Judge Hades Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 The problem with Troika is they got the ratio right, but did it in the wrong order.
NeverwinterKnight Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Oh, I agree. That's why my votes is for their next game to be an original game.if at all possible. Just don't think Troika is the one they should be idiolize business model wise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> maybe obsidians third project will be vampire: the masquerade - bloodlines 2 "
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 maybe obsidians third project will be vampire: the masquerade - bloodlines 2 " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Percival Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 maybe obsidians third project will be vampire: the masquerade - bloodlines 2 " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think that world ends sometime after that game. Something about a new world of darkness setting or something.
Loof Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 Yeah White Wolf has released "Vampire the requiem" and a new version of "World of darkness". Looks like an improvment from what I have seen, but still not one of the first games I would choose to play if I could ever get a PnP group together again...
kumquatq3 Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 If you think Obsidian isn't thinking up and pitching ideas for their own IP for awhile now, your retarded. The question is when it will happen.
Gorth Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 Depends a bit on their capacity too. They almost had two teams working when Kotor2 was finishing and NWN2 started, but they might be down to one full team again (NWN2). They might play it safe (as safe as anything in the VG industry) and go with that for a while yet, keeping themself entertained for the next year. They probably do have more than one idea for something they would like to do, but they also have to get aquainted with the various publishers out there, while shopping for investors. While there is no chance of them ever saying something outrageously bad about LA or Atari, they are bound to get some impressions of how these two companies would behave as potential publishers for a third game. They might just want to try a third one to see if the shoe fits better there (Activision ?). It was easier when they were BIS, for good and for bad they had exactly one possible publisher. Odds are, they might follow the Bioware strategy and do the easily digestible stuff (action oriented, short game length, munchkinism, newest technological buzz words, some kind of sex appeal for the 14-17 year olds etc.) for the widest possible market. Few, if any developers can do the work they want to do, whatever that might be, but the work they can get. The better developers might have some influence on the what they get, but free hands ? Don't think so. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Camael Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 Although there are many games I would love to see Obsidian make, cold, logical reasoning leads me to believe the eventual outcome will end up being KOTOR3. I think hoping for anything else will lead to dissapointment. I think making their own IP would be a luxury for them that they can't afford at this point. I think Atari has already stretched their development funds thin on current projects so I would be very surprised if Obsidian picked up another D&D project now, unless they got BG3. In a couple years it may be another story <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not to say I told you so because God only knows where they got this info, but.. GameDreamZ link
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 I just hope the next game will be all-original, totally new and exciting. New world, new rules, the whole package. We've seen enough adaptions. preferrably in a modern day setting DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
alternative_genius Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 Although there are many games I would love to see Obsidian make, cold, logical reasoning leads me to believe the eventual outcome will end up being KOTOR3. I think hoping for anything else will lead to dissapointment. I think making their own IP would be a luxury for them that they can't afford at this point. I think Atari has already stretched their development funds thin on current projects so I would be very surprised if Obsidian picked up another D&D project now, unless they got BG3. In a couple years it may be another story <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not to say I told you so because God only knows where they got this info, but.. GameDreamZ link
Azure_One Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 How... reliable is this GameDreamZ site? I hope this isn't getting announced in the same E3 booth as Microsoft's annual purchase of Bioware. Well, actually, I hope it is. I don't really like the idea KOTOR games being mass produced like this.
BicycleOfDeath Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 I'm sure a dev will come along and clear that rumour up, as a matter of fact, I'll see what I an clear out for you guys *copies and sends to a dev* Stand Your Convictions and You Will Walk Alone.
