Tagaziel Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I'd like to see Avellone's concept (two adventuring parties) come into play, I hate the "stereotypical bad guy wants to conquer the world" plot. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjc Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Playable char. races are human, mutant, ghoul, centaur, floater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoM_Solaufein Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Bloat fly. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is StrengthBaldur's Gate moddingTeamBGBaldur's Gate modder/community leaderBaldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition beta testerBaldur's Gate 2 - Enhanced Edition beta tester Icewind Dale - Enhanced Edition beta tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Eye Bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Radroach, with Way of the Fruit and Bonzai perks. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Tree-ghoul-man thing. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Di Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 I heard there was another Fallout game and Obs was doing it. All I have to say is don't screw it up. Don't get rushed into doing it like you guys did with Kotor2 and don't bore the fans like you did with NWN2. NWN2 didn't bore me. I really loved that game. Apparently I'm the only one on the planet who did, but I'm still enjoying it to this day. MOTB, not so much. Two play-throughs and I was done with it. Too annoying and aggravating for my tastes. I never even bothered with SOZ. Actually after reading this forum, it seems like the majority of posters here don't much like anything that's been released in the past decade. Maybe my sights are set too low, but I've played a lot of games in the past years that I have really enjoyed. NWN 2 is high on that list. Don't go dissin' my buds, Neeska, Khelgar, Sand... I mean, what's not to love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Opus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 NWN2 didn't bore me. I really loved that game. Apparently I'm the only one on the planet who did, but I'm still enjoying it to this day. MOTB, not so much. Two play-throughs and I was done with it. Too annoying and aggravating for my tastes. I never even bothered with SOZ. Not quite the only one on the planet. I much preferred the more open style of NWN2's OC to the One Area-One Plot-Point method of MotB. If it weren't for the fact that the game as a whole chugs quite a bit, and that the camera has a way of driving me nuts, I'd still be playing the OC. Have given it a few retries when the mood strikes, but those technical issues keep driving me back, now that I already know how it turns out. MotB, though... once is enough for that style of game. Am having more fun with SoZ than with MotB, but those technical issues are still a bit of a hurdle. And just because this isn't a NWN2 thread... Haven't tried FO3 yet. Not sure if I will, either. Bethesda seems to be gettin' a little too shootery for my tastes. News that Obs is doing some work on it has kinda rekindled my interest, though. Maybe when the price drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I hope Tibbets Facility is at least referenced in New Vegas or makes an appearance in a future Fallout game with little/no chances to it's original conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausir Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I wouldn't count on Tibbets, but I hope Hoover Dam, Caesar's Legion, Daughters of Hecate, Maxson Bunker, Reservation, Denver etc. get a mention. Pillars of Eternity Wiki * The Vault - Fallout Wiki * Wasteland 2 Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 NWN2 didn't bore me. I really loved that game. Apparently I'm the only one on the planet who did, but I'm still enjoying it to this day. MOTB, not so much. Two play-throughs and I was done with it. Too annoying and aggravating for my tastes. I never even bothered with SOZ. No your not, I enjoyed both NWN2 and MOTB, but enjoyed MOTB more, best evil path done in a game. SOZ not so much, which seems quite well recieved by the people on this board. Actually after reading this forum, it seems like the majority of posters here don't much like anything that's been released in the past decade. Maybe my sights are set too low, but I've played a lot of games in the past years that I have really enjoyed. NWN 2 is high on that list. No they just don't like anything done by Bio since BG and apparently Bethesda is a dirty word. Don't go dissin' my buds, Neeska, Khelgar, Sand... I mean, what's not to love? Or Bishop, he was a great character. Haven't tried FO3 yet. Not sure if I will, either. Bethesda seems to be gettin' a little too shootery for my tastes. News that Obs is doing some work on it has kinda rekindled my interest, though. Maybe when the price drops. FO3 wasn't half as bad as folks made out, just wasn't as good as the originals. But was a big improvement over Oblivion. Personally I think most FO purists will dislike FO:NV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Personally I think most FO purists will dislike FO:NV. Given that it's done by some of the original developers (before you ask, yes, J.E. Sawyer counts as a developer, since he worked on Van Buren) and Obsidian has a track record of awesome, deep games, I'll ban every self proclaimed "purist" everywhere I have the power to do so, because they are too stupid to exist. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Given that it's done by some of the original developers (before you ask, yes, J.E. Sawyer counts as a developer, since he worked on Van Buren) and Obsidian has a track record of awesome, deep games, You won't get any argument from me. But I tend to never view anything as set in stone. I'll ban every self proclaimed "purist" everywhere I have the power to do so, because they are too stupid to exist. You better get that hammer out. Because it ain't going to be turn based, isometric etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 You better get that hammer out. Because it ain't going to be turn based, isometric etc. We got over that a long time ago. Classic gameplay is not coming back, fine. What we cannot forgive nor forget is the total abandonment of great storylines, dialogue, a plausible world and that feeling of immersion. I've been thinking and came to the conclusion that Bethesda simply failed to understand Fallout. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) We got over that a long time ago. Classic gameplay is not coming back, fine. What we cannot forgive nor forget is the total abandonment of great storylines, dialogue, a plausible world and that feeling of immersion. I didn't feel the world wasn't plausible and I found some parts of it immersive, the story wasn't that bad. However the dialogue was poor when compared to a Bio/Obs game(much better then Oblivions though) and you left out the biggest failure of FO3, NPCs. Not one was memorable and you were lucky if you had more then 2 interactions with the same person, calling them shallow is an understatement. I've been thinking and came to the conclusion that Bethesda simply failed to understand Fallout. No, they just gave their vision of it. We just happened to enjoy BIS vision more. Edited July 11, 2009 by Bos_hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) No, they just gave their vision of it. We just happened to enjoy BIS vision more. what kind of bass-ackwards comment is this? your sentiment is endearing in a cutesy "let's all be friends, lol!" sort of way, but it's philosophically and logically mistaken. there is only one proper "vision" for Fallout: the original vision. BIS created Fallout. anything else...let me repeat...ANYTHING else is simply an interpretation of this "vision"-proper. as Mikael said, Bethesda did not get Fallout. their interpretation was misdirected and wrong. Edited July 11, 2009 by TwinkieGorilla hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfield Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 No, they just gave their vision of it. We just happened to enjoy BIS vision more. what kind of bass-ackwards comment is this? your sentiment is endearing in a cutesy "let's all be friends, lol!" sort of way, but it's philosophically and logically mistaken. there is only one proper "vision" for Fallout: the original vision. BIS created Fallout. anything else...let me repeat...ANYTHING else is simply an interpretation of this "vision"-proper. as Mikael said, Bethesda did not get Fallout. their interpretation was misdirected and wrong. Wow. There's nothing wrong with what Bos_hybrid said. You need to stop taking this stuff so damn seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 You need to stop taking this stuff so damn seriously. and you need to go cry in a corner somewhere. don't worry about me, friend. hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I didn't feel the world wasn't plausible Ugh. The world's an amusement park, not a living space. Tell me, where do the settlements get basic necessities, like food and water (except for Rivet City, which has a farm)? How come the Raiders outnumber regular humans 100:1? Why 200 years after the war nobody bothered to salvage the local shop? etc. and I found some parts of it immersive, the story wasn't that bad. The story wasn't bad if you're not paying attention to it. No, they just gave their vision of it. We just happened to enjoy BIS vision more. Problem is, their "vision" is composed of plot devices borrowed from previous games hammered into a gaming space made from a scaled down geomap and elements from various post-apocalyptic movies transplanted into the game verbatim. HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreasyDogMeat Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hah, I'd say Bethesda 'got' Fallout more so than the devs of Fallout 2, Tactics & especially BoS. At the end of the day, I have FUN playing Fallout 3, despite its flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hah, I'd say Bethesda 'got' Fallout more so than the devs of Fallout 2, Tactics & especially BoS. At the end of the day, I have FUN playing Fallout 3, despite its flaws. It's a fun post apocalyptic game, hell I had more fun with it than STALKER with Oblivion lost mod. But as a Fallout game it falls miles short of BIS design/writing, which is surprising especially coming from the guy who did the thief games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreasyDogMeat Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Fallout 3 was kind of up and down as far as writing was concerned. Good writing here, real stinkers there. It had me rolling my eyes in a few spots, but I've experienced worse with some other recent CRPG games. I kind of feel Twinkie/Grizzly's pain as I know what its like to see a franchise taken in a direction that you completely disagree with. I hate whats become of the CoD franchse after the excellent CoD 1 + expansion. Regening health, what the **** were they thinking!? In that situation though, it was the original makers of the game who decided to ruin their own franchise. I've felt for quite some time that if there was one rpg game that would make an excellent RPG from the FPS viewpoint it would be Fallout. Also, ruin isn't exactly the right word. It may be ruined for me, but its selling far better than the original game ever did, which I also believe is the situation with Fallout 3. Edited July 11, 2009 by GreasyDogMeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Hah, I'd say Bethesda 'got' Fallout more so than the devs of Fallout 2, Tactics & especially BoS. At the end of the day, I have FUN playing Fallout 3, despite its flaws. yeah well if the devs of FO2 "didn't get" Fallout then i wish Bethesda "didn't get" Fallout. problem is that Bethesda were after a different audience and took only the wrapping of Fallout and used it to make another TES game. while FO2 might feel more like "Fallout: Wacky Style!" the reality is that FO3 feels more like "Oblivian: Fallout Style!" Edited July 11, 2009 by TwinkieGorilla hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreasyDogMeat Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'll take Oblivion Fallout style ANY day over Fallout Wacky style. I honestly can't blame Beth if they were going after a 'different audience'. Times have changed, RPGs have changed. How many RPGs do you see anymore with as much depth as the classics? Just look at how much Bioware has been dumbing their RPGs down with each release. Jade Empire & Mass Effect feel more like Diablo with a bit more dialogue. Hell, Diablo II has about 10x more character customization than Jade Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkieGorilla Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'll take Oblivion Fallout style ANY day over Fallout Wacky style. I honestly can't blame Beth if they were going after a 'different audience'. Times have changed, RPGs have changed. How many RPGs do you see anymore with as much depth as the classics? Just look at how much Bioware has been dumbing their RPGs down with each release. Jade Empire & Mass Effect feel more like Diablo with a bit more dialogue. Hell, Diablo II has about 10x more character customization than Jade Empire. hey, you'll never find me defending Bioware, that's for sure. secondly, yes...obviously you would take "Oblivion: Fallout Style" over "Fallout: Wacky Style" but the fact remains one of them is Fallout and the other is Fallout-style. i think Fallout 3 suffers because the developers and writers there have different personalities. different sense of humor, drama and imo...a very immense lack of creativity. they are emulating the personalities of the original developers and they're coming up short. look, making an NPC curse every few words doesn't make it "adult themed" and it doesn't make it interesting. it just makes a bright flashing light that says "we're constantly attempting to make up for the impotent writing with KABOOM!!!" at the end of the day, compared to the spirit, originality and writing of the originals...it's an embarrassment and that's all it is. hopw roewur ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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