Revan's tactical prowess?

[Ulicus]

What proof is there of Revan

[Guest The Architect]

I'm at a loss as to how the fact that every single person with any experience of the wars, including the two most prolific warrior cultures of the age - the Echani and the Mandalorians - considering Revan to be the single greatest stategist and tactician they've ever encountered doesn't count as evidence.

 

Why do we need to know every little detail? The fact is that the OVERWHELMING consensus amongst IU character is that Revan was a ridiculously skilled military savant.

 

I think his strategic skills were probably greater than his tactical skills, but still... heh, I find it funny that such a huge consensus can be doubted. If he wasn't great, he wouldn't have half as many people singing his praises. Hell, Brianna indicates that Revan was more skilled than even the most *legendary* amongst the Echani, Candalore flat out tells us that Revan was Mandalore the Ultimate's superior...

 

Whether he's a Thrawn or not doesn't really matter - he was the greatest military leader of his age, and probably of his millennium.

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So tell me who, from the Republic and/or the Jedi who fought in the Mandalorian Wars, has said that Revan had great tactical prowess? Kreia? That

Edited January 11, 2007 by The Architect

[Darth Mortis]

So tell me who, from the Republic and/or the Jedi who fought in the Mandalorian Wars, has said that Revan had great tactical prowess? Kreia? That

[Guest The Architect]

Canderous quite clearly says that the Mandolorians had no answer to Revans tactics/stratagies. I can also recall someone saying that Revan saved us, but alas I can't remember who said that.

 

Why would the Echani want to make Revan sound good? I can understand the Mandalorians exagurating Revans powess since they were the ones he defeated. But the Echani were fighting on the Republics side.

 

Yes, Brianna didn't fight in the wars, but her father did and he was a general. I would say that Brianna's father would not only have been in a position to see the larger picrure of the war, but would have the skills to pass judgement on how good Revans tactics were.

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They don

Edited January 12, 2007 by The Architect

[DeathScepter]

Well Revan is all that and No there is no one like him.

 

 

 

 

Why would Canderous and Yusani lie?

[Guest The Architect]

Well Revan is all that and No there is no one like him.

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Whatever DorkScepter. :D

 

Revan is the Lord of Overestimation.

 

Why would Canderous and Yusani lie?

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You

Edited January 12, 2007 by The Architect

[Purgatorio]

What Architects getting at (I think) is:

That they would say Revan was superior because they were beaten. They are a warrior class, so if Revan beat them, they are weak, puny, and unmanly (which is just wrong when it comes to Mandalorians... except Boba Fett ). So of course they would say Revan is

Edited January 12, 2007 by Purgatorio

[Xard]

I really can't see why Architect has this campaign going on this topic.

 

IMO it's said vlearly many times Revan was teh Genius. There's no reason to presume otherwise.

 

Although I like your posts in general very mucho, Architect , I don't agree with you at all in this topic.

 

Your "proofs" are little bit... well, since I can't come up with anything that means same as kaukaa haettua, I say they're "far shots". Really, black looks white from certain point of view. This is same kind of thing. If there isn't any proof you can make it to look like there is.

 

For example whole "mandalorians and echnani are lying" is just... well, stupid

Edited January 12, 2007 by Xard

[Guest The Architect]

To be honest, I

Edited January 12, 2007 by The Architect

[DAWUSS]

Thing is, this subject will pop back up again like a bad habit...

[Purgatorio]

^ You mean the clap.

[DAWUSS]

Giggity giggity goo...

[Calax]

Mandalore at that period was a strategic genius.

 

Revan? Maybe, the only real "prowess" in terms of strategy he showed was preserving factories and industrial sites across the galaxy during the Civil war. This would have allowed him to simply recrew those factories and put more material out faster than if he had ordered the planet taken just a tch faster.

 

Thrawn still puts Revan to shame.

[Zann]

This thread in a nutshell:

 

[DAWUSS]

So... Thrawn or Revan?

[Xard]

No one beats Thrawn

[Benjamin Korr]

I was under the impression that The Jedi Order won't join the War under any condition.