Plooby Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 I'm sure a dev will come along and clear that rumour up, as a matter of fact, I'll see what I an clear out for you guys *copies and sends to a dev* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *waits patiently* "
Darth Jebus Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 I dunno about three development teams at Obsidian. I mean, that just sounds expensive for the company at this stage of the game. Obsidian is off to a great start with KOTOR 2 in the eyes of the video gaming industry, but they are still a fledgedling company, ya know? IMO, it makes sense that they started off with a KOTOR game. Instant name recognition and a worldwide following with the Star Wars license. To follow that game up with NWN 2 made even more sense to me. And I think after the success of NWN 2, Obsidian will the have the forthwithal to take on a third or fourth game that will be their own IP, while hiring another team to work on another licensed project. It just makes good business sense. Do a couple no-misses that are safe with huge international fan bases to get your feet planted solidly on the ground, and then go off and do your own thing. I think Obisidian's going to be around for a good long while.
Camael Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 I think they could manage 3 teams, and if they can consistantly land big projects, they should be able to cover those costs. Maybe just a couple people working full time on their own IP. A year ago on the RPG Codex forums, Feargus said something I found interesting ... " ...I've been thinking a lot about game that we are going to make and maybe some small games that we'll make and publish ourselves..." I think that is a cool idea. I would rather have a big game than a small game, but it would have a shorter development cycle, and it would surely be a unique Obsidian IP - so I hope they are still considering something like that. Maybe a smaller 3rd development team could work on something like that.
Judge Hades Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Well, I rather be playing a Obsidian original than a Bioware castoff.
Laozi Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I'm thinking a video game version of the classic game hungry hungry hippos, it could be online and everything, you'd just need a huge budget to develope "realistic" marbles People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
BicycleOfDeath Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Update: That post about SW: KotOR III being well in developement = Smelly, smelly, foul, rumour. Please remember to conserve toilet tissue by only using one sheet at a time. Also, from what I understand, Lucas Arts decided to take the project for themselves, then selved it after layoffs. *cracks a whip* Stand Your Convictions and You Will Walk Alone.
Musopticon? Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Well, I rather be playing a Obsidian original than a Bioware castoff. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't we all? Let your talent show, devs. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
jaguars4ever Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I think they could manage 3 teams, and if they can consistantly land big projects, they should be able to cover those costs. Maybe just a couple people working full time on their own IP. A year ago on the RPG Codex forums, Feargus said something I found interesting ... " ...I've been thinking a lot about game that we are going to make and maybe some small games that we'll make and publish ourselves..." I think that is a cool idea. I would rather have a big game than a small game, but it would have a shorter development cycle, and it would surely be a unique Obsidian IP - so I hope they are still considering something like that. Maybe a smaller 3rd development team could work on something like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Even though I'd love to play an Obsidian IP, there's truth in what you say. After all, we've all seen what happens when a newbie company overextend themselves with ambitious IP's....without first establishing themselves as an RPG powerhouse.
Gorth Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Update: That post about SW: KotOR III being well in developement = Smelly, smelly, foul, rumour. Please remember to conserve toilet tissue by only using one sheet at a time. Also, from what I understand, Lucas Arts decided to take the project for themselves, then selved it after layoffs. *cracks a whip* That would explain the weird garbled messages about Kotor3. LA did plan to do it themselves, hence the rumours that it would be made, but the team got the kick while Obsidian was busy making Kotor2, hence, it's not currently planned and thats the most likely status now. How many "teams" does Obsidian currently have, one ? Just curious. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Brannart Posted February 1, 2005 Posted February 1, 2005 Also, from what I understand, Lucas Arts decided to take the project for themselves, then selved it after layoffs. *cracks a whip* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And for that I am eternally grateful. The only game I want to see developed by LA is Monkey Island 5 " Why would they try to do Kotor III in house anyway?
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted February 1, 2005 Posted February 1, 2005 Why would they try to do Kotor III in house anyway? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because then they get to keep all the profits. All the next gen developement is very hush hush. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Brannart Posted February 1, 2005 Posted February 1, 2005 Because then they get to keep all the profits. All the next gen developement is very hush hush. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but they would also have to pay all the overhead. You are talking about developement for next gen consoles?
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