US Presidential Elections - 2024 edition

[Elerond]

1 hour ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

Also interesting how Harris lost every swing state while the dem senators held on, with the possible exception of Pennsylvania.

In Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin got 1,672,394 votes - Harris got 1,667,852 , so at least 4,542 people that voted Baldwin did not vote Harris

In Michigan  Harris got 2,720,831 votes -  Elisa Slotkin got 2,705,115 votes, so at least 15,716 Harris voters didn't vote Slotkin

In Pennsylvania Harris got 3,352,343  votes - Bob Casey got 3,314,888 vote, at least 37,455 Harris voters didn't vote Casey, if all Harris voters would have voted Casey, Casey would have won. 

Some reason quite lot Trump voters didn't vote any senate candidate, which is clear indication of voter fraud 

Edited November 8 by Elerond

[HoonDing]

[BruceVC]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/doj-charges-three-iranian-plot-to-kill-donald-trump/index.html

 

An update on the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump and yet some still ask the question " in what way is Iran an enemy to the US "

[Also gorgon]

You sound like Trump going "you know a lot of people are saying". 

 

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/doj-charges-three-iranian-plot-to-kill-donald-trump/index.html

 

An update on the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump and yet some still ask the question " in what way is Iran an enemy to the US "

"There are few actors in the world that pose as grave a threat to the national security of the United States as does Iran,”"

Sure, I mean there are few actors in the first place but this overrates them.  Well we'll see, everyone wants the US to have mad dog approach where they just use their vast might it seems.

 

[rjshae]

4 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/doj-charges-three-iranian-plot-to-kill-donald-trump/index.html

 

An update on the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump and yet some still ask the question " in what way is Iran an enemy to the US "

What this does demonstrate is that Iran is an enemy of DJT. His actions ensured that would be the case. It's unclear whether relations with Iran would have become more normalized without DJT's antagonistic intervention. But I like to think they were starting to trend in a positive direction prior to 2017. Now we're likely in for more decades of (possibly unnecessary) hostility. It will take a new generation of leaders to cool things down.

[BruceVC]

10 hours ago, rjshae said:

What this does demonstrate is that Iran is an enemy of DJT. His actions ensured that would be the case. It's unclear whether relations with Iran would have become more normalized without DJT's antagonistic intervention. But I like to think they were starting to trend in a positive direction prior to 2017. Now we're likely in for more decades of (possibly unnecessary) hostility. It will take a new generation of leaders to cool things down.

Current Iranian leadership has a history of antagonism towards the US since its revolution, its been going on for decades 

They have   been  killing US soldiers in various ME regions directly like in Iraq 2003  where Quds special forces got involved in that war or through Iranian  proxies long before Trump  ever thought he would become a politician

And then they  dislike the US even more because of its support of Israel and thats because of the historical tension  between Iran and Israel where the US is often referred to as the "Great Satan "  and Iran doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist 

Trump is not the reason for the tension between the US and Iran, it goes back much longer than that and is influenced by several other reasons

 

 

 

 

 

[BruceVC]

15 hours ago, Malcador said:

"There are few actors in the world that pose as grave a threat to the national security of the United States as does Iran,”"

Sure, I mean there are few actors in the first place but this overrates them.  Well we'll see, everyone wants the US to have mad dog approach where they just use their vast might it seems.

 

Yes this is definitely an exaggeration, Iran is a  threat to US interests in the ME but its  not a grave threat 

 

 

[Elerond]

8 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Current Iranian leadership has a history of antagonism towards the US since its revolution, its been going on for decades 

Iranian hostility towards US can be traced here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Of course during the road there has been quite lot of back and worth to build the hostility more.

As side note not surprisingly reason behind the coup was that democratically elected Iranian government had decided to nationalize Anglo-Persian Oil Company which British saw as stealing from them so they first wanted to invade Iran, but ended to up to organize coup after USA refused to give military support. 

