BruceVC Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Voting is over, I have never seen such lines and participation in an election and its a sign of the belief in people wanting to see political change and have there voice heard I ended up voting at 8:40pm and I still waited 40 minutes. You can join the line up to 9pm but not after that Whatever the outcome is this is entire election is an example of the belief that most South Africans have in the principle and foundation of Democracy which is about the right to vote in a free and fair election and for citizens to influence leadership change through the ballot box This is something that doesnt exist in countries like Russia and it never existed in South Africa until 1994 and the right to vote freely should never be taken for granted "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
majestic Posted May 30 Posted May 30 https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/05/30/trump-guilty-crime-felony-what-happens-next.html So sad, this injustice in this country and this witch hunt. Doing my best Beavis and Butthead laugh impression right now. He hehe he. 3 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Bartimaeus Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) Trump has been convicted on all 34 felony charges of his hush money / election interference trial. (e): Damn it, sniped by literally like one second. Oh, it looks like the Associated Press website died anyways. Don't know if because of the news or if just coincidence... Edited May 30 by Bartimaeus 2 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Lexx Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Please send him to jail. 1 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Malcador Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Going to be fun watching right wing spaces tonight Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Bartimaeus Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Just now, Lexx said: Please send him to jail. From what I read, sentencing may take a few weeks, and it's not clear as of yet what kind of sentencing there may be given the extraordinary circumstances. This particular judge seems to rather explicitly hold Trump in contempt, but...again, extraordinary circumstances. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Lexx Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Let's be real, he will be ordered to pay some little bits of money and then this thing is over. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Bartimaeus Posted May 30 Posted May 30 10 minutes ago, Lexx said: Let's be real, he will be ordered to pay some little bits of money and then this thing is over. He'll never be indicted, he'll never sit for trial, he'll never be convicted, he'll never see the inside of a prison cell... Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Gfted1 Posted May 30 Posted May 30 2 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Bartimaeus Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) In all honesty, even though it IS 34 felonies, they're all the least serious type of felonies, and they're all for the same crime. Even though each charge carries a maximum of 4 years of prison, it's not completely unusual to avoid any prison time here. But sentencing (now announced as June 10th July 11th) is left up to the discretion of the judge and what they feel is appropriate given the general conduct of the defendant throughout the trial (as well as post-trial) as well as other considerations, such as whether it's a consistent pattern of criminal behavior. Really, all bets are off as to exactly what the sentencing will be. Edited May 30 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted May 30 Posted May 30 I guess felons are gonna get the right to vote in Florida. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Bartimaeus Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said: I guess felons are gonna get the right to vote in Florida. For state charges, Florida defers to the state where the convicted criminal felon has been criminally convicted as a convicted criminal felon...criminally, as to whether they're allowed to exercise their right to vote as a convicted criminal felon as a result of their criminal felon conviction. So in this particular case, Donald Trump the convicted criminal felon would be allowed to vote, as a convicted criminal felon, in Florida, because his criminal felon conviction occurred in New York, where criminally convicted felons are still allowed to vote with criminal felon convictions. Woof, sorry, that was a mouthful, but I couldn't think of any other possible way to word it. Edited May 30 by Bartimaeus 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Hurlshort Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Would be cool if the Republican Party leadership wasn't completely inept and they decided to push him off the ballot. It seems weird because they would win the presidency with a different candidate, but I guess they are worried about losing their own seats. Crazy time. 1
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted May 31 Posted May 31 53 minutes ago, Bartimaeus said: For state charges, Florida defers to the state where the convicted criminal felon has been criminally convicted as a convicted criminal felon...criminally, as to whether they're allowed to exercise their right to vote as a convicted criminal felon as a result of their criminal felon conviction. So in this particular case, Donald Trump the convicted criminal felon would be allowed to vote, as a convicted criminal felon, in Florida, because his criminal felon conviction occurred in New York, where criminally convicted felons are still allowed to vote with criminal felon convictions. Woof, sorry, that was a mouthful, but I couldn't think of any other possible way to word it. Well that's what I get for making a joke without knowing Florida law. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Gorth Posted May 31 Posted May 31 45 minutes ago, Hurlshort said: Would be cool if the Republican Party leadership wasn't completely inept and they decided to push him off the ballot. It seems weird because they would win the presidency with a different candidate, but I guess they are worried about losing their own seats. Crazy time. Isn't that what you get as a politician if you put all your eggs in one basket... and the basket turns out to be a basket case? Personally, I see that as karma for being followers rather than a leaders, despite marketing yourself as society's leaders. Sometimes the path of least resistance is a dead end... Edit: That last one actually sounded quite nice, have to remember that, if I think I need to sound profound some day 2 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Bartimaeus Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Hurlshort said: Would be cool if the Republican Party leadership wasn't completely inept and they decided to push him off the ballot. It seems weird because they would win the presidency with a different candidate, but I guess they are worried about losing their own seats. Crazy time. The Trump party leadership unilaterally deciding to kick Trump off the ballot would lead to both a total collapse of the current party structure (i.e. themselves, the leadership) as well as electoral disaster, neither of which the Trump party, in its own self-preserving interest, wants any part of. I feel confident in saying that the old Republican guard is largely just hoping that they can outlast Trump one way or another without ever having "betrayed" him - that's why, over the years, you've even seen cracks in the wall here and there, such as after January 6th, where Republican party leaders did actually attempt to pivot away...before quickly realizing that no, even that still wasn't enough to turn their core voting base against him, and attempting to pull further away would only endanger themselves instead. Powerful cults of personality do not leave easy/feasible ways of getting out once they've taken hold, and they signed an unbreakable deal with the devil by embracing Trump that they're now reaping the rotten fruits from. Edited May 31 by Bartimaeus 1 2 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
