Ukraine Conflict - In the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war!

[Elerond]

10 minutes ago, majestic said:

 

 

Have to disagree here, Professor Michaels. Even so much as printing any sensitive material on a public printer in a hotel is a breach of security. We have tighter security checks at work. 

I am not sure if they take security seriously, as they are handling classified documents in public wifi,which we know because in order to use public printer in hotel they need to connect in hotel's public wifi.

I am pretty sure that they can't make that wifi secure even with secure vpn, but instead all the communication has been quite easy to access by any spy that has seen little effort

[uuuhhii]

remember when usa fired people oversee their nuclear arsenal

that happened this year 

[Zoraptor]

It's all Elon's fault, one of his cost cutting measures via DOGE was getting rid of all and any secure portable printers.

Mind you, the subscription to HP was doubling the budget deficit.

10 hours ago, HoonDing said:

Did Vladimir say "thank you" even once?

Heh. Five times more than that ingrate Volodomyr.

via the transcript:

"I would like to thank once again my American counterpart, for the proposal to travel out here to Alaska."

"We're thankful to the citizens and the government of the U.S. for carefully taking care of their memory."

"I would like to thank President Trump for our joint work, for the well wishing and trustworthy tone of our conversation."

"Thank you. Thank you."

[BruceVC]

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/crlzey2j406o 

 

What a completely different and positive  meeting with Trump compared to the disaster in February, the EU and Zelensky should be very happy with the outcome which was expected considering the number of prominent EU leaders who attended

Zelensky had clearly been prepped around how to engage with Trump and this included

 

• he was smartly dressed and he received a compliment from a  right-wing journalist
• he thanked Trump and the US on several occasions
• he presented  a personal letter to Trumps wife who cares about the reality of the thousands of kidnapped Ukrainian children. This went down very well with Trump, he likes this personal touch
• Zelensky avoided responding in too much detail around his expectations when asked certain questions

 

Trump was also much more relaxed and complimentary to both Ukraine and the EU leaders who travelled to the US. He joked about several things

But key takeaways which we have to wait and see how these things unfold

 

• the US would be involved in a peace keeping role in Ukraine  in some form with the EU. This  would be part of the peace negotiation agreements around security guarantees for Ukraine 
• Trump wants to arrange a Putin and Zelensky direct meeting
• Trump believes Putin will make compromises
• The US is selling Ukraine an additional $90 billion in weapons

 

I do think we are some distance off to this war ending but this was a very constructive engagement with both Russia and Ukraine and a good step in the right direction

For me it highlights again the global influence  and agency of the US, it really is the only country that can bring the likes of Russia and Ukraine with the EU to the negotiating table in a significant way

[Elerond]

11 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/crlzey2j406o 

 

What a completely different and positive  meeting with Trump compared to the disaster in February, the EU and Zelensky should be very happy with the outcome which was expected considering the number of prominent EU leaders who attended

Zelensky had clearly been prepped around how to engage with Trump and this included

 

• he was smartly dressed and he received a compliment from a  right-wing journalist
• he thanked Trump and the US on several occasions
• he presented  a personal letter to Trumps wife who cares about the reality of the thousands of kidnapped Ukrainian children. This went down very well with Trump, he likes this personal touch
• Zelensky avoided responding in too much detail around his expectations when asked certain questions

 

Trump was also much more relaxed and complimentary to both Ukraine and the EU leaders who travelled to the US. He joked about several things

But key takeaways which we have to wait and see how these things unfold

 

• the US would be involved in a peace keeping role in Ukraine  in some form with the EU. This  would be part of the peace negotiation agreements around security guarantees for Ukraine 
• Trump wants to arrange a Putin and Zelensky direct meeting
• Trump believes Putin will make compromises
• The US is selling Ukraine an additional $90 billion in weapons

 

I do think we are some distance off to this war ending but this was a very constructive engagement with both Russia and Ukraine and a good step in the right direction

For me it highlights again the global influence  and agency of the US, it really is the only country that can bring the likes of Russia and Ukraine with the EU to the negotiating table in a significant way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/19/european-leaders-ukraine-russia-trump

Trump told today that US will not be taken part on peace keeping or even give actual security guarantees for Ukraine, meaning that no US troops will be send in any situation in Ukraine according to him.

[Zoraptor]

That always seemed to be a bit of a deliberate? misinterpretation of the NATO/ Article 5 like statement from Witkoff, given Trump said categorically there would be no NATO membership. A guarantee from the 'coalition of the willing' plus the US would effectively be NATO, plus Japan/ NZ/ AUS/ Palau/ FSM/ Nauru/ El Salvador/ Argentina/ and maybe ROK. And that would not seem likely to be a starter in any way shape or form for the Russians.

 

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, Elerond said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/19/european-leaders-ukraine-russia-trump

Trump told today that US will not be taken part on peace keeping or even give actual security guarantees for Ukraine, meaning that no US troops will be send in any situation in Ukraine according to him.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/19/what-security-guarantees-might-ukraine-get-in-return-for-a-peace-deal

The US doesnt need to deploy " boots on the ground " to support the EU in security guarantees for Ukraine 

End of the day this is a proposed US\Trump peace plan and we need to see how it unfolds and what is agreed on

"Trump has promised to coordinate a Europe-led peacekeeping operation in Ukraine. “When it comes to security, there’s going to be a lot of help,” he said on Monday, sitting next to Zelenskyy in the Oval Office. The US president made clear European countries would be expected to carry most of the burden. “They are a first line of defence because they’re there. But we’ll help them out,” he said.

Ukraine wants to buy $90bn worth of US weapons and says they could form part of the security guarantee. Overall, however, Trump has been vague about how much the US would contribute. He has ruled out Ukraine’s membership of Nato, which Kyiv believes would be the best deterrent against a future Russian onslaught. There seems no prospect the US would send its own troops to take part in a peace-keeping mission. One more realistic option would be for the Pentagon to provide logistical support to a proposed “sky shield”. The plan envisages an air protection zone in the west and the centre of Ukraine, including over the capital Kyiv, enforced by European fighter jets. "

 

 

 

 

[Elerond]

1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/19/what-security-guarantees-might-ukraine-get-in-return-for-a-peace-deal

The US doesnt need to deploy " boots on the ground " to support the EU in security guarantees for Ukraine 

End of the day this is a proposed US\Trump peace plan and we need to see how it unfolds and what is agreed on

"Trump has promised to coordinate a Europe-led peacekeeping operation in Ukraine. “When it comes to security, there’s going to be a lot of help,” he said on Monday, sitting next to Zelenskyy in the Oval Office. The US president made clear European countries would be expected to carry most of the burden. “They are a first line of defence because they’re there. But we’ll help them out,” he said.

Ukraine wants to buy $90bn worth of US weapons and says they could form part of the security guarantee. Overall, however, Trump has been vague about how much the US would contribute. He has ruled out Ukraine’s membership of Nato, which Kyiv believes would be the best deterrent against a future Russian onslaught. There seems no prospect the US would send its own troops to take part in a peace-keeping mission. One more realistic option would be for the Pentagon to provide logistical support to a proposed “sky shield”. The plan envisages an air protection zone in the west and the centre of Ukraine, including over the capital Kyiv, enforced by European fighter jets. "

Security gurantees need willinges to send troops otherwise they aren't security gurantees.

Selling weapons does not work as security gurantee, it is just way to make amrs trade look better. 

Logistical support for European jets could make security gurantees by some European countries easier, but mostly that is empty talk as USA does not have logistical capacity in the area where those jets needs to operate and USA does not have plans to have logistical capacity there.

So USA will not provide any security gurantees for Ukraine in Trumps current pland.