Barzarel Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 with the help of obiwan of course <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ask your self Who you know of Jedi without more than a Few month training could accomplish as much as luke skywalker, even resisting the Dark side when both the sith master and his father tried to turn him. And then tell me if Yoda or obiwan is more deserving of the top than luke skywalker?
GarethCarrots Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Fully agreed! 900 years old Yoda proved to be weaker than 80 year old Palpi. Luke had purest heart of them all and succeded, he alone brought galaxy to the New Era. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yoda had the purest heart as far as im concerned, he didnt go on a journey down the darkside that he was unaware of unlike luke. so best jedi, on moraleness as well as power is only ever gunna b yoda
Barzarel Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Fully agreed! 900 years old Yoda proved to be weaker than 80 year old Palpi. Luke had purest heart of them all and succeded, he alone brought galaxy to the New Era. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yoda had the purest heart as far as im concerned, he didnt go on a journey down the darkside that he was unaware of unlike luke. so best jedi, on moraleness as well as power is only ever gunna b yoda <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you know that for sure, we dont know if Yoda in his early years as padawan wasent tempted by the DS, you have to remember how little training luke skywalker got and how much he did with it. He resisted sure he was tempted but it was two sith lords one being his father trying to tempt him, and he was also in a tight position where he thought the republic might not prevail and destroy the Death star. I think Luke resisted dark side very well considering how short training he had and the situation he was in.
darth_nemisis Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 I had to pick Mace Windu, master of Vapaad.
GarethCarrots Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 from what we know yoda never put a foot wrong, what we do know is that luke went on a ten year darkside trip that he wasnt even aware, with consequences like the kyp durron saga, therefore yoda is a better jedi however i would say luke was more powerful
Nur Ab Sal Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 It is Yoda who allow palpi to gain emergency powers, he was an old fool who believed in vatican-like celibate HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.
Barzarel Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 from what we know yoda never put a foot wrong, what we do know is that luke went on a ten year darkside trip that he wasnt even aware, with consequences like the kyp durron saga, therefore yoda is a better jedi however i would say luke was more powerful <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yoda was very aggressive in ep2 just seeing dooku playing around with 2 jedi's, so given Luke had to deal with both his feelings of love forward his father, and possible seeing all his friends being killed of by the empire, i think situation was a little different. Alot of things can affect you down the Dark path even thou your unaware Darkside aura can corrupt you alone. And sure it easy for Yoda to have a clean and pure heart if he avoids dealing with problems, did you ever see him interviene with Anakin when he was starting down the Dark path even as he knew it. One with pure heart wouldnt stand by passive while a fellow jedi is in hurt and do nothing at all.
Nur Ab Sal Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 I think Yoda was very proud in ep2 HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.
Judge Hades Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 It would be the one in KotOR 2 since he can go to 30 level and the others were at most 19th to 20th.
GarethCarrots Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 to answer both nur and barzazel if you didnt realise yoda was in the end aware of what was going on and new that he had to let anakin fall to the sith and then overthrow palpatine to fullfil the chosen one prophesy that shows that yoda wasnt indecisive or blind, and as far him believing in celibacy nur prove it, i think u just pulled that one from thin air
Nur Ab Sal Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Read the comics and you'll understand whole portrait of Yoda. HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.
Barzarel Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 to answer both nur and barzazel if you didnt realise yoda was in the end aware of what was going on and new that he had to let anakin fall to the sith and then overthrow palpatine to fullfil the chosen one prophesy that shows that yoda wasnt indecisive or blind, and as far him believing in celibacy nur prove it, i think u just pulled that one from thin air <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So he could say to Luke that he is the Jedi's last hope yes it all makes sense!
GarethCarrots Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 read the comics i mite, and luke wudnt of been his last hope regardless of my last post dumbo!
Barzarel Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 read the comics i mite, and luke wudnt of been his last hope regardless of my last post dumbo! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Depends, a student without good guidance is likely to fall to the DS so even if Leia could have become a Jedi it wouldnt have turned out well, and i think that Luke was their last hope was pointed out really well so i dont see the Dumpo in that. And Yoda couldnt possible know that Anakin was meant to fall to the DS he couldnt even see the force will alot of the times because the DS clouded it.
Judge Hades Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Maybe Yoda had to get a little dark to see clearly.
Nur Ab Sal Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Exactly. I think Yoda had his own problems with darkside. HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.
GarethCarrots Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 'hope' look it up. then you will realise that nethin could be considered a hope, heck if u rele wanted to u could consider an astral squirrel the last hope to defeatin vader. but hey this is a deadend argument, lets agree to disagree
starwarskid15_19 Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 i voted luke even though obi is my favourite. luke rebuilt the order and confronted the sith which neither obi-wan or yoda had the courage to do. yoda is one of my favs too but he was having struggles with the ds i think in ep. 2 otherwise he would have seeked anakin out after the tattooine incident and helped him. maybe overcoming his own temptation made him the good teacher he was in ep 5 and 6 the force is what gives a jedi his power. its an energy field created by all living things. it surrounds us and penetrates us. it binds the galaxy together
213374U Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Funny how you guys are not voting the Jedi you like better, but to which you think is the most uber munchkin - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Jad'en Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Qui-Gon Jin, he understood what it was all about... he wasnt powerful, he was opinionated, and smelt of gungan as he died, but he still was just a dude!
Master Furon Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Mace Windu, hes VII form is just great, and of cource great jedi master.
Savage Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 I said Yoda is probably top, but I like Revan most.
DSLuke Posted November 27, 2004 Author Posted November 27, 2004 Well it seems that not many people understood why Luke was great. Even if he didn't have the awesome command of the Force that he does he still would be the one to revive the Jedi after the surge.. Also the fact that he defeated Darth Vader and Sidious with so little trainning and without really using the Force implies that he was also a great thinker and could see things better than the previous Jedi. And by the light of the moon He prays for their beauty not doom
Laozi Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 i voted luke even though obi is my favourite. luke rebuilt the order and confronted the sith which neither obi-wan or yoda had the courage to do.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ya because Vader ended up in that suit because he thought it was slick. " Based on the movies, which especially in this case are the only things worth discussing, I'd say Luke, he toppled a Galatic Empire that controlled almost the whole of the galaxy, and defeated the two most powerful force users of his time. No one else in the entire Star Wars universe can even come close to this, training or no. As far as the "perfect knight" I'd say an old Obi-Won. He seemed to be quite different in ANH then in the prequals, and I'm pretty sure that was the point of his character, years of solitude seemed to really change both him and Yoda People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
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