A pet garbage golem would be pretty cool.

Manure Golem ftw!

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"Huh? I thought they were going to make a fairly PnP accurate implementation of the familiars, unless I missed something?"

 

 

"Well I haven

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Explodes with a 50 foot radius doing 10d6 damage to all (Rflex Save for half) if it gets hit by fire.

Stinking Cloud, Stun and Suffocation too.

Make up your mind, please.

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Hey, I need to maintian my consistant inconsistant nature.

Familiars in pnp can fight, and participate in combat. Familiars in NWN1 can; fmailiars in NWN2 can't. Hence, NWN1 familiars are much closer to pnp than NWN2 ones are. Familiars in pnp cna be very awesome in combat with the proper buffs.

 

I think most people who whine too much about NWN1 familiars being 'too combaty' haven't played 3E. Sure, the NWN familiars may be a little stgronger than pnp famliar sin combat; but it's better than wussified NWN2 familiars which completely destroy familiars.

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What exactly is the point of a familiar? I never played as a Mage in any of these games (IWD, BG, NWN, etc.) so I'm a little lost.

 

I always mistakenly think of a familiar as Drizzt's black panther. But that's something different, isn't it.

Familiar: special pet that magic people use. Like witches and cats.

 

Why are you in stealth mode GoA?

Why are you in stealth mode GoA?

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To keep the stalkers away. :ph34r:

"What exactly is the point of a familiar? I never played as a Mage in any of these games (IWD, BG, NWN, etc.) so I'm a little lost."

 

Pretty much an aide to a spellcaster. It also depends on version. In 2E, familiars were NOT good in melee. In 3E, they cna be. Otehrwise, tehy're used as scouts, spies, low end combater, experiemnter, and assisten. Pet, friend, slave, servant.

 

 

 

"I always mistakenly think of a familiar as Drizzt's black panther. But that's something different, isn't it."

 

Drizzt's pantehr is actually a magic item. LOL Though, it's also a friend of his. Good background history there too.

 

It should be noted, before Drizzt got hold of Gwyn, she was an assassin for a drow mage...

Gwyn the panther is a figurine of wonderous power. A very potent magic item.

Pretty much an aide to a spellcaster. It also depends on version. In 2E, familiars were NOT good in melee. In 3E, they cna be. Otehrwise, tehy're used as scouts, spies, low end combater, experiemnter, and assisten. Pet, friend, slave, servant.

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Which I agree with. I do think a familiar should be able to help. Spying, pick pocketing, etc... I don't see them being used in combat unless you take the improved familiar feat (I think its what its called?). Only then can you get an imp or something that can help you in combat, which is something Obsidian should offer. I didn't like super powerful familiars in NWN, but if it

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"I don't see them being used in combat unless you take the improved familiar feat (I think its what its called?)."

 

That's funny. I can get a normal famliar in pnp to have hp at 100 at level 20, have a great ac, have a decent ab, and do generally well in combat. People greatly underestimate a familiar's usefulness in a fight. Are they a full out fronjt line attack force in pnp? They really aren't in NWN either. Just because they can slaughter 1HD goblins doens't make them tanks. People should actually see a pnp familiar in action before they consider them useless in combat.

 

Yes, NWN1's familars ar eslightly more powerful than their pnp counterparts; but not to the degree that some like to make believe. It sure beats the utter useless famliars we'll be getting in NWN2 which accoridng to Obsidian can't fight at all.

 

That's as lame as both TOEE (espicially) , and BG2.

 

Lame. Lame. Lame.

 

 

"Btw, Gwyn the panther can also be considered an animal companion to the Druid and Ranger if it wasn't a figurine."

 

No.

 

 

"Druid and Rangers animal companions are more powerful than a arcane spell casters familiar."

 

Hahaha. But, no.

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Why'd Obsidian decide on that course for familiars?

So, they wouldn't have to hear complain how 'overpowered' NWN2 familiars might be. LOL

 

Seriously, ask them.

 

I think people are still stuck on the 2E version of famliars. 3E's (and 3.5's) familiars ar emuch more capable. There's a reaosn why they can deliver touch attack spells. Did you think they'd have the ability if they werne't melee capable?

 

R00fles!

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I would, but they moved the NWN2 forums elsewhere. "

Familiars are awesome if you put somethought into them

I don't know if familiars would become "utterly useless" just because they can no longer attack.

Sounds like a spellcaster. Never cared much for mages (tried Wild mage a few times in BG2) 

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Nope, Warlocks have no spells

 

They do have a lot of innate spell like abilities though that they can use at will

Were the familiars in NWN 1 overpowered? Yep. Should familars be able to attack? Yep. If they just followed the rules of the game of familiars from the beginning we wouldn't be having this discussion.

"I don't know if familiars would become "utterly useless" just because they can no longer attack."

 

I admit to using semi hyperbole. They *might* be useful yet. We shall see. But, whatever their uses in NWN2; it will be FARTHER away from their pnp counterparts; not CLOSER if they are made to not take part in combat.

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I don't know if "utterly useless" is just "semi hyperbole"

 

Wouldn't the use of hyperbole be pretty boolean anyways?

Were the familiars in NWN 1 overpowered?  Yep.  Should familars be able to attack?  Yep.  If they just followed the rules of the game of familiars from the beginning we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Yeah, familiars were ungodly in NWN1... my pixie fought and doubled as a thief.

Yeah, familiars were ungodly in NWN1... my pixie fought and doubled as a thief.

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Awww Darque has a pixie.

I found many people used the pixie. Weren't they invisible as well? And damned near impossible to hit, with mad thieving skills?