alanschu Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 When I said "that sort of news" I was referring to the technology news they announced. I figured you were referring to their coverage of the dude with the water engine since that's the Fox News segment this thread was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Ah yes water engine. Make it use salt water since that is what the planet has the most of. Nuclear/fusion, I am digging into sci-fi ideas here, and solar power is what we need to concentrate on. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nuclear/fusion isn't science fiction. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nartwak Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 (edited) What are you talking about, man will never split the atom, let alone fuse them! Edited September 6, 2006 by Nartwak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) Ah yes water engine. Make it use salt water since that is what the planet has the most of. Nuclear/fusion, I am digging into sci-fi ideas here, and solar power is what we need to concentrate on. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Removing salt from water is a pretty common process. Edited September 7, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Realistically speaking, the only way we'll ever get completely off of oil is when we use it all up and can't find any more. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That'll never happen. There are tar pits in the wastes of Canadia that have huge deposits of low-yield petroleum derivatives, for example. It will never "run out", it will just be economically inefficient to extract it (for most things). Plastic might get vewy vewy expensive, though ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) How hard can it be to make an electrical engine that is recharged(a battery, not the engine itself, of course) as wheels turn, acting as mini-turbines? EDIT: Electricity is mass-produced by sending pressured water into turbines. The energy produced by the rotating turbines is then harnessed and converted to electricity. I don't know the details but a turbine is a big wheel that turns and on a car there are four wheels that turn. Couldn't this energy be converted to electricity and stored in the car's battery? I'm just saying, in my complete ignoramousness, how hard can it be to research and develop this? Edited September 7, 2006 by astr0creep http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 wow. Where do I start. The conversion of energy between forms is very inefficient. Bsaically more is lost than is converted. anyway, since a lot of research is being made into alternative energy-resources I don't think oil will be that interesting a resource in (hopefully near) future!Danish scientests have discovered away to store hydrogen in solid form without the need to freeze it permanently.. which, with further research, could provide us with alternative energy in pill-form.. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/...50907102549.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Should you drive a car 600 km using gaseous hydrogen at normalpressure, it would require a fuel tank with a size of nine cars. Withour technology, the same amount of hydrogen can be stored in a normalgasoline tank", says Professor Claus Hviid Christensen, Department ofChemistry at DTU. Excellent. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Good old entropy screws you every time. There is no such thing as a free lunch. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atreides Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Multiple windmills on cars! Spreading beauty with my katana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yeah thoswe Dutch are smart Cookiees. Windmills FTW. Plus they have a better system when it comes to keeping water out like dikes compared to levees. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Cookies? *pounces Dark Raven, looking for cookies* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yeah thoswe Dutch are smart Cookiees. Windmills FTW. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> bah .. we beat them in Windwill tech any day! Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Give it to the Japanese and they will make a windmill the size of a dinner plate and generate enough power to run an entire city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrom Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 It is generally accepted that we are about at the half way point for oil consumption. Here's some info from wiki on oil reserves: "It has been estimated that there was initially a total of 2,050 (Colin Campbell, 2005) to 2,390 gigabarrels (380 km As dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good. If you would destroy evil, do good. Evil cannot be perfected. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 How can they say conclusively they're at the halfway point, when they regularly find new, previously unknown deposits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) How can they say conclusively they're at the halfway point, when they regularly find new, previously unknown deposits? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would think that oil companies don Edited September 8, 2006 by kirottu This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I have seen Oil geologists speaking on the subject. Admitedly, they have a barrow to push, but they said quite categorically that it is completely unknown exactly how much oil is yet to be extracted. Not counting all the older wells that have been abandoned when the reserves in them became less than super-cheap to extract. Their estimates (including the increase demand curve) were more like 70 years from now. Of course no one can tell for certain; I can tell that the Oil companies have a business imperative to use all of the oil they can BEFORE converting the energy industry over to another source (the oil would just be wasted stock, like a baker throwing out all the day's bread as soon as it was baked in the morning). OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_i_am Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 This issue isn't so much one of oil running out, but of demand outweighting supply by such a factor as to cause the oil-depentent economy to collapse. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taks Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 due to the feedback nature of economics, that won't happen. we won't suddenly be in a position where "OMG, there will be no oil after TOMORROW." what will happen is that once oil reserves really start to get to the point where we're saying "20 years left at best" (20 was an arbitrary choice), prices will start to go up. it won't necessarily be a sudden increase, as the recent suddenness was due to a host of mitigating factors. once that happens, however, other methods will become economically attractive. not only exotic oil extraction methods (tar sands, shale, etc.) but also alternative energy sources. there may be some lag while the economy adjusts, but it will happen. taks comrade taks... just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_i_am Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 You just said a lot better what I was trying to. This is why enviromentalists getting up in arms over 'oil running out' amuses me somewhat. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Me too. I'd be very surprised if the Oil companies were not investing any money into alternative fuel sources, lest they all go out of business when Oil does run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Shell and BP are spending more than any other companies. (Just like tobacco companies make the majority of their revenue from non-cigarette sources now.) OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 But that's not what those "thetruth" commercials tell me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 The truth lies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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