Bioware/Bethesda appreciation thread

[Morgoth]

Obz, Bio and Beth are all dead meat to me... I do not enjoy any of their newer games...

But certainly you're gonna give AP a try? It's their first "real" game. No sequel, but their thing.

[Llyranor]

Not enough animu with big eyes and no nose.

[ramza]

Obz, Bio and Beth are all dead meat to me... I do not enjoy any of their newer games...

But certainly you're gonna give AP a try? It's their first "real" game. No sequel, but their thing.

 

Nope, I find both the setting and the gameplay to be appalling...

I am not looking for pseudo-rpgs, yet it seems this is what the market offers these days... I am pretty disappointed with the way the rpg market has become. All I am looking for is to get a similar experience as in the IE games... To this date, among the most recent games, only NWN2 provided me this. I may give a try at Dragon Age but it will probably be the last Bio game I will be playing as the company is merely a shadow of its past glorious self.

[Purkake]

Obz, Bio and Beth are all dead meat to me... I do not enjoy any of their newer games...

But certainly you're gonna give AP a try? It's their first "real" game. No sequel, but their thing.

 

Nope, I find both the setting and the gameplay to be appalling...

I am not looking for pseudo-rpgs, yet it seems this is what the market offers these days... I am pretty disappointed with the way the rpg market has become. All I am looking for is to get a similar experience as in the IE games... To this date, among the most recent games, only NWN2 provided me this. I may give a try at Dragon Age but it will probably be the last Bio game I will be playing as the company is merely a shadow of its past glorious self.

 

I guess sitting in a corner, crying and cutting yourself while listening to Linkin Park is way more fun.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Purkake

[Morgoth]

Oh my. Too many people still holding a grip in the past.

[ramza]

Obz, Bio and Beth are all dead meat to me... I do not enjoy any of their newer games...

But certainly you're gonna give AP a try? It's their first "real" game. No sequel, but their thing.

 

Nope, I find both the setting and the gameplay to be appalling...

I am not looking for pseudo-rpgs, yet it seems this is what the market offers these days... I am pretty disappointed with the way the rpg market has become. All I am looking for is to get a similar experience as in the IE games... To this date, among the most recent games, only NWN2 provided me this. I may give a try at Dragon Age but it will probably be the last Bio game I will be playing as the company is merely a shadow of its past glorious self.

 

I guess sitting in a corner, crying and cutting yourself while listening to Linkin Park is way more fun.

 

I have simply moved on from playing to RPGs to playing other games like Total War or adventure games. The RPG era has reached the end for me. There's simply no game that has managed to grasp my attention. I may try Mass effect trilogy when they release a triple combo pack in a few years but that's it. Moreover, don't count on me buying the next d&d game if it uses the dreaded 4E rules.

[Purkake]

You make it sound so tragic.

 

You can play TW games, adventure games and RPGs. Playing all of them is pretty sweet.

[ramza]

I not making anything tragic. I just don't like today's rpgs. You cannot deny that there has been a steady decline after 2000...

[Purkake]

Maybe your expectations are too high?

[Hurlshort]

I not making anything tragic. I just don't like today's rpgs. You cannot deny that there has been a steady decline after 2000...

 

I can deny that.

 

There you go, I just did.

[Maria Caliban]

You cannot deny that there has been a steady decline after 2000...

 

He might not be able to, but I can.

[Purkake]

If we deny him three times, will he explode in a puff of smoke?

 

 

I'd say it's arguable

 

[RPGmasterBoo]

Actually there has, judging from my list. bear in mind it was never a large genre in the first place, but roughly its shrunk by at least 30%. That's speaking in terms of quantity of games released. In terms of quality it hasn't declined - its plummeted.

 

(counting full games only)

1998 - 5

1999 - 7

2000 - 14

2001 - 7

2002 - 11

2003 - 5

2004 - 9

2005 - 11

2006 - 6

2007 - 8

2008 - 7

2009 - 2 so far

 

Actually I take back what i said, in terms of quantity it has a rythm of sorts, a spike every few years, except for the last few.