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*Nods* It is meantioned several times in both games that the Jedi council didn't act, it was a group of Jedi who followed Revan that took part in the war.

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And...your point is Darth Mortis? Oh and DeathScepter, the Jedi Council said they would have eventually acted.

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Aye. The Jedi would have stepped in when the time was right. What kept them from doing this, was that Revan jumped the gun and thus forced the council to hold back in order to preserve the Jedi. You can look at this whole thing a few different ways, but I think the message here is that it would have been better for young "booksmarts" Reven to hold back and wait for the "old geezers" to say it was time to go.

 

As always, there is a lot more to any picture than any one person can see by himself. Reven thought he was an exception to this rule, and that is why he fell. If he had waited he would have gone to war with the council's blessing, and he would have saved the Republic from a whole lot of suffering down the road.

 

Reven may have prevented the deaths of millions by acting, but he caused many many more billions to die because he fell. With him fell Malak and many other Jedi, thus causing the domino effect which led up to the Exile's adventure in Kotor 2.

 

Listen to the Council next time Reven!

[Darth Mortis]

As always, there is a lot more to any picture than any one person can see by himself. Reven thought he was an exception to this rule, and that is why he fell.

 

To quote Kriea "You presume much, did Revan truely fall?"

[Rosbjerg]

Also I would like to add.. before closure..

 

All things considered it's pretty impressive simply taking command over such a large force as the entire republican army - coordinating major attacks in several star systems and sectors of space.. I think it's safe to presume that Revan was, if not brilliant, then very gifted in his/hers ability to command! as pulling off such a logistic hell is impressive on it's own..

[DeathScepter]

As much I would love to see this debate going, in why or why not Revan is a stragetic genius.

 

 

I do think that The Architect is right on that point.

 

 

 

I have my own reason for not like The Exile as much as I do like Revan.

[Xard]

Two biggest "problems" in Architect's ideas:

 

1) They're way too complicated. On "surface" and without these silly "conspiration" theorys nothing implies Revan WASN't tactical genius. This thing is going all wrong. It should be attempt to prove Revan to not be tactical genius, not vice versa. It didn't matter that Republic had more troops, more supplies etc. since Mandalorians are propably best warriors in whole Galaxy. Catastrophe of Dxun was never ment to show "Revan's really bad commander". No it was ment to show how terrifying warriors mandalorians are. For example, better weapons, supplies and more troops doesn't mean much. Great example of this is Winter War. Most current reliable estimaate puts the figure at 126,875 men killed in CCCP's Red Army. Losses of Finland were 22,830

 

I could continue to debate for my points, but I guess you already get my point of view. I may continue if I have will and time for it

 

2) as kotors are RPG's, they're full with ego bruising. For example in NwN2 Kana calls you "The Great Captain of Neverwinter" ecen if you would cook and eat small babies in front of her. Same applies for Revan. What else than ego bruising you could call the fact your character is one of the strongest jedis/siths ever, was a terrifying Sith Lord, who won Mandalorian Wars due his superior charisma and battle intelligence, turned 1/3 of Republic fleet against Republic and brought Republic to its knees.

Edited January 16, 2007 by Xard

[darth caesar]

Revan is viewed as a s and t master b/c he won. All the others lost. When you defeat everyone else, you're the best. Pretty simple.

[Laozi]

Darth Caesar

[Guest The Architect]

Yeah yeah, fair enough Xard. I see your points.

 

And darth caesar, . I agree with your logic. Revan is better than the Mandalorians because he/she beat them.

 

Still, would you think that Malak was a military genius if he won the Jedi Civil War?

 

And Darth Mortis, who cares if Revan truly fell or not? Revan was DS, simply because of the billions of innocent peoples deaths he/she caused.

 

Anyway, could one of you mods please lock this topic of mine?

Edited January 17, 2007 by The Architect

[Calax]

Revan is viewed as a s and t master b/c he won. All the others lost. When you defeat everyone else, you're the best. Pretty simple.

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And comic book geeks will rave about how the situation usually causes victories and defeats (there have been numerous Hulk V superman debates and uncountable Batman v everyone debates using this)