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I see both sides of the argument, but the fact is that the games industry is freaking massive, can only get bigger and makes money for UK tax coffers greater than the initial tax-break.

 

Our overseas aid budget is ring-fenced, and all that gets spent on seems to be Mercedes for corrupt dictators. Go figure.

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Update: As reader ahill313 points out, Tiga, an industry group for games developers, and Activision were recently lobbying for tax breaks in the UK.

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Many people are saying that it could be some Japanese Megahouse... from what of I read in comments, the reasoning for that sounds pretty plausible as well...

 

My bet is on EA thought, but i might be blinded with hatred towards them :lol:

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I'd say it's Ubisoft. After all, they're stealing all the European talent and bring them to Montreal.

 

 

Probably, all the rest have lots of bussiness in the UK.

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"I know they just started up a BioWare Ireland."

 

Huh?

 

Anyways, sounds like these 'tax breaks' would give European developers unfair advantages so I don't blame whatever publisher wouild try to stop it ebcause it be unfair for them if it did. Don't people bash the US when they try to give unfair advantages to various industries? Didn't the EU actually sue the over stuff like this? L0L

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Apparently, that's a contact center for Bioware's MMO, not a development house.

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Apparently, that's a contact center for Bioware's MMO, not a development house.

 

 

That is true, but I don't know the details of the tax breaks for the development house and whatnot.

 

Regardless, Criterion Games (Need for Speed) is based out of the United Kingdom as well. EA would have to be getting one hell of an advantage in another way, if saving money on game development through taxes was not something that appealed to them.

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Governments need to save, so tax breaks seem a bit counterproductive right now. I think that decision came solely from some UK ministers, not teh evil usual suspect.

I agree. Britain is trying to avoid turning into Greece. Ideologically this government would be very happy to give tax breaks to a growing sector of industry, but the money's just not there right now.

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Apparently, that's a contact center for Bioware's MMO, not a development house.

 

 

That is true, but I don't know the details of the tax breaks for the development house and whatnot.

 

Regardless, Criterion Games (Need for Speed) is based out of the United Kingdom as well. EA would have to be getting one hell of an advantage in another way, if saving money on game development through taxes was not something that appealed to them.

 

EA have Criterion (who I just spent the night in the pub with, respect to Mr Sullivan considering his big speech at E3), and bright light who do the harry potter stuff. Despite this EA have alot of money invested in Canada, so I can see how tax breaks elsewhere may be a threat.

 

Ubisoft, I don't see why they would be against what they have been asking for.

 

Some folk may say there is no money to give the industry a tax break. I don't buy that personally its merely that the giv doesn't see the benefits that tax breaks would bring, regardless... If the the rumour is true its out of line, atleast as far as I can see, the UK dev indistry could grow into a much larger thing, given the help. Canadian countries have had this help and I think it shows in the quality of software the world sees from that place.

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How are tax breaks in the UK going to negatively affect their Canadian studios? Enough so to counteract the benefits tax breaks would definitely give them in the UK?

 

I know it's an easy target to just say "Oh this must be Activision or EA" but I'm skeptical that they would actively undermine the operating cost savings they would have without one heck of a valid reason.

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Looks like this is an intra-EU issue to me (distorting competition within the single market, which is in effect true). I have no idea why one of the big cross-atlantic publishers would react in this way, it makes no sense as they can and no just shut studios down or move them. Is there anyone of sufficiently large size left operating on the continent? What's the status with Infogrames/Atari?

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I do not want to dissapoint you, but Ireland is completely different country :rolleyes:

 

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6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours

7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours

8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC)

9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours

10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours

11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours

12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours

13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours

14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours

15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours

16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours

17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours

18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours

19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours

20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours

21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours

22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours

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sorry dude, but i am well know geography police in my surroundings :ermm: I just had to do it :lol:

 

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1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours

2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours

3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours

4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours

5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours

6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours

7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours

8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC)

9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours

10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours

11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours

12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours

13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours

14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours

15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours

16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours

17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours

18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours

19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours

20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours

21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours

22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours

23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours

24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours

25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours

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I see both sides of the argument, but the fact is that the games industry is freaking massive, can only get bigger and makes money for UK tax coffers greater than the initial tax-break.

 

Our overseas aid budget is ring-fenced, and all that gets spent on seems to be Mercedes for corrupt dictators. Go figure.

 

Basically we're looking to save cash. But as Monte points out, I don't see quangos getting slashed, or life support for corrupt ****wits getting axed either.

 

EDIT: Besides, I don't think a raw unvarnished tax break is necessarily what UK game studios need to be successful.

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I know pleanty of folks who are looking at Canada and going "I should probably go there, cheap, better pay etc..."

 

Yes, I've looked too.

 

This is directly related to how Canada is treating the industry. The UK is an extremely expensive place to develop a game in, this country hemorrhages talent like a hemophiliac does blood.

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