[Guard Dog]

I just dropped in to take my victory lap. I believe I predicted the 47th President of the United States would be a complete idiot who has no business being put in charge of anything? Nailed it!

Of course that was a bet I really couldn't lose!

[rjshae]

For DJT's second term, I'm expecting a lot of sturm und drang, but not a lot of accomplishment. In terms of foreign policy, there will be nothing that he accomplishes which will make up for losing Ukraine. He's going in to that situation with a weak negotiating position vs. Putin, and Russia will get nearly all of what they want. A halt to hostilities will allow Russia to re-arm and prepare for the final takeover. Hostilities with Iran will continue, and relations with US allies will sour thanks to his "bull in a china shop" diplomacy.

DJT's efforts to apply tariffs will increase costs for consumers, particularly those with a low income, and may be inflationary. His work to end the ACA and to "reform" medicare will result in fewer people with health insurance, and a lowering of life expectancy. He'll curb efforts to reduce climate change, which at best will only slow down the transformation to a renewable energy economy. If he deploys troops to round up illegal immigrants, it may severely disrupt the economy and increase costs for consumers.

[uuuhhii]

4 hours ago, rjshae said:

For DJT's second term, I'm expecting a lot of sturm und drang, but not a lot of accomplishment. In terms of foreign policy, there will be nothing that he accomplishes which will make up for losing Ukraine. He's going in to that situation with a weak negotiating position vs. Putin, and Russia will get nearly all of what they want. A halt to hostilities will allow Russia to re-arm and prepare for the final takeover. Hostilities with Iran will continue, and relations with US allies will sour thanks to his "bull in a china shop" diplomacy.

DJT's efforts to apply tariffs will increase costs for consumers, particularly those with a low income, and may be inflationary. His work to end the ACA and to "reform" medicare will result in fewer people with health insurance, and a lowering of life expectancy. He'll curb efforts to reduce climate change, which at best will only slow down the transformation to a renewable energy economy. If he deploys troops to round up illegal immigrants, it may severely disrupt the economy and increase costs for consumers.

 

would be pretty funny if it end up seven years war style

tariff is pure idiocy

pretty bad precedent to set if the someone can yell 100 percent tariff on everyone their way into victory

[melkathi]

On 11/9/2024 at 4:39 PM, BruceVC said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/doj-charges-three-iranian-plot-to-kill-donald-trump/index.html

 

An update on the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump and yet some still ask the question " in what way is Iran an enemy to the US "

Brought to us by the same people who had proof of WMDs in Iraq but no proof of human rights violations by Israel.

Yeah, I do not see how anyone can take anything coming out of the US seriously anymore.

[Zoraptor]

Brought to you by the same legal system that holds Iran responsible for the 9/11 attacks too.

[BruceVC]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c079m9mxx1no

Trump has confirmed 2 appointments 

Tom Homan will be border tsar and he previously worked for ICE and I imagine  he will be very effective at  addressing the border crisis and deporting illegal migrants. And Trump needs to be effective on this policy considering the promises he made to US citizens 

"  In a post on his Truth Social platform, Trump said Homan would be "in charge of our Nation’s Borders (“The Border Czar”), including, but not limited to, the Southern Border, the Northern Border, all Maritime, and Aviation Security".

He continued: "Likewise, Tom Homan will be in charge of all Deportation of Illegal Aliens back to their Country of Origin. Congratulations to Tom. I have no doubt he will do a fantastic, and long awaited for, job."

One of Trump's major campaign pledges was to deport immigrants who are in the US illegally. " 

And then Elise Stefanik will be UN  ambassador, she did a good job at identifying and  calling out  the double standards at various US universities after 7 October where Jewish students were subjected to rampant anti-Semitism and intimidation. And these were the same universities who for years  had been telling us the importance of Universities being "safe spaces "  where students mustn't be bullied or intimidated

Im not  sure how good she will be as the UN ambassador but lets see?

And I really like Susie Wiles as WH chief of staff, she is highly respected and apparently told Trump she would only take the job if " the clown car can’t come into the White House at will "  and Trump agreed 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-susie-wiles-election-administration-b2644282.html

 

 

[Malcador]

Guess we're set for 4 years of Stefanik whining about the UN, as if the US has no role to play in making it what it is now.

[BruceVC]

24 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Guess we're set for 4 years of Stefanik whining about the UN, as if the US has no role to play in making it what it is now.

It will be interesting to see what she complains about at the UN?

I can guess but I would rather wait and see

Also people dont always last  there time under Trump, he can  be  very capricious like that and prone to mood swings and people lose favor quickly 

 

 

 

 

[Hurlshort]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Guess we're set for 4 years of Stefanik whining about the UN, as if the US has no role to play in making it what it is now.

Hah, like anyone in his cabinet will make 4 years. 1 year is about the max before the quit and write a memior. 

[Malcador]

4 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

Hah, like anyone in his cabinet will make 4 years. 1 year is about the max before the quit and write a memior. 

Who knows. I see a lot of optimism that he's changed and things will be better.  Or that Wiles has him trained

The former is puzzling to the point of being disingenuous.

[uuuhhii]

58 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Who knows. I see a lot of optimism that he's changed and things will be better.  Or that Wiles has him trained

The former is puzzling to the point of being disingenuous.

 

obviously it is disingenuous

same way people need alcohol at the start of their shift to last the entire shift

can not keep going without lying to oneself

[Malcador]

 

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

 

There is definitely a debate to be had about BEE, AA and DEI and cases where white people have been discriminated against. I posted the story in the UK about the air-force and the discriminatory hiring practices that were exposed 

Its complicated and wont apply in all cases but I can believe there would be cases of real discrimination against white people in the US

In South Africa its ongoing  about something different because we  have lots of  allegations  of BEE not creating opportunities for the majority  of black people but rather enriching the same small black minority because they get the public sector  tenders. So it doesnt help address inequality or distribute or create wealth if the same black companies get all the business. But its not as simple as that because we have limited companies who can respond to tenders and meet the criteria, thats just the reality

So it doesnt seem fair to say  the same   black companies get most of the public sector tenders if they are  the only ones who can respond, its not there fault more companies dont exist?

And you need to be BEE compliant to get tenders 

 

[BruceVC]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4985802-trump-cabinet-nominees-second-term/

Here is summary of Trumps nominations so far.  I like some of them and I dont know others but its more or less predictable based on Trumps policies he committed

The most interesting nomination is "Trump announced that Musk, a billionaire backer, and Ramaswamy, a former primary rival who endorsed Trump earlier this year, would lead an effort to slash government spending and regulations. They are expected to conclude their work by July 4, 2026, just a few months before the midterm elections. Trump said the effort would partner with the Office of Management and Budget, but would provide guidance from “outside of Government.” Musk in particular has extensive financial holdings with government contractors that could complicate an official government job."

Musk is a genius and very successful businessmen but it remains to be seen how effective he will be around this public sector role?

 

 

 

[uuuhhii]

pathetic victim complex want to be coddled

nothing new

[Gorth]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4985802-trump-cabinet-nominees-second-term/

Here is summary of Trumps nominations so far.  I like some of them and I dont know others but its more or less predictable based on Trumps policies he committed

The most interesting nomination is "Trump announced that Musk, a billionaire backer, and Ramaswamy, a former primary rival who endorsed Trump earlier this year, would lead an effort to slash government spending and regulations.

A bit of mutual back scratching. Musk purchased votes for Trump and Trump gives Musk a role where he can crack down on workers rights to make Tesla more profitable...

 

The BBC had that story too

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cnvjr42yq39t

"Donald Trump appoints Elon Musk to 'efficiency' role and Fox News host as defence secretary"...

You can't make this stuff up

 

At least Musk, unlike Trump, is a successful businessman regardless of what else (nothing of it nice) can be said about him.