Ukraine Conflict - Continues

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Sarex said:

I mean is it any different in the US?

If the US were in a situation where they needed men like Russia does, would be by income level rather than ethnicity.  Probably would be a useful thing to include in the graphic, as well as the ethnic break downs of the part of the map. But Russia is evil, etc. etc.

[Zoraptor]

51 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

Maybe during the Vietnam war, but without a draft, most US recruits are coming from the middle class and are predominately white. 

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military#chapter-title-0-7

So uh, no. Your statement hold no merit.

Yeah, I don't agree with Sarex here but cfr is a tad biased towards buffing the US' reputation. Middle quintiles is not the recognised definition of middle class, well, anywhere; middle class is top quartile, in terms of income. That's a really basic mistake to make, though my evaluation of cfr is poor enough that I suspect it isn't a mistake, but is a deliberate. Their data actually shows most recruits come from blue collar and working class. Though really that's exactly what you'd expect (along with a lot of people from military families) since those are the largest demographics.

This also makes a nice comparison with the Russian losses map and illustrates exactly how propaganda works. The cfr map of military recruitment uses absolute numbers to show that poorer states aren't over represented in the US. Guess what happens if you use absolute numbers on that Russian map? You guessed it, Moscow turns black, Tuva turns green and suddenly it's ethnic Russians seeming to die disproportionately. Which is as unsurprising as California, Texas, Florida, New York and other high population states contributing most recruits to the US military, and Moscow has something like a fifth of the Russian population.

4 hours ago, Malcador said:

OSINT types on the A-50's damage.

Always smelled like a psyop that.

[Sarex]

I was thinking more along the line of the of the income bracket than ethnicity. I don't think the Russians care much if you're more Asian or Eruopean. As far as I remember Putin enjoys the highest popularity in the eastern parts of Russia (rural), so it makes sense he would get more people willing to go from there.

I agree with Zoraptor, I would love to see their definition of the middle bracket, as far as I know the US military targets the poor income bracket pretty aggressively, be it for education opportunity or medical...

Edited February 28, 2023 by Sarex

[Lexx]

1 hour ago, pmp10 said:

Ukrainian drones are striking deeper into Russia.
Supposedly energy infrastructure is now also being targeted.
 

Would you really expect otherwise even if it was true?
Apparently similar reports surface in Germany.

German Bild is the same caliber as The Sun and such, so everything written there must be taken with a truckload of salt.

[xzar_monty]

14 minutes ago, Lexx said:

German Bild is the same caliber as The Sun and such, so everything written there must be taken with a truckload of salt.

Wow -- I didn't think it was quite that bad. My German is very basic, though, so I couldn't read it anyway, at least not yet. How would you compare Süddeutsche Zeitung and Die Welt these days? I mean to each other, not to Bild, as surely they're both a lot better.

It's unfortunate that plenty of newspapers need to be taken in a fairly high-sodium way.

Edited February 28, 2023 by xzar_monty

[Mamoulian War]

4 hours ago, Malcador said:

OSINT types on the A-50's damage.

I do not know how it is in Russia, but here, even non-dramatic damage on a plane, can put it out of use for several months

[Mamoulian War]

Russian “journalists” have found out, that Serbia is delivering rockets for Ukrainian Grad MLRSs. Few thousands of pieces have been moved to Ukraine through Slovakia.

https://tiraspol-news.ru/society/2023/02/28/37321.html

(Official Transnistria news, if I understand it correctly)

[Lexx]

43 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

Wow -- I didn't think it was quite that bad. My German is very basic, though, so I couldn't read it anyway, at least not yet. How would you compare Süddeutsche Zeitung and Die Welt these days? I mean to each other, not to Bild, as surely they're both a lot better.

It's unfortunate that plenty of newspapers need to be taken in a fairly high-sodium way.

To be honest, can't really say much about those two, but Bild is notoriously bad. German punk band Die Ärzte even wrote in a song about them some years ago, with the famous line: Angst, Hass, Titten und dem Wetterbericht! - fear, hate, boobs, and weather report. That's what the Bild is.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Lexx

[Sarex]

We are delivering weapons to EU approved destinations, where they end up after is none of our business.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Sarex

[Zoraptor]

Yep, that's how Bulgaria ended up delivering ATGMs to Al Qaeda (delivered them to the CIA, who donated them to Al Qaeda and friends in Syria via Timber Sycamore ).