uuuhhii Posted May 31 Posted May 31 enjoy the pleasant weather now while it last will only get worse every year 1
BruceVC Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 Im ecstatic with the final South African voting results my party the DA, Democratic alliance, maintained control of the Western Cape and gained in the National vote. We on 22.7%. We the anti-Russian,anti-BRICS, pro-West party and the Western Cape is the only province that passes the auditor-general report around municipalities and service delivery the ANC for the first time in 30 years got less than 50% of the national vote and they on 41% and the best news is the racist, anti-white, socialist pro-Russian party the EFF lost national votes and they down to 9.3 %. It doesnt matter about coalitions because no radical left\socialist party has the support to change the Constitution which is always my greatest concern, you need 66% to do this The ANC will need a party with 9% to govern to get to 50% majority but its irrelevant who they choose because they cant make any permanent and destructive Constitutional changes. So the ANC will predictably continue to govern but with no more majority. And Im very happy with that, Im not anti-ANC on certain things. Im just anti-ANC dominance because it has created a culture around political impunity around dealing with corruption and ensuring governance and accountability But Im very happy with the final results, the ANC getting way less than 50% and the EFF becoming even more irrelevant and the DA increasing its support And before this election some political commentators were grandstanding and " predicting " the DA would lose support because we not " pro-Palestinian" and because of the so called flag burning incident. And neither of those allegations was true or accurate But most South Africans voted on the expected domestic issues like the economy, crime and failure service delivery. And 65% of the DA vote is people of colour which is critical for political success in a country where white people are only 6.5% of the total population 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Gorth Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Split off from old thread.... JuiceMedia's analysis of the state of Democracy around the world (warning, depressing news) 1 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
HoonDing Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Is AWB no longer around in South Africa? Who's protecting the rights of Afrikaners? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
BruceVC Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 16 hours ago, HoonDing said: Is AWB no longer around in South Africa? Who's protecting the rights of Afrikaners? No we havent had a active right-wing movement like the AWB for decades.They still exist but you never hear from them Afrikaners rights are protected the same way as all minorities, in the Constitution But there is also a more Afrikaans party called Freedom Front Plus but they represent more farmers rights and they got 1.4% of total votes Most Afrikaners would have voted for the DA "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 17 hours ago, Gorth said: Split off from old thread.... JuiceMedia's analysis of the state of Democracy around the world (warning, depressing news) Classic and hilarious Juice Media and its what they do well. There videos always the same, some truth or accurate observations and then humour and exaggeration I love the US view " we prepared to defend our Democracy against terrorists , Commies and even aliens " Once point that is valid and I have raised this concern is we tend to take the principles and foundation of Democracy for granted and you can have this being undermined and eroded because of government policy in any country because of a change in policy from a more extreme left or right wing government. But it generally requires Constitutional change in all our countries but its still something that should concern all of us So just being able to vote in a free and fair election is something we should appreciate and realize it needs to be protected So when you hear about Democratically elected governments in Africa being overthrown by military coups this should concern us all. But many people dont really care because they think its about " French Colonialism being ended " "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Gorth Posted June 2 Posted June 2 I think a lot of “democratically” elected governments gets toppled by either military coups or uprisings because of rampant corruption… i.e. being “democratic regimes” in name only, not functionally. No easy fixes for deep rooted cultural problems 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
BruceVC Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 20 minutes ago, Gorth said: I think a lot of “democratically” elected governments gets toppled by either military coups or uprisings because of rampant corruption… i.e. being “democratic regimes” in name only, not functionally. No easy fixes for deep rooted cultural problems Im not sure what examples of military coups you referring to but if its recent coups of the 6-7 African countries the problems in these countries is no reason to justify a military coup or believe corruption is going to end because the military is in charge These African governments were elected in free and fair elections as far as they can in the context of new Democracies in Africa. They failed to maintain security effectively against Jihadist groups and so did the French military intervention but the security situation hasnt changed since the military took power and in some of these countries the military has been in power for years We also have rampant corruption and security problems in South Africa but that doesnt mean the military should take over our Parliament And predictably the military leadership in Burkina Faso said " we will restore Democratic rule 1 July 2024 " and Mali was suppose to be February 2024 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5117d8kz16o And guess what? They have ignored this pledge and they staying power because these coups are about that Its about taking power in an undemocratic way and staying in power irrespective of the future for the country and its citizens. When has a military coup in Africa ever actually benefited the majority of its citizens? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
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