Orogun01 Posted May 7, 2010 Posted May 7, 2010 Sometimes all a film has to be categorized as sci fi is aesthetics. Children of Men has nothing to do with science, actually its a drama heavily infused with religious allegory - yet for the lack of a better label it gets dumped into sci fi. But it had other elements that made it more sci-fi. It was set in a dystopian future and it had strong fundamentalist human issues (which were in my opinion, the main villain of the movie). Wall-E is successful on many levels, I'd not dismiss it so easily. Success doesn't mean that is sci-fi, nor i'm I denying the qualities of the film Avatar is 100% pure commercial, no brains required, action adventure. Much the same as Terminator 2, Aliens or anything else Cameron makes. Regardless, its well made. I tried to balance the artistic, thoughtful side of sci fi cinema with the commercial "entertainment only" titles, even though I favor the former. If we were going to be strict about it only Moon and Sunshine would really be 100% sci fi. I think of "pure" science-fiction as having certain characteristic that are true since the beginning of the genre. A central scientific or pseudo-scientific Idea around which a story is weaved packed with themes that question existence, reality and the human condition. The Time machine is a perfect example of this. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Walsingham Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Why wouldn't Children of Men be sci-fi? It would be in the stricter sense that it's set in the future with higher technology than seen today. However, for me that's like saying that, for example, Annie Hall would be sci-fi if it was set in 2020s with a scene where a futuristic object makes an appearance. It's true, but it's also meaningless. So the whole dystopian 'everyones stopped having babies', and the consequences thereof thing doesn't strike you as categorically scifi? Because although I only saw Annie Hall about twenty years ago I don't remember there being future-shocked crazed mobs on dirt bikes with molotov ****tails. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Pidesco Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Future-shocked? They just seemed run of the mill violent extremists. As for everyone stopping having babies isn't sci-fi at all. In fact, it's done in such a way that the cause of the infertility isn't made, in any way, explicit. It's essentially treated as magic or as an act of God. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend.
Amentep Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 They don't know what caused the infertility, but to me the science fiction aspect is taking a possible scientific thing (biological infertility; there has been some press about modern males having less "capable" sperm and this is pretty much an extrapolation of those studies) and suppose what that does to society. In that sense its very much science fiction to my eyes. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Monte Carlo Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 If Children of Men isn't Sci-Fi, what is it? It's a great movie, genuinely disturbing.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 (edited) Dead Space. Wait, that's not a movie. Too bad, it's better sci-fi than most of the crap on Sci-fi Sy-fy channel. Edited May 8, 2010 by WILL THE ALMIGHTY "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Orogun01 Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Dead Space. Wait, that's not a movie. Too bad, it's better sci-fi than most of the crap on Sci-fi Sy-fy channel. Well, they do have two or three good series. Yeah they are crap, but they are the only crappy network that airs Merlin on this side of the Atlantic. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 The matrix was definite sci fi and delved rather heavily into philosophy as well. It belongs there. Maybe it would have been easier if it had been just one movie, as people eventually got tired of them - and of Keanu Reeves - myself included, but # 1 is certainly part of what defines sci fi for the 00's Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 And it's from 1999. Nevermind. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorth Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 28 days later was the only movie I knew from the top 10 list >_ I've probably only watched three other sci-fi movies that were made the last decade, Serenity, Supernova and Dark City. That is, maybe there are more. Will have to check the release dates on dreg like Alien: Resurrection, Matrix sequels etc. that my memory is trying actively to suppress. It seems like the tv series have been more memorable, oddly enough. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Dark city is from 1999 as well. You mean the one where Kiefer Sutherland discovers the truth about the strange city he lives in ?. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorth Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Dark city is from 1999 as well. You mean the one where Kiefer Sutherland discovers the truth about the strange city he lives in ?. Yes. 1999? Damn, time flies >_ Well, maybe it seems more fresh in my memory because it is less than a year ago I bought the Blu-Ray version (it was dirt cheap) “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Yes I was feeling rather long in the tooth as well as I was trying to recall the movies I had liked. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
