which teachings lead to true strength?

[Darth_Onivega]

LS are for tree-huggers

[Revan's Revenge]

The path of the Jedi leads to an unfulfilled life - a life in which one rejects experience itself for the illusion of enlightenment.  One must be willing to reject the struggle and pain and conflict that can strengthen and enrich one's life, at least through retrospect.  One is only as great as their experience.  Pacifism itself is insufficent for all occasions and situations. 

 

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Are you pulling a Bindo?

[Darth Tratious]

Sith All The Way

[SteveThaiBinh]

I don't see how Jedi teachings can be called pacifist given that they carry deadly weapons around and seem to spend most of their training on combat skills. They don't exactly lead to strength either, since the Jedi seem too weak to make life in the Republic better in any meaningful way. Sith teachings are inherently self-destructive. Kreia's teachings weren't really teachings, they were just another way for her to manipulate the Exile. I voted neither.

Edited January 26, 2006 by SteveThaiBinh

[Dark Moth]

LS are for tree-huggers

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Yoda would pWn your Sith ass any day. :D

 

The next generation belongs to us, the sith

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At this point I have to express a certain level of concern for you.....

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Heh...I think I agree with you.

Edited January 26, 2006 by Mothman

[Dark_Raven]

One must find balance in all things and within themselves.

The shade of darkness and the brightness of the light can never be fully in power.

[DarthVala]

Good idea, but remember; greys get no Enlightenment or Crush; no Prestige class; and no emtrance to the cave on Korriban. 3 less good things for "looking at both sides of the coin" as Kreia puts it.

[DoubleX]

I would never listen to Kreia's teachings any more than I would sleep with her.    Besides, it's debatable that even she wasn't gray, but DS. 

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Would you listen to Palpatine's teachings then? He said almost the exact same thing to Anakin in Episode III:

 

Palpatine: If one is to fully understand the great mystery, one must study all of its aspects, not just the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi.

 

And to answer the question posed by the topic title, I suppose it may depend on what you view as true strength: physical or inner. Sith can be strong physically since they use all their darker emotions to fuel and channel to increase their power in battle, but a Jedi may also possess remarkable inner strength (Yoda springs to mind; he's not physically strong since he's about a foot and a half tall, but he does possess an inner strength with the Force that is unmatched by nearly any living Jedi or Sith).

Edited January 26, 2006 by DoubleX

[Darth Sembo]

The Sith will rule the galaxy. Anyone who stands in our way will feel our vengance! We will not stop until we have destroyed the Jedi order!

 

All hail the Sith!

 

Darth Sembo

[CoM_Solaufein]

Play the grey side. Being too good is annoying and being pure evil, well just isn't me.

[QeL_Droma]

The answer is easy: "The teachings of jedi.". Because I don't wanna die while trying to reach strength

[Darth_Onivega]

HK-47's teachings. Screw the force

 

"Commentary: It is not possible to destroy the master. It is suggested you run while my blasters warm, meatbags." ~ K1, upon encountering Malak's Dark Jedi.

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hm i must not of had HK in my party when i played k1

[Darth_Onivega]

The Sith will rule the galaxy. Anyone who stands in our way will feel our vengance! We will not stop until we have destroyed the Jedi order!

 

All hail the Sith!

 

Darth Sembo  

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haha amen to that

[SteveThaiBinh]

Would you listen to Palpatine's teachings then? He said almost the exact same thing to Anakin in Episode III:

Palpatine: If one is to fully understand the great mystery, one must study all of its aspects, not just the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi.

He lies. He shapes his words in order to manipulate the listener. The things Palpatine and Kreia say don't have any great wisdom or philosophy behind them. The dark side is mediocre drivel.

Edited January 26, 2006 by SteveThaiBinh

[Darth_Onivega]

The Sith will rule the galaxy. Anyone who stands in our way will feel our vengance! We will not stop until we have destroyed the Jedi order!

 

All hail the Sith!

