DRM Thread

[neckthrough]

Obviously there is a balance to be found here, just as there is a balance between security and access generally.

Yes, and the problem is that the definition of an "ideal" balance point is subjective. Many of us feel that the balance point content producers have found is tilted in a decidedly anti-consumer direction.

[Kjarista]

Obviously there is a balance to be found here, just as there is a balance between security and access generally.

Yes, and the problem is that the definition of an "ideal" balance point is subjective. Many of us feel that the balance point content producers have found is tilted in a decidedly anti-consumer direction.

 

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

[Mamoulian War]

Obviously there is a balance to be found here, just as there is a balance between security and access generally.

Yes, and the problem is that the definition of an "ideal" balance point is subjective. Many of us feel that the balance point content producers have found is tilted in a decidedly anti-consumer direction.

 

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

If you purchase 50EUR/USD good, and it does not work, because DRM conflict with your system, and you cannot even return the good, you are losing your money aswell...

[Sannom]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

[Morgoth]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

[Mamoulian War]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

 

But it's the same like saying, i just bought a car and because i never had issue with it, you guys who have to go into service with it must just be full of fail...

[Morgoth]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

 

But it's the same like saying, i just bought a car and because i never had issue with it, you guys who have to go into service with it must just be full of fail...

Bollocks. If the game has issues, there will be a patch released, or new drivers, or whatever. That's also service. I've yet to understand why DRM would cause a failure to run the game.

[Mamoulian War]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

 

But it's the same like saying, i just bought a car and because i never had issue with it, you guys who have to go into service with it must just be full of fail...

Bollocks. If the game has issues, there will be a patch released, or new drivers, or whatever. That's also service. I've yet to understand why DRM would cause a failure to run the game.

 

you'll see when you upgrade to Win 7

[Morgoth]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

 

But it's the same like saying, i just bought a car and because i never had issue with it, you guys who have to go into service with it must just be full of fail...

Bollocks. If the game has issues, there will be a patch released, or new drivers, or whatever. That's also service. I've yet to understand why DRM would cause a failure to run the game.

 

you'll see when you upgrade to Win 7

Which I won't for a year or two. Until then, all known issues will be a thing of the past then.

[Mamoulian War]

Obviously, because we are consumers. If that was our money being lost, or potentially being lost, we may feel otherwise.

 

Well, it's the usual :

 

--- DRM doesn't really work, there are still pirate versions out there

--- the most awful DRM, namely the ones with a limited set of installation and a must-have internet connection scare the consumers and push them to piracy. Basically, I call it "incitation to steal"

No. Most consumers still pay, while those that have always been inclined to steal will continue to pirate, and only hide behind words like DRM so that they think they can justify their thievery.

 

Nobody forces you to buy a game, and nobody provokes you to go pirate a game, except your own moral decay.

 

Heck, I've been lately bought two games from Atari (Riddick, MoW) that use these infamous DRM systems, yet I have had no problem to install or play these games. If that is supposed to be the worst the industry can come up with, then I consider myself appeased.

 

But it's the same like saying, i just bought a car and because i never had issue with it, you guys who have to go into service with it must just be full of fail...

Bollocks. If the game has issues, there will be a patch released, or new drivers, or whatever. That's also service. I've yet to understand why DRM would cause a failure to run the game.

 

you'll see when you upgrade to Win 7

Which I won't for a year or two. Until then, all known issues will be a thing of the past then.

 

I bet, that's what people were thinking when they were buying The Temple of Elemental Evil aswell

[Jaesun]

What exactly does Windows 7 do?

[Mamoulian War]

What exactly does Windows 7 do?

 

It reinstalls your old system and with the new awesome 3 time only activations for new games you lose one activation that way... if you make something wrong after you install your rentals, and you have to reinstall the system again, you lose another activation... if you buy new GPU, or HDD, or whatever, in many cases you lose another activation...

 

congratulations, your game is now unplayable... unless you call customer support, which is not available in most countries... so in order to get one more activation in some countries you would spent about 200EUR/USD on call...

[Deraldin]

Dragon Age = SecuRom free. No online authentication for offline play

 

Dragon Age forum post

 

EDIT: Of course this was posted in the DA topic 12 hours ago.

Edited May 5, 2009 by Deraldin

[Deadly_Nightshade]

Nice, very nice. I'll have to give it a try now.

[Mamoulian War]

Dragon Age = SecuRom free. No online authentication for offline play

 

Dragon Age forum post

 

EDIT: Of course this was posted in the DA topic 12 hours ago.

 

If this is actualu correct, it might be 1st EA game i purchase after they destroyed Origin... Still will not preorder but wait on Amazon reviews...

[Magister Lajciak]

It's true and it's awesome.

[Mamoulian War]

Report on serious research about DRM and it impacts on common people and institutions...

 

 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...t-of-us-all.ars

[Walsingham]

Was just filling in form to buy Red Alert 3 then remembered EA are DRM bastards. Cancelled order.

[Calax]

well Sim3's drm scheme is that in order to get all the effects you have to DL the info from them, and thus it's not all contained on the disk given to you.

[Deadly_Nightshade]

...it's not all contained on the disk given to you.

 

[Mamoulian War]

well Sim3's drm scheme is that in order to get all the effects you have to DL the info from them, and thus it's not all contained on the disk given to you.

 

same **** like Spore, just with different smell...

[Hell Kitty]

well Sim3's drm scheme is that in order to get all the effects you have to DL the info from them, and thus it's not all contained on the disk given to you.

 

You can purchase additional items (furniture, clothing, hairstyle etc) from the online store, which requires you register your game, but otherwise the only DRM is apparently a DVD check.

[skuld1]

well Sim3's drm scheme is that in order to get all the effects you have to DL the info from them, and thus it's not all contained on the disk given to you.

 

You can purchase additional items (furniture, clothing, hairstyle etc) from the online store, which requires you register your game, but otherwise the only DRM is apparently a DVD check.

 

This sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Only problem is if you don't have an internet connection.

[alanschu]

then they aren't the target audience for the game.

 

 

Sucks for people that didn't own CD players when cassette tapes were discontinued.

Edited June 3, 2009 by alanschu