RPGmasterBoo Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 Lemme jog your memory: IMDB tells us that there have been no less than 298 Sci Fi films in the last decade. Here they are: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sc...le_type=feature I've seen a hundred of those, or so IMDB says. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Gorth Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Lemme jog your memory: IMDB tells us that there have been no less than 298 Sci Fi films in the last decade. Here they are: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sc...le_type=feature I've seen a hundred of those, or so IMDB says. Your only redemption for reminding me of Star Wars episode III (which I until now had successfully forgotten) was that the list also reminded me of Planet Terror Edit: I guess I can add T3, Underworld and The Island to the list. Those weren't too bad. Monsters vs. Aliens is probably one of those I would like to forget, but sometimes you have to take what you can get on flight entertainment (or watch the 17th rerun of something) “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
RPGmasterBoo Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 Lemme jog your memory: IMDB tells us that there have been no less than 298 Sci Fi films in the last decade. Here they are: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sc...le_type=feature I've seen a hundred of those, or so IMDB says. Your only redemption for reminding me of Star Wars episode III (which I until now had successfully forgotten) was that the list also reminded me of Planet Terror I watched the first 3 episodes again, just to confirm they were the utter garbage I remember. I confirmed it. Planet Terror was sweet. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 (edited) So Donny Darko is sci fi. By that definition almost any movie would count. Also, Iron man ?. Lets stick that under superhero. Edited May 8, 2010 by Gorgon Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorth Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Now that my memory seems to be on a roll, Battle Royale (Batoru rowaiaru) was, if nothing else, something different for my "western perspective" “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
RPGmasterBoo Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 So Donny Darko is sci fi. By that definition almost any movie would count. Donny Darko is hard to categorize. Since a large part of its fractured story deals with parallel universes, where else would you put it? Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Hey V for Vendetta, that was a rather good adaptation. I forgot about that one. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 It seems like the popular definition of sci fi is very wide, there is a lot on that list that most people would simply never think of when asked to name sci fi movies. For instance, is Watchmen sci fi. Definately. Transformers, It's an action movie with robots, nothing even resembling social comment. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Gorgon Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 So Donny Darko is sci fi. By that definition almost any movie would count. Donny Darko is hard to categorize. Since a large part of its fractured story deals with parallel universes, where else would you put it? I dunno, but technology does not play a factor, neither does 'the future'. I would say it's a movie about the inside of Donny Darko's head. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
mr insomniac Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Lemme jog your memory: IMDB tells us that there have been no less than 298 Sci Fi films in the last decade. Here they are: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sc...le_type=feature I've seen a hundred of those, or so IMDB says. That list is flawed. How the heck does The Tuxedo - a jackie chan kungfu spy comedy - qualify as sci-fi? I took this job because I thought you were just a legend. Just a story. A story to scare little kids. But you're the real deal. The demon who dares to challenge God. So what the hell do you want? Don't seem to me like you're out to make this stinkin' world a better place. Why you gotta kill all my men? Why you gotta kill me? Nothing personal. It's just revenge.
Walsingham Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 They don't know what caused the infertility, but to me the science fiction aspect is taking a possible scientific thing (biological infertility; there has been some press about modern males having less "capable" sperm and this is pretty much an extrapolation of those studies) and suppose what that does to society. In that sense its very much science fiction to my eyes. That's really what I was driving at. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Meshugger Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Wow, i have pretty much missed all sci-fi movies for the last 15 years or so, yikes! "Moon" is the only thing that intruiges me a bit to watch for now, and just maybe "Children of Men". There is only three sci-fi movies that i would claim to be fantastic though: 1. 2001: A Space Odyssey 2. Blade Runner 3. Ghost in the Shell Alien/Terminator? Good. Serenity? Fun. District 9? do not care. What i do not understand though is the hate against Ghost in the Shell. Did you guys which the english dub? if so, kill yourselves already. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
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