 

Darth Sembo  

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Be my apprentice, Lord Sembo, and the galaxy will be ours! MUWHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

[Wraith Straddon]

Bah. Embracing the Dark Side entirely, allowing it - that is, your brutal, malicious urges - to drive your every thought and action is utter absurdity and is little more than spiritual erosion. Freedom and power have nothing to do with the ability to murder your enemies more quickly and painfully than others. To take the banner of the Dark Side jokingly is to desensitize oneself to the horrors of antagonization and terror-mongering ("Cower, piggies, or taste my steel! Hahahahahaaaa!! ") and cheapen oneself in the process.

 

Conversely, the ways of the Jedi seem to accomodate and facilitate their own martial presence; their teachings are contradictory - inner peace and harmony, avoiding conflict, and simultaneously becoming cold, detached, and remorsless killers in the name of 'wisdom' and 'justice'. Their rigidity also perpetuates the Dark Side's existence - those unable to accept the rigid doctrines invariably turn rogue, and often, to the Dark Side. They become the polar opposite of what they once were, becoming beings enlaved to passion and indulgence, consuming all in excess, as if they were attempting to make up for lost time. Besides, one cannot suppress their emotions and exhibit compassion simultaneously - charity of that sort must be indoctrinated, and most likely guilt-based.

 

Both extremes are irritatingly self-defeating, and perpetuate chaos, destruction, suffering, betrayal, and war. Anyone who has seen the power of moderate dark and light - even in terms of support characters in-game, or reflected in world/SW-galactic events - should be able to envision and theoretically embrace the concept of balance... and that't not brutality one moment and atonement the next, either. One may be emotional and still possess moral compass. One may live to do battle, but shudder at the thought of ever taking life.

 

It's about taking accountability for the fate of the galaxy... or at the very least, for one's immediate surroundings. Stay rational, but never enslave yourself to any form of mindless dogma for the sole reason that doing so will absolve you of any responsibility or accountability for events directly or indirectly under your control.

 

..Hmm... that all seems so serious. I am preachy... so very preachy.

Edited January 26, 2006 by Wraith Straddon

[DAWUSS]

HK-47's teachings. Screw the force

 

"Commentary: It is not possible to destroy the master. It is suggested you run while my blasters warm, meatbags." ~ K1, upon encountering Malak's Dark Jedi.

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"Hokey religions and old weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

-Han Solo

[indarkestday]

I agree that it depends on what one considers true strength to be. Darkness and light are equally powerful- everything can get better or worse. I didn't vote, but I'd stick with the lightside because , as Obi-Wan says, power alone is no credit to you. Humans cannot live completely on the dark side or with just power. We are built to need different things, things no true darksider can have.

 

Also, "Jedi" is not synonymous with "light side". The same thing goes for the Sith with the light side. The Jedi have good intentions by trying to become like the passive Force, but set themselves up to fail. They should have emotion- it's part of the experience of life. They should have the wisdom and control to use their emotions for the universe's benifit though. They should also learn to let go of their emotions and the things they hold dear when needed. That part the Jedi are right about.

 

Most Sith to me deceive themselves. To truly be on the dark side is something that is worst for humans. Sith just don't want responsibility, or can't resist the temptation of giving in. The exceptions are those who are on the dark side for the greater good, even though sometimes it actually isn't the greater good.

Edited January 27, 2006 by indarkestday

[Judge Hades]

*gets into the Sun Crusher*

 

Alright you Jedi and Sith boyos. Lets see you all become one with the force!

 

*stars blowing up stars where Sith and Jedi congregate*

[Darth_Zonos]

i think that one sould try to view the force from a presective that lets you c i in true light (an by light i don't mean good side) gray is to narrow a path and no real power is gained in the end it will alway be light or dark.

[indarkestday]

i think that one sould try to view the force from a presective that lets you c i in true light (an by light i don't mean good side)

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That's true. If one needs help in becoming steadfast in one side, understanding (but not necessarily following) the opposite side helps.

[Darth_Zonos]

yes you understand what i mean. that is the key to power

[DAWUSS]

*gets into the Sun Crusher*

 

Alright you Jedi and Sith boyos.  Lets see you all become one with the force!

 

*stars blowing up stars where Sith and Jedi congregate*

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You've created an echo, a wound in the Force!

[Darth_Zonos]

its takes more than that. it was also all the feelings that war brings out plus all the jedi

[indarkestday]

I tend to dislike selfish power. It's a high of euphoria followed by a bad trip.

Edited January 26, 2006 by indarkestday