Not exactly news anyway Serbia has been supplying Ukraine for a while. Not really politically expedient to admit that though.

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, Mamoulian War said:

I do not know how it is in Russia, but here, even non-dramatic damage on a plane, can put it out of use for several months

Yep, my eyesight's so poor I can't make much out of it, but figured it'd be interesting for people here.

[Mamoulian War]

11 hours ago, Malcador said:

Yep, my eyesight's so poor I can't make much out of it, but figured it'd be interesting for people here.

Yes of course, this incident is indeed interesting. A little bit more about it directly from Belarusian partisans, where they are trying to explain the different colours. Anyway, as the plane registration number is known, I bet, if someone would really like to know, he can probably check it every day on flight trackers, how long it stays there. I bet we will see few more sat pictures from that airfield in the near future.

 

[Mamoulian War]

12 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Yep, that's how Bulgaria ended up delivering ATGMs to Al Qaeda (delivered them to the CIA, who donated them to Al Qaeda and friends in Syria via Timber Sycamore ).

Not exactly news anyway Serbia has been supplying Ukraine for a while. Not really politically expedient to admit that though.

Oh yeah, we have one party like that here, few years ago, when they were in government, they were selling our weapons to Al-Qaeda, with our prime minister publicly stating that, if we would not sell them, someone else would sell them. Now the same guy is preaching, how immoral it is to supply weapons to Ukraine. Both of these incidents with blessing from Russia, as most of the top guys in his party are very close to Usmanov and other Russian oligarchs, who were doing business here in pre-sanctions era and are still “reimbursing” them

[xzar_monty]

I hope this is not off-topic or inappropriate or anything, but with people falling out of windows in Russia, I was reminded of the classic evolution of a picture taken with Stalin and some other people (or not) in it. This sort of tinkering with history is of course not unique to Russia, but this is a particularly interesting example. There's huge potential for a game of both "He was never with me" and "I was never with him" right now as well.

[Gorth]

Didn't Kim in North Korea do the same thing at some point? Friend or family "disappeared", including from old photos. Like an episode from Back to The Future.

[Malcador]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/soils-war-toxic-legacy-ukraines-breadbasket-2023-03-01/

Reuters worker real proud of the wordplay in that title.

"At a former World War One battlefield near Verdun, France, some pre-war grain fields and pastures have gone unfarmed for more than a century due to craters and unexploded shells, a 2008 paper by Remi de Matos-Machado and Hupy said."

 

[BruceVC]

Well done @Sarex

This is a good decision from your President, you dont want Serbs joining Wagner and being associated with there long list of war crimes 

[pmp10]

US is seeking allies to potentially sanction China over aid to Russia.
If it comes to that I don't see Germany (and so the EU) going along with it. 

[Gfted1]

Video Shows Drone Landing On Russian A-50 Radar Jet That Was Supposedly Attacked (thedrive.com)

[Sarex]

 

[Mamoulian War]

1 hour ago, Sarex said:

 

The first reply to it is pretty hilarious though We will probably never know.

 

[Mamoulian War]

Maybe some of you noticed a small operation in Russia performed by few members or Russian Legion of Ukrainian Army. It made a funny ****storm at Russian Telegrams. Putin even cancelled his travel to Caucasus

Here is the story from the side of the Russian Legion. As always, it cannot be independently verified, still funny though

 

 

[Mamoulian War]

When living in Ruskii Mir is such a **** option, that even Ukrainian prisoners sentenced for lifetime, released by Russian occupiers, decided to rather go back to Ukraine…

 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/3/7391886/

[Lexx]

52 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said:

Maybe some of you noticed a small operation in Russia performed by few members or Russian Legion of Ukrainian Army. It made a funny ****storm at Russian Telegrams. Putin even cancelled his travel to Caucasus

Here is the story from the side of the Russian Legion. As always, it cannot be independently verified, still funny though

 

 

Didn't everyone and their dog said this is a false-flag operation and no ukraine forces have been there?

[Mamoulian War]

1 hour ago, Lexx said:

Didn't everyone and their dog said this is a false-flag operation and no ukraine forces have been there?

That was my first impression as well. There are more and more indices, that it was really an action of the Russian Legion of Ukrainian Armed Forces. So in theory, there were really no Ukrainian forces in Bryansk region. Because it were Russians fighting on Ukrainian side all along
 

And yes, on the day, it flooded Russian social media, even Ukrainian Command has released the statement, that if was a flase flag.