Rosbjerg Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 dammit.. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aries101 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 [T]he Norwegian consumer agency has begun investigating the DRM and there is a possibility that requiring an internet connection in case of single player games may not be legal under Norwegian law. They did post an article on the matter. Wow, those Norwegians think of everything don't they? The Scene: The Norwegian High Court "Hey, Thorvald, are you done writing up those legal statues yet?" "No, Knut, I'm still considering the jurisprudence concerning the viability of single-player computer games vis-a-vis persistent internet connections." "Coolio, it's all about detail." --- Here is a link to the article: http://www.vg.no/spill/artikkel.php?artid=579754 As I said, I don't speak any Norwegian, so I cannot verify it. The link was posted by Kalah, the Norwegian administrator of the Heroes of Might and Magic fansite called Celestial Heavens: www.celestialheavens.com Perhaps somebody here speaks Norwegian and can fill us in about the details of the article and whether Kalah interpreted it correctly? I don't speak Norwegian, but I can read it - as all Danes can (or should be able to). So here's a very short summary: summary And yes, the article from VG linked above basically says that pc-players are furious over copy-protection(drm) in Ubisoft's games - especially for single player games. And the article also tells that the Norwegian Consumer Agency is looking into the matter since 'they are aware that some games requires an internet connection to play even if it is an online game'. The Consumer Agency in Norway will have games on their fall agenda, especially in relations to personal data-protection, drm and other consumer-asked question. Then the article quotes two-three gamers from Ubisofts forums. One Ubisoft forumnite points out that not everyone has an internet connection and that it could those that did (illegally) copy the game that gets the best experience. At the end, the article mentions the troubles with pc games and the illegal copying of pc games. And it also mentions the failure that was Spore... /end summary Personally, I would like to add that it feels like the publishing houses are out to get rid of pc gaming all together... Please support http://www.maternityworldwide.org/ - and save a mother giving birth to a child. Please support, Andrew Bub, the gamerdad - at http://gamingwithchildren.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 Personally, I would like to add that it feels like the publishing houses are out to get rid of pc gaming all together... And companies like Valve are there to rape them all over with a wildly successful monopoly if they try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/...With-Free-Games Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BicycleOfDeath Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 EA has followed suit. [Link: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/comm..._giving_ea_fits ] Stand Your Convictions and You Will Walk Alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Lajciak Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another Ubisoft game with the DDRM has been released. It is called Settlers 7. The servers appear to be malfunctioning again and there is no Ubisoft response: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6.../4821038448/p/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 /nelson Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another Ubisoft game with the DDRM has been released. It is called Settlers 7. The servers appear to be malfunctioning again and there is no Ubisoft response: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6.../4821038448/p/1 Hahahahahahahahahaaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another Ubisoft game with the DDRM has been released. It is called Settlers 7. The servers appear to be malfunctioning again and there is no Ubisoft response: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6.../4821038448/p/1 So strange, never imagined something like this would happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 GO UBI GO!!! This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another Ubisoft game with the DDRM has been released. It is called Settlers 7. The servers appear to be malfunctioning again and there is no Ubisoft response: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6.../4821038448/p/1 I must confess this is more entertaining than any Ubisoft game released in years. If they go bankrupt over this (fat chance of that though) I'll be popping the champagne. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) It's Settlers, I'm surprised that anyone noticed. Edited March 28, 2010 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 FAIL. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Lajciak Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I still cannot find any sales data for Assassin's Creed II or the other games from the new DDRM crop. The only thing I have found that might be remotely indicative is a chart of players on Steam: View Steam players per game Top 75 games by current player count Current Players Peak Today Game 53,238 96,304 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer 53,172 91,866 Counter-Strike: Source 43,428 76,097 Counter-Strike 17,568 23,976 Team Fortress 2 16,748 23,401 Football Manager 2010 16,059 21,979 Battlefield: Bad Company 2 11,604 17,565 Left 4 Dead 2 6,491 10,692 Empire: Total War 5,600 9,937 Napoleon: Total War 5,546 7,618 Garry's Mod 5,241 9,080 Condition Zero 4,595 10,551 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 4,272 6,239 Torchlight 4,255 6,463 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II - Chaos Rising 3,598 5,261 Left 4 Dead 3,491 6,166 Day of Defeat: Source 3,457 5,059 Football Manager 2009 3,252 5,130 R.U.S.E. Beta 2,696 4,330 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II 2,460 3,737 Dragon Age: Origins 2,227 3,441 Just Cause 2 2,138 3,535 Supreme Commander 2 1,373 2,509 Half-Life 2: Deathmatch 1,371 1,942 Killing Floor 1,258 2,077 Half-Life 2 1,151 3,437 Metro 2033 1,089 1,618 Day of Defeat 927 1,342 Mass Effect 2 893 1,217 Grand Theft Auto IV 881 2,010 Aliens vs Predator 858 1,380 Borderlands 801 1,047 Global Agenda Live 759 1,165 Star Trek Online 712 731 Mount&Blade: Warband 688 935 Plants vs. Zombies 658 924 America's Army 3 637 899 Portal 548 864 Assassin's Creed II 538 898 The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom 524 813 Mass Effect 505 723 Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword 498 715 Mount and Blade 488 645 Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor 449 771 TrackMania Nations Forever 440 628 Zombie Panic! Source 416 645 Half-Life 2: Episode Two 389 887 RACE 07 381 499 EVE Online 376 897 Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 371 552 Rome: Total War - Gold Edition 359 557 Company of Heroes 350 451 Titan Quest: Immortal Throne 334 607 Saints Row 2 327 499 Insurgency: Modern Infantry Combat 311 509 Half-Life 2: Episode One 300 434 Half-Life 299 410 S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat 287 385 Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts 276 443 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - Game of the Year Edition 272 374 Global Agenda - Demo 271 378 Medieval II: Total War 261 433 Pirates, Vikings, and Knights II 243 306 Team Fortress Classic 232 323 Audiosurf 225 338 League of Legends 224 351 Sid Meier's Civilization IV 221 416 Batman: Arkham Asylum 220 352 DiRT 2 219 295 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 219 285 Battlefield 2 214 361 Command and Conquer 4: Tiberium Twilight 213 308 Defense Grid: The Awakening 208 268 EVE Online Demo 207 367 RailWorks 200 414 F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin The table is from about 6pm EST 29 March 2010. The bolding in the table is mine - I bolded both Ubisoft games with this DDRM - Assassin's Creed II and Settler's 7. Another Ubisoft game with the DDRM is Silent Hunter 5, but it does not appear in the top 75 games played today. I have also bolded Command and Conquer 4, which is a DDRM game by EA also requiring an always online connection. I would say the numbers are rather unspectacular, given that Assassin's Creed 2 was released about 3 weeks ago, Settler's 7 was released 6 days ago in North America and 3 days ago in Europe. Silent Hunter 5, I believe, was released about 1 month ago. EA's Command & Conquer 4 was released on 16 March 2010, so just under two weeks ago. However, this is only an indication that sales might not be stellar for a game release of that magnitude - it does not act as a confirmation by any stretch. For that we will have to wait for some sales numbers and those can be hard to come by (and can be interpreted in different ways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 when we use some statistical guessing MW sold 5M+ copies (but every single copy has to be connected to Steam to play) 53,238 96,304 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer 548 864 Assassin's Creed II 538 898 The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom that could theoretically mean that both game sold about 45000 copies on Steam... But not every game has to be connected to Steam... so my non-educated-out-of-ass-pulled guess might be 150K-200K games sold in total for each title... if that is enough sales to justify the cost of maintenance and customer support for the DRM servers i have no clue... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 What's DDRM, digital digital rights management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Draconian DRM. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) As opposed to the normal puppies and rainbows kind? Stop inventing new, unnecessary and ambiguously defined abbreviations! Edited March 30, 2010 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Isn't Ubisoft always complaining how the PC market has declined and that there isn't a point releasing PC games anymore? Why do they even bother? Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Lajciak Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 As opposed to the normal puppies and rainbows kind? Actually, pretty much yes! It is meant to leave out DRM such as serial keys or disc checks. Isn't Ubisoft always complaining how the PC market has declined and that there isn't a point releasing PC games anymore? Why do they even bother? The PC market is larger than it ever was if we ignore the decline due to the recession. It's just that the console market has grown (again, ignoring the recession) much faster than the PC one and is much bigger still. Also, games cost more to produce these days than in the past, so the investment requires a larger market to support. Hence, the PC market has declined in relative terms. However, I think a revival in the relative importance of the PC market may be in the offing. Both Intel and AMD are beginning to integrate GPUs on their processors, which in the space of a few years promises to greatly expand the base of computers capable of relatively advanced graphics that games require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 As opposed to the normal puppies and rainbows kind? Stop inventing new, unnecessary and ambiguously defined abbreviations! Yes, indeed! Thats the job of the US Federal Government! "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 New errors popping up: many Australians are unable to connect to any servers to play their single player game: http://www.fragland.net/news/Ubisofts-DRM-...d-victim/22874/ Ubisoft says they're "getting to the bottom of it". The bottom of it? I can tell you what it is: many Australians have ****ty, slow internet connections you corporate arseholes, and that's not something you can fix without getting rid of your ****ed up DRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 As opposed to the normal puppies and rainbows kind? Stop inventing new, unnecessary and ambiguously defined abbreviations! I dunno, man. Surely our argument has to be that managing the publishers rights can be done in other ways than DDRM? If not, then we're basically saying they should quit making games. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 New errors popping up: many Australians are unable to connect to any servers to play their single player game: http://www.fragland.net/news/Ubisofts-DRM-...d-victim/22874/ Ubisoft says they're "getting to the bottom of it". The bottom of it? I can tell you what it is: many Australians have ****ty, slow internet connections you corporate arseholes, and that's not something you can fix without getting rid of your ****ed up DRM. +1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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