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No he doesn't look tired. He looks like a chipmunk. But thats not the point. The point is that McCain is bad, Palin is worse and the two of them together will just be awful for America.

Hey now, my mother is huge and don't you forget it. The drunk can't even get off the couch to make herself a vodka drenched sandwich. Octopus suck.

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Watch the debate, or don't bother, because the media are always going to try to convince you that the candidate they like did it better than his opponent, regardless of what happened.

I would say that applies to almost everyone, to some degree or other, not just "the media.' :sorcerer:

 

- McCain didn't look at Obama one single time during the debate.

I noticed that as well. I think he did actually glance at him from the corners of his eyes, so to speak, a few times, but it was a very noticeable behaviour. Course, Obama hardly looked at McCain in the beginning either, but then seemed to get the hosts message about wanting them to talk to each other and occasionally tried to look at/engage McCain in face-to-face...which McCain largely ignored.

 

That aspect of the debate became a large (and amusing) distraction for me...their actual 'debate' was hardly more than just them making speeches to the host. Obama is the better orator in general...but I haven't been very impressed with either of them and this debate didn't change that.

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I just saw Nader on Bill Maher. Boy, the guy was one step away from

But he did offer some interesting points:

 

- "The only real capitalism left in this country is in the small business, mom & pop-stores and alike, at least they have the freedom to file for bankrupsy."

- "Big companies however, get help from socialistic superman, flying from his washington HQ to the rescue."

- "History books will write this episode down as 'The corporate destruction of capitalism."

 

This might belong in the economy-thread, but hey, Nader is running for president, isn't he? :ermm:

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"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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I found this interesting. Long-time Republicans question McCain's experience in choosing Pailin.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na...0,3440078.story

 

It didn't occur to me before, but now that they mention it, she does tend to govern just like Bush.

 

 

I think either way, we're looking at Palin running for President in 2012. Handmaid's Tale anyone? :)

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"The underlying differences between the Republican and Democratic Parties boils down to a very simple thing. The Republicans believe that the power of the Government should be used, first of all, to help the rich and privileged people of this country. With them property comes first. The Democrats believe that the powers of the Government should be used to give the common man some protection, and a chance to make a decent living. With the Democrats the people come first.

 

The Democratic Party is a political organization that has a heart--it cares about the people--it cares about all the people, rich and poor alike. The Republican Party is ruled by a little group of men who have calculating machines where their hearts ought to be.

 

Sometimes the Republicans aid their clientele by special favors--like the rich man's tax cut bill which was passed by the 80th Congress over my veto--or like their attempts to give away the Nation's oil resources to all the big oil interests.

 

Sometimes the Republicans aid their special friends by doing nothing--by a philosophy of each man for himself and the devil take the hindmost. That's why they've fought such measures as minimum wage laws, social security, and the protection of the right of labor unions to organize. All these things and others like them have been opposed by the Republicans."

 

---Harry S Truman

October 6, 1952

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Interestingly enough, that's probably the first time I've heard a politician being completely honest.

 

Perhaps so. But I can't help but feel it's because he thinks he somehow deserves to be ahead. Indeed - he went on to claim Obama has done nothing to earn his lead in the polls, whilst he, of course has been working very hard.

 

Sorry McCain, the sympathy vote might have worked with the PoW claims, but this is stretching it.

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"The underlying differences between the Republican and Democratic Parties boils down to a very simple thing. The Republicans believe that the power of the Government should be used, first of all, to help the rich and privileged people of this country. With them property comes first. The Democrats believe that the powers of the Government should be used to give the common man some protection, and a chance to make a decent living. With the Democrats the people come first.

 

The Democratic Party is a political organization that has a heart--it cares about the people--it cares about all the people, rich and poor alike. The Republican Party is ruled by a little group of men who have calculating machines where their hearts ought to be.

 

Sometimes the Republicans aid their clientele by special favors--like the rich man's tax cut bill which was passed by the 80th Congress over my veto--or like their attempts to give away the Nation's oil resources to all the big oil interests.

 

Sometimes the Republicans aid their special friends by doing nothing--by a philosophy of each man for himself and the devil take the hindmost. That's why they've fought such measures as minimum wage laws, social security, and the protection of the right of labor unions to organize. All these things and others like them have been opposed by the Republicans."

 

---Harry S Truman

October 6, 1952

 

Odd that a president from the democratic party would sound so biased...

 

I will say the parties have change a lot since the FDR's era.

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The VP Debate: The Strangest I've Ever Seen

 

Exactly an hour into the debate, Joe Biden began an answer by saying, "Facts matter, Gwen."

 

To him, maybe. To Sarah Palin, maybe not. The pattern, so far, has been one of Biden presenting facts and Palin countering with

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Well, I'm re-watching the Vice Presidential debate and my first impression, that Biden was the stronger speaker, seems to be correct. Almost every time he made a point and Palin responded with canned responses and Alaskan stories. While this might have given some people an insight into her style, anyone who has read articles about her and listened to recent interviews and speeches would not have learned much, if anything. Talking about the interviews, I was slightly disappointed that there were no entertaining mishaps like the ones in the Katie Couric piece, but in general tonight already confirmed what I had already believed - I would rather have Biden "one heartbeat away" from the presidency, not Sarah Palin.

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Harry Truman's speech was toolish. I lik,e how he dehumanizes his enemies. Disgusting.

 

"They're not human, they're machines! They even have machine parts where their heart should be!"

 

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Harry Truman's speech was toolish. I lik,e how he dehumanizes his enemies. Disgusting.

 

"They're not human, they're machines! They even have machine parts where their heart should be!"

 

L0L0L0L0L0LLIP0P

 

Let me know when Bioware stops sucking.

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He did dehumanize them. Read his speech that you quoted. He said they had no hearts, and were jsut mechanical. That's dehumanizing them. Truman is now a punk to me.

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