Army frowns on D&D

[Gfted1]

You must be used to getting better orders than I am.

 

Being through boot camp and some military training they pretty much try to erase individuality and basically do a form of brainwashing that you would comply to every order given. Yet have laws that make the soldier accountable for his actions and not the commander who dictates his actions.

 

*sigh*

 

One time you are going to be right about something and Im going to fall out of my chair. While Im sure you feel you know all there is to know about the military what with the 6-8 weeks you invested before getting canned, my 7.5 years of active duty thouroughly disproves your "facts".

 

1) Blind obedience is only taught in bootcamp. This is, as you surmised, used to break down the individuals and form them into a team mentality. This is used for unit cohesion and training the person to function under stress. Once you reach your duty station, you are expected to follow all "lawful" orders, but not all order period (below).

 

2) Military personel are not required to follow "unlawful" orders. Meaning, if your ordered to run in and gun down the monastary full of retarded nuns, you do not have to follow it and you will suffer no reprucussion.

 

While you may be bitter for being found unfit for duty but you dont have to make up BS and pass it off as fact.

[metadigital]

1) Blind obedience is only taught in bootcamp. This is, as you surmised, used to break down the individuals and form them into a team mentality. This is used for unit cohesion and training the person to function under stress. Once you reach your duty station, you are expected to follow all "lawful" orders, but not all order period (below).

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It's a common technique, too, used in corporate culture (and schools, too) for teambuilding.

[Mortis Nai]

Hell, a similar psychology is employed in the BDSM Community to form the Sub/Dom relationship.

 

Although that is a willing thing, and it misses out on the Point of Rebellion through Discipline and Unity that turns an Obedient "Drone" into a Trained and Dangerous "Soldier."

 

Still it's unfortunate that most peoples knowledge of Basic Training and the Psychology behind it does not extend beyond watching Full Metal Jacket.

Edited December 11, 2006 by Mortis Nai

[Blank]

Well, if I wanted to be in the IDF, I guess I wouldn't divulge any information about my dealings with D&D, then they wouldn't be able to descry my weak personality.

[alanschu]

The impression I got from reading up on many things about D-Day was that the Allies gained the advantage because their NCOs and Junior Officers had much more freedom to show initiative than the Wermacht did.

[Gfted1]

The impression I got from reading up on many things about D-Day was that the Allies gained the advantage because their NCOs and Junior Officers had much more freedom to show initiative than the Wermacht did.

 

 

Im not sure if this is Urban Legend or not but Ive heard that during D-Day there were several Tiger divisions nearby that werent brought to bear due to the fact they only took orders diretly from Hitler, who was napping, and nobody wanted to wake him. You know anything about that one way or the other?

Edited December 11, 2006 by Gfted1

[alanschu]

I have heard about that too. I believe the TIME Magazine 60th Anniversary magazine mentioned it.

 

The one that was particularly neat was when the US Navy had Destroyers nearby one of the beaches (likely Omaha, since that's where they were having the most trouble). Apparently the destroyers broke protocol, and aggressively approached the beaches to make their fire support much more accurate, relying on their own visual spotting rather than from radio teams on the beach. They got as close as they possibly could (I think one even bottomed out) to provide maximum fire support. It's a bit shakey since I read it a while ago (2004), but I do remember one of the command ships picking up a radio signal from the beach stating "Thank god for the United States Navy"

 

 

But for much, much worse, Hitler had assumed pretty much absolute control of his armed forces by that time. Ironically, when Germany was achieving a lot of military successes, it was when more open thinkers such as Guderian and Manstein that encouraged initiative had more control over their forces.

[Colrom]

Its because people who play D&D have a "weak personality"!

 

The IDF needs people who have a strong personality!

 

Weak vs Strong.

 

It's as easy as that.

 

Clearly a well thought out and researched policy. :crazy:

[thepixiesrock]

Well yeah if you want to over simplify it and all.

[Diamond]

Well, it is safe to assume that most people who play DnD have escapist tendencies. IMO, Israel, given their military arrangements, can afford such coarse filtering.

[Calax]

I believe that one of the questions the USAF asks when interviewing for security clearance is "In the past 15-20 (not sure which) have you ever thought about taking control of the world?"

 

Now if you ask this to a 25 year old person, they are going to have to say yes, because what adolecent DOESN'T want to control the world?

[Hurlshort]

I believe that one of the questions the USAF asks when interviewing for security clearance is "In the past 15-20 (not sure which) have you ever thought about taking control of the world?"

 

Now if you ask this to a 25 year old person, they are going to have to say yes, because what adolecent DOESN'T want to control the world?

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Seriously? That seems like a ton of work, and I would never want it. I wouldn't even want to be president. Sure, there are some rewards that go along with it, but it's not worth the amount of work, service, and responsiblity that goes with the job.

[Darth Drabek]

Me neither. Pro baseball player or secret agent, maybe, but world domination was never part of my daydreaming as a kid.

[metadigital]

I don't think he's talking about a political position, I think he was more thinking about being a dictator.

[Sand]

Of course when I was abourd my ship my gaming group didn't play DnD. We played Cyberpunk 2020.

[metadigital]

I think it's nice that the IDF have given teenagers an exit strategy: all they need do is declare their love for the LARP and they're home free ..!

[Sand]

Better than our own military. At least you don't have to fake or admit being gay.