Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous, Part 4

[majestic]

16 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

I haven't been to Enigma (heck, I don't even know where it is and how to get there) but I've heard it's not fun.

It is the final location of Nenio's companion quest, and a hard requirement if you want to get the 'full' secret ending unless you're playing a Trickster or Demon. Between giant rotating heads casting Waves of Exhaustion or some variant of Firestorm at your party, a screen with endlessly respawning undead monsters and some of the worst puzzles in the history of puzzles in games since Dragonsphere's Ratsicle puzzle, ambushes of giant spider things with ludicrous stats and a frustrating boss fight, you're in for a real treat.

Packs of roaming, stealthed rogues capable of killing half your party in a round if they catch you unaware flesh the experience out.

13 minutes ago, KP From Another World said:

I went ahead in Enigma without a guide and reloaded out of frustration. Truly an excercise in frustration.

You really deserve a medal for even trying.

Edited September 20, 2022 by majestic

[ShadySands]

I ended up using a mod that automatically solves all the puzzles

[InsaneCommander]

I got all the councils now. I chose to upgrade to Conscripts for roleplay reasons, despite looking like the worst choice... Also, lots of meetings including Cheliax criminals that were ignored by Regill and Lann explaining how the Mongrels are keeping the city free of rats. The Free Crusaders were up to something as usual, this time literally up.

Ember was kidnapped and I’m glad she was not taken to the Abyss or she would convert Baphomet, Deskari and the whole bunch, ending the game prematurely.

My Persuasion now reaches the 60s with buffs, excellent for Mythic Dazzling Display. And Sosiel’s Elk has better AC than Seelah’s horse.

[majestic]

13 minutes ago, InsaneCommander said:

Ember was kidnapped and I’m glad she was not taken to the Abyss or she would convert Baphomet, Deskari and the whole bunch, ending the game prematurely.

Well...

[Gromnir]

38 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

I ended up using a mod that automatically solves all the puzzles

lucky you. our ocd resulted in us "needing" to do on our own at least once. maybe not literal need, but skipping or cheesing woulda' resulted in an unpleasant brain itch. extreme unpleasant itch... unable to sleep level o' brain itch. 

on the plus side, our bizarre memory means we don't need the guides or mods henceforth.  so not worth it.

the thing is, enigma remains a tedious slog even if you are able to breeze through the puzzles. owlcat added so much retracing o' steps and repetitive combat that even if puzzles is solvable via a mod or annoyingly specific recollection, enigma remains a dull chore... though am admitting being able to breeze through puzzles lessens the pain considerable.

btw, were a complete accident having us discover the dc boosting goggles of mind control. if there were some clue for solving that puzzle we missed it. 

not that anyone asked, but we don't have jack nicholson, as good as it gets ocd, thank goodness. we don't need perform seeming irrational rituals to get through the day, and we even walked out o' @majestic's favorite movie less than halfway through a viewing, so is not as if am complete broken with our desire to complete tasks. even so, we got an unhealthy desire to complete jobs the right way... even if we know from a reasonableness pov the right way would be to cut bait and move on to the next problem. 

HA! Good Fun!

[xzar_monty]

51 minutes ago, InsaneCommander said:

My Persuasion now reaches the 60s with buffs, excellent for Mythic Dazzling Display. And Sosiel’s Elk has better AC than Seelah’s horse.

I can't remember the level where it happened, but as I'm playing an Azata, my skill points are extraordinary and it has been a really long while since I failed any checks (unless there were some hidden ones that I didn't even get to see).

[xzar_monty]

2 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

not that anyone asked, but we don't have jack nicholson, as good as it gets ocd, thank goodness.

Good! What about the memory, then? Eidetic?

[Gromnir]

16 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

Good! What about the memory, then? Eidetic?

am suspicious o' the label. beyond the recognition am having an annoyingly accurate visual recollection, we don't make any such claims.

as for @Gorth and his beer elementals, am gonna note fire elementals is a surprising solid and easily overlooked army unit. fire elementals got the powerxd6xunit number damage potential. given their relative cheap unit cost, is possible to acquire or create many fire elementals. hellknights, for example, got a 43 xp unit cost. fire elemental cost 40, they got a power of 20, their burn effect lasts 3 turns and they got immunities even hellknights do not. is possible to create a whole lotta fire elementals if you wish to... but is only a meaningful act v approach. 

'course campaign strategizing is all meaningless if you got a mage general and a s-ton of marksmen.... particularly if you max'd combat morale.

HA! Good Fun!

[InsaneCommander]

It seems Enhanced Edition will have some much needed improvements and unexpected additions too:

- Better pet management

- Inventory search

- Expanded combat log

Spoiler

- Photomode

 

I accidentally read a spoiler tag and it has been datamined that if you play as Devil, you will be able to

Spoiler

corrupt Galfrey and make her worship Asmodeus.

 

 

[Gromnir]

not using lann optimal, but admitted am also rare making the best use o' lann as an archer.  keep in mind an end game zen archer with hurricane bow and legendary proportions is gonna be seeing base 8d8 shortbow damage before any modifiers. with a skald in party, he could be doing x5 on crits.

am personal using lann most frequent as a hunter (divine hunter) or inquisitor (sacred huntsmaster) though cleric is tough to argue against being his best option. with the change to guarded hearth am gonna eventual try lann as a 2/18 zen archer/judge 'cause adding sacred bonuses is now more meaningful. 

am admitted a bit disappointed with the enhanced edition features revealed thus far. if the expanded combat log works as designed, that one is kinda kewl and appreciated. we were aware o' the pet stuff 'cause owlcat had mentioned previous, but photomode? whatever. 

that said, am s'posing if a few more fixes is implemented, we will be satisfied... at least after most o' the new bugs enhanced creates is expunged.

HA! Good Fun!

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

14 hours ago, InsaneCommander said:

It seems Enhanced Edition will have some much needed improvements and unexpected additions too:

- Better pet management

- Inventory search

- Expanded combat log

  Reveal hidden contents

- Photomode

 

I accidentally read a spoiler tag and it has been datamined that if you play as Devil, you will be able to

  Reveal hidden contents

corrupt Galfrey and make her worship Asmodeus.

 

 

From what I've heard they're going to expand every lategame mythic path except for the Gold Dragon

[Gorth]

On 9/21/2022 at 1:43 AM, xzar_monty said:

Yeah, at that point I was also all into it!

Lemme know how it goes after the blood trails, I'm really quite interested -- especially if you're playing on Core or higher.

Hehe, no. Not that brave. The game suggested