 

Edit: it is deceptive though, all 2005 games are complete rubbish except for the Gothic Ii expansion as are the 2002 games (NWN and Morrowind are the highlights of that year... yay)

Edited August 26, 2009 by RPGmasterBoo

[Aristes]

At least you appreciate being able to come here and rant about the experience? Right? Good ol' Ramza. I feel the same way about text adventures. Gone completely downhill over the past several years.

[Purkake]

At least you appreciate being able to come here and rant about the experience? Right? Good ol' Ramza. I feel the same way about text adventures. Gone completely downhill over the past several years.

 

There was a website which collected all kinds of indie text adventures and some of them were supposedly pretty awesome.

[HoonDing]

If there's any game genre that hasn't declined, it's the chess software. Even grandmasters get their asses handed to them by computers nowadays. Programs like Fritz are so advanced that they even come with their own 'taunt' function when you make crap moves.

[Purkake]

If there's any game genre that hasn't declined, it's the chess software. Even grandmasters get their asses handed to them by computers nowadays. Programs like Fritz are so advanced that they even come with their own 'taunt' function when you make crap moves.

 

They might just as well give up on chess.

 

The next big thing is GO, which has so many possible combinations that it won't be solved for a while now.

[alanschu]

They'll keep going on chess because it hasn't been solved yet (and likely won't be for a long long long time).

 

 

Go just makes AI's implode.

[mkreku]

"Mind you, that's a man that considers NWN series "the best ever". "

 

K. Must explain why I rated NWN OC 75%, called SOU overrated, and HOTU as good but far from 'best ever'. Why do people feel the need to lie, and make up fairy tales?

Your sig...

That's hilarious. Yeah, people lie and make up fairy tales! It's so bad you can't even trust your own signature!!

 

Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it.

[RPGmasterBoo]

"Mind you, that's a man that considers NWN series "the best ever". "

 

K. Must explain why I rated NWN OC 75%, called SOU overrated, and HOTU as good but far from 'best ever'. Why do people feel the need to lie, and make up fairy tales?

Your sig...

That's hilarious. Yeah, people lie and make up fairy tales! It's so bad you can't even trust your own signature!!

 

Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

He did get me there. I was at a loss for what to say.

[CoM_Solaufein]

Bioware/Bethesda appreciation thread, Let's think positive.

 

Want to rant go start a rant thread provided its kept civil.

[Volourn]

"That's hilarious. Yeah, people lie and make up fairy tales! It's so bad you can't even trust your own signature!!

 

Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it."

 

Still crying?

 

Think the NWN series is 'the best' does not neccessarily mean you think it has the 'best writing' and since we're disucssing writing, and writing was the issue. Plus, the NWN series wasn't just made by BIO. It includes the Obsidian developed NWN2 so all this proves is I like BIO, and Obsidian both. *shrug*

 

Use. your. brain. crybaby.

 

And, oh. As for 'dumb', it takes one to know one. L0L0L0L0LLIGAG!

[ramza]

Even though say that NWN1 was crap, my overall experience with it was quite enjoyable. The OC and both expansions (which were ok), the fan-made modules (which gave a whole new dimension to the game) and the online gaming (persistent worlds mainly) kept me busy for hundreds of hours and plenty of years which is something no game has achieved so far.

 

Moreover, the fact that you controlled only one character was the little thing that brought the game closer to the p&p experience. NWN2 was nice with its little parties of 4-6 characters but I admit that I grew tired of all the micro-management. NWN1 was more satisfying on this issue.

 

Just as the Codex says, developers these days just talk about "dark, mature and gritty" games and "new-generation" gameplay. This is nonsense. The old recipes worked just fine and would not have alienated the core fanbase (which I am part of).

 

If Obz decided to produce BG3 or TBH, I would be supporting them 100%, but their most recent projects are simply bleh... Same goes for the other companies...

[Pidesco]

Moreover, the fact that you controlled only one character was the little thing that brought the game closer to the p&p experience.

 

It was also the huge thing that turned NWN single player into a horribly boring experience.

[ramza]

Moreover, the fact that you controlled only one character was the little thing that brought the game closer to the p&p experience.

 

It was also the huge thing that turned NWN single player into a horribly boring experience.

 

If the henchmen were better done, this wouldn't have been a problem. You should have been able to control them just like in NWN2 but without being able to control their level up choices.