 

That is because you would place the blame on the whole of Christendom, instead of where it belongs, upon the Catholic Church's leadership.

[Calax]

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=14171

"I do think a preliminary stoning would be warranted, just to get them to the repentant stage."

I got scared at the point where they said they'd gather up animals and toss em in a well to practice baptisms...

 

That said, the church also recently changed it's stance on condom use mainly over the Aids epidemic.

[pmp10]

The point isn't to defend the church but too notice that we have an unfortunate tendency to look for scapegoats, especially in past events.

This quickly leads to popularization of unbalanced views regarding history.

 

There is a lot of bad that can be said about the actions/policies in Christianity and catholic church in particular but relatively few people seem aware of all the advances they brought to western civilization.

[Gorgon]

Such as ?

[Gorgon]

The Catholic church is a conservative institution, you have to look outside it for innovation. Galileo, Martin Luther, all had to pay a high price for defying convention.

[pmp10]

Such as ?

You mean the pros?

For example take a look at the sentences we write.

No ancient roman would recognize such formed and well legible writing convention.

[TheHarlequin]

Let's not forget all the kid-touching priests.

 

If I said that be 5 posts claiming I am a Christan hater... LOL Glad to know you (and prob most others who bring these topics up) get a get out of jail free card.

 

That is because you would place the blame on the whole of Christendom, instead of where it belongs, upon the Catholic Church's leadership.

 

As I have implied and pointed fingers in past posts, I do blame the leadership.. clearly. Go back and read my posts.

[Humodour]

Anyway guys, please cease discussing paganism and religious history in this thread. It is designed for discussion of science, religion's roll in science, as well as genetic engineering and food security/scarcity in general.