Whats up with all the short games ?

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Jade is not a short game. It takes me 41 hours to complete in my first.

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How ?

[Baley]

Jade is not a short game. It takes me 41 hours to complete in my first.

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How ?

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Maybe he walked everywhere?

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Maybe he walked everywhere?

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Someone actually suggested you do that on the Bioware board.

Still makes me grin when I think of it.

[Baley]

Yes,we* know,you frequently mention it on the subject of JE's apparent shortness.

 

I was trying to be funny

 

 

Royal We,sire.

Edited November 21, 2005 by Baley

[Judge Hades]

It took me about 40 hours to beat the game and yes, I consider the high end of short. 60 to 70 hours is mid range, anything 100+ hours is long.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

It took me about 40 hours to beat the game and yes, I consider the high end of short.  60 to 70 hours is mid range, anything 100+ hours is long.

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Really dont see how thats possible unless spent a lot of time standing around or backtracking.

[Volourn]

JE is one of those games where everyone seems to exaggerate their play time. I honestly don't think people truly pay attention to how much time they spent on it, and just randomly pick a number. Heh. Either that, or those less than 20 hours people skip a lot of things, and those 40+ hpiurs people go over every inch of ground twice just in case they missed something.

 

Myself, it took me about 28 hours not counting deaths which likely added a couple more hours.

 

Long or short, JE is awesome. LONG LIVE JE2!

 

Hades, you have a weird time neccesaryily. Only a handful of games - maybe 6 of them - actually reach 100 hours. You expect way too much as far as duration is concerned when it comes to games.

 

WOWSERS!

[karka]

Jade is not a short game. It takes me 41 hours to complete in my first.

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How ?

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Mm. I did nothing special. I played it with my normal speed, did't die frequently, read all books and other readable stuff... With same speed, i finished Kotor 2 in 35 hours.

[metadigital]

My point is that it matters less that a game is short, if it delivers a level of entertainment great *and* complete enough to justify its cost. If it leaves you feeling cheated, then no. At least, it's not justified for you, is it?

 

I agree with this completely.

Perhaps it's less a complaint about length as the fact that one often can't determine how much one is going to like a given game without buying it first. And once bought, you can't (usually) return them for the full price (or any price). Where I live, you typically can't even exchange for a different game, only for another copy of the same game. I understand the reasons behind this but that doesn't mean I like it.

 

Demos are supposed to help with this, but I often find them lacking since I prefer my opinion of games to be based on more than one or two 'maps' or the tutorial levels - there's many games where I intially didn't like it but then ended up loving it.

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There is a retailer in the UK that lets customers return games within ten days for a full refund. (I nearly took EQ back, but I calculated the opportunity cost and decided against it.)

[alanschu]

It took me about 40 hours to beat the game and yes, I consider the high end of short.  60 to 70 hours is mid range, anything 100+ hours is long.

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60-70 hours is "midrange?"

 

How many "long" games are out there? I mean, not even BG2 took me 100 hours to beat. I wonder if it even took me 100 hours to beat it TWICE.

 

 

I mean, a full playthrough of Fallout for me now (now meaning of course I know where to go and don't get stuck anywhere...but I still play through the game without just warping to the end; i.e. I still roleplay the game) can be beaten in a single sitting for me.

Edited November 22, 2005 by alanschu

[Spider]

Hasn't a complaint with Fallout been that it's on the short side though?

[alanschu]

I do consider Fallout to be a shorter game.

 

I replay many of my games, and among RPGs I can beat Fallout quite quickly.

[Judge Hades]

Combining BG 1 and BG2, with expansion, I totalled almost 200 hours of game time. Morrowind I played for 400 hours. Planescape, exploring every single nitch of the game because I love the setting, took me about 80 hours. Fallout, on the first time through, took me about 50 to 60 hours.

 

Jade Empire took me about 40 hours. When I play that game I read every scroll, book, and such. I talk to everyone. I use different combat moves. Hell, one time I had about 6 to 7 magic and life orbs scattered on the field. Harmonic combos rock.

 

I play for completeness when I play a game, each time I play a single game.

[CoM_Solaufein]

How long a game lasts depends on if you do every quests/tasks in the game. I always do every quest in a game because of the experiance points/rewards you get and I like to prolong the enjoyment of playing the game.

[Musopticon?]

My first playthrough is always one for kicks.

 

Playing for completeness is a chore, I'd rather leave for later.

[Hurlshort]

I rarely play anything through twice, so I try and complete everything like Hades. There are many games I've tried to play through a second time, like going Darkside on KotOR or trying new parties in BG, but I tend to get tired of repeating stuff and stop playing.

 

Even Jagged Alliance 2. I've only made it to the end game once, but I love to start a new team and take a few towns before I lose interest.

[Musopticon?]

^I have that same problem with IWD 2, well actually with all infinity games.

[Judge Hades]

I completed all the Infinity Engine games at least once and the BG series at least 3 to 4 times. I liked them all alot. I go and mess with them once in a while when I get in the mood to do so.

[Hell Kitty]

I replay most games at least once. My favourite games are the Thief games, but I know them so well that they seem so damn easy, and it feels kinda pointless.

[Musopticon?]

^Same here. Do you ghost?

[mkreku]

Jade Empire is a short game. You may be able to prolong its life by running in circles or doing stupid shoot'em up sequences forever, but for a normal user it's a short game, less than 20 hours of gameplay.

 

KotOR/KotOR2 are mid-range games. I am sure you can just run through them or idle around some obscure planet for hours, but again, for the normal player they will take around 30 hours.

 

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is a long game. No matter how you play it, it will cost you 50+ hours of your life. It has stolen a lot more than 100 hours from mine.

[alanschu]

My first playthrough is always one for kicks.

 

Playing for completeness is a chore, I'd rather leave for later.

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I agree. My first playthrough I always playthrough with a strict roleplaying perspective, and it usually results in an exceptionally satisfying game experience.

 

My KOTOR 1 was probably the best, where I always tried to do the right thing. My trip to Korriban had me convinced that I needed to buy into the Sith ways to protect myself and my allies. Turns out I was seduced by the power of the darkside. When I found myself all alone under the waters of Manaan, I was also more willing to be evil since I had no one around to judge me. When I returned to the surface, my journey to the darkside was well underway.

 

Appropriately enough, I reached full darkside mastery right at the end of the unknown planet

[metadigital]

My first playthrough is always one for kicks.

 

Playing for completeness is a chore, I'd rather leave for later.

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You are obviously failing at obsessive-compulsiveness. Go back and wash your hands again.

[Musopticon?]

Obs-Com is overrated, mister. So is washing one's hands.

[metadigital]

Washing hands with hot water and copious amounts of soap is mandatory. _Every_ time the hands touch something dirty.