Tales of the Jedi

[Topaz Quasar]

These comics predate KOTOR in the timeline, and some events are brought up in the games, so.....

[Baley]

You're doing this to spite Nur,aren't you "

[Darth Flatus]

Is this supposed ot be som kind of retro thread? cos this has been done before.

 

From what i can remember Nur Ab Sal loves those comics. Almost everyone else thinks they are nothing special and a bit silly. but then iagain i could be mistaken

[Lord Tarondor]

Ya, well Nar-Ab Sul has differing opinions over everything, going so far as to call Bioware unoriginal.

[Bokishi]

All Nur likes are commemorative Bastila collectables.

[Leferd]

I like them. But the general quality of these books are quite bad.

 

...well, mostly bad.

[Darth_Radnor]

Trash.

[Baley]

Never read them,actually I've never read any SW comivbooks

[213374U]

Suckage, except for Redemption. That one's actually pretty good.

[Darth_Radnor]

I don't know about Redemption as I haven't read it yet, but pretty much all aspects of the comic series are flawed.

 

Villian: Predictable; Exar Kun, jedi, led to be a dark lord of the sith, challenges and kills master, loses in the end.

 

Hero: Perfect; Nomi Sunrider, Jedi warrior with no flaws, etc.

 

Plot: Horrible; Exar plans to dominate the galaxy using Sith magic. In short no plot at all.

 

And have a series of small skirmishes that's labeled as "war".

 

In short, they suck.

[The man in the iron mask]

Never read them. Saw them once, and forgot they existed until reading this post.

[213374U]

I don't know about Redemption as I haven't read it yet, but pretty much all aspects of the comic series are flawed.

 

Villian: Predictable; Exar Kun, jedi, led to be a dark lord of the sith, challenges and kills master, loses in the end.

 

Hero: Perfect; Nomi Sunrider, Jedi warrior with no flaws, etc.

 

Plot: Horrible; Exar plans to dominate the galaxy using Sith magic. In short no plot at all.

 

And have a series of small skirmishes that's labeled as "war".

 

In short, they suck.

Yep. One of the big points of Redemption is that it doesn't try to be an epic story. It's just about a man. No villains, no wars, no heroes.

 

Good stuff.

[GhostofAnakin]

Most outlandish collection of stories ever produced, and this is in context with the Star Wars universe.

 

The Star Wars universe would have been so much better off if we didn't have to deal with this series and its setting the bar so ridiculously high in terms of showing off stupid force abilities and whatnot.

[Leferd]

"I like them. But the general quality of these books are quite bad.

 

...well, mostly bad."

 

"Suckage, except for Redemption. That one's actually pretty good."

 

Redemption was titled Redemption for a reason.

[Drakonnen]

I definetly enjoyed them. I like the true ancient aspect and feel they have to them, perfect for something set 4000 years before the movies, instead of looking like they could be two decades before the movies like the KOTOR games are.

 

Sure, they weren't always so detailed and thing seem a little rushed, but come on, what do you expect? Comics are very thin little things to cram alot of stuff into.

 

They would have been much better as novels, but for the medium, they were rather fun I thought.

 

I never actually read Redemption though. The whole thing about Ulic Qel Droma being stripped of the Force never sat well with me. I hated that they gave the Jedi that power.

[bulletkid]

you guys wnat canon content? go for the clone wars comics..they're much better in terms of coverpages and story content...at least i get to relate better in the upcoming ep3

[Nur Ab Sal]

I don't know about Redemption as I haven't read it yet, but pretty much all aspects of the comic series are flawed.

 

Villian: Predictable; Exar Kun, jedi, led to be a dark lord of the sith, challenges and kills master, loses in the end.

 

Hero: Perfect; Nomi Sunrider, Jedi warrior with no flaws, etc.

 

Plot: Horrible; Exar plans to dominate the galaxy using Sith magic. In short no plot at all.

 

And have a series of small skirmishes that's labeled as "war".

 

In short, they suck.

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Star Wars Saga

 

Villain: Palpatine, most vile character ever, so powerful that he blinded all jedi with

dark side cloud, Anakin: powerful but brash jedi who desires power

 

Hero: Perfect; Obi-Wan, Jedi Warrior with no flaws, etc

the same Luke, Yoda and Mace no flaws at all.

 

Plot: horrible! Palpatine is using deception to dominate the galaxy. In short no plot at all...

 

Verdict: Lucas movies are trash

 

All heroic stories all about the same and use same stereotypes Radnor. You are unable to prove that TOTJ is worse than prequels or batman or lord of the rings. Surely you are intelligent enough to notice that. TOTJ are decent stories from the mid 1990s - surely better than spiderman babble, and you seem to forget that this "trash" opened completely new era in SW and added really epic info like Great Hyperspace War, Jedi Holocaust, explanation about ANH Yavin temples (masassi were barely mentioned in ANH novelization), who the first Sith were

and how Jedi from Old Republic actually looked. Before 1999 the only Jedi known to us was Luke, and introduction of Nomi, Ulic, Master Arca was a great idea that let us see those legendary Jedi knights Obi-wan mentioned in epIV. Today when comic art is better developed than in 1993, when we saw those hundreds of Jedi knights in Prequels, when we played KOTOR - Tales of the Jedi looks lame, I agree. But still the series was groundbreaking and without all that background TOTJ brought, we would never have KOTOR. Just becouse there wouldn't be entire setting to use and Mike Gallo is a big TOTJ fan and he always wanted to make a game set in TOTJ era. So TOTJ inspired him to make an RPG. We can speculate that RPH would have been even without TOTJ but that's a speculation only; the reality is that TOTJ inspired first star wars RPG and accept it.

Considering various limits in comic creation I think that TOTJ did a great job in showing ancient galaxy - you still have lightsabers, blasters, starships but everything is archaic and gives a mood of ancient times. No like KOTOR that looks like 50 years before Phantom Menace. I understand that art from Dark Lords of the Sith or Sith War looks ugly when compared to the newest Republic/Clone Wars but c'mon - in 1990s it was standard, decent looking art. Art from comics like Mara Jade, Dark empire, Xwing Series, Droids, Crimson Empire that were published at the same time as Tales of the Jedi look similar - sometimes is better, sometimes worse. You seem to forget what were the art realities of the 1990s. Kevin Anderson didn't have 200 artists like GL has during prequels, to create his own detailed world. He had one artist who did a standard 1990s Dark Horse job.

 

TOTJ was as great adventure to me as Original Trilogy and offered similar plot with similar depth. Instead of parasiting on Lucas movies (liek Stackpole did in his xwing series ) it opened new setting that precedes movies times. It gave us a gaze into a golden age of the Republic Obi-Wan spoke off, when Jedi were numerous and Senate wasn't corrupted. Before KOTOR and prequels, it was really great to read about real Jedi knights mentioned in ANH, not an adept like Luke who is their successor.

[213374U]

All heroic stories all about the same and use same stereotypes Radnor. You are unable to prove that TOTJ is worse than prequels or batman or  lord of the rings. Surely you are intelligent enough to notice that. TOTJ are decent stories from the mid 1990s - surely better than spiderman babble, and you seem to forget that this "trash" opened completely new era in SW and added really epic info like Great Hyperspace War, Jedi Holocaust, explanation about ANH Yavin temples (masassi were barely mentioned in ANH novelization), who the first Sith were

and how Jedi from Old Republic actually looked. Before 1999 the only Jedi known to us was Luke, and introduction of Nomi, Ulic, Master Arca was a great idea that let us see those legendary Jedi knights Obi-wan mentioned in epIV. Today when comic art is better developed than in 1993, when we saw those hundreds of Jedi knights in Prequels, when we played KOTOR - Tales of the Jedi looks lame, I agree. But still the series was groundbreaking and without all that background TOTJ brought, we would never have KOTOR. Just becouse there wouldn't be entire setting to use and Mike Gallo is a big TOTJ fan and he always wanted to make a game set in TOTJ era. So TOTJ inspired him to make an RPG. We can speculate that RPH would have been even without TOTJ but that's a speculation only; the reality is that TOTJ inspired first star wars RPG and accept it.

Considering various limits in comic creation I think that TOTJ did a great job in showing ancient galaxy - you still have lightsabers, blasters, starships but everything is archaic and gives a mood of ancient times. No like KOTOR that looks like 50 years before Phantom Menace. I understand that art from Dark Lords of the Sith or Sith War looks ugly when compared to the newest Republic/Clone Wars but c'mon - in 1990s it was standard, decent looking art. Art from comics like Mara Jade, Dark empire, Xwing Series, Droids, Crimson Empire that were published at the same time as Tales of the Jedi look similar - sometimes is better, sometimes worse. You seem to forget what were the art realities of the 1990s. Kevin Anderson didn't have 200 artists like GL has during prequels, to create his own detailed world. He had one artist who did a standard 1990s Dark Horse job.

 

TOTJ was as great adventure to me as Original Trilogy and offered similar plot with similar depth. Instead of parasiting on Lucas movies (liek Stackpole did in his xwing series ) it opened new setting that precedes movies times.  It gave us a gaze into a golden age of the Republic Obi-Wan spoke off, when Jedi were numerous and Senate wasn't corrupted. Before KOTOR and prequels, it was really great to read about real Jedi knights mentioned in ANH, not an adept like Luke who is their successor.

In short, they suck.

[kirottu]

:D

[Nur Ab Sal]

[typical troll blurb]

 

Why must you always act like such rude jerk? If you can't discuss, just be silent please.

[213374U]

Sorry Nur, that's just how things are. And I didn't really write anything in that last post. I just posted some quotes. It's not my fault if the majority thinks that TotJ sucks donkey balls. )

[Lord Tarondor]

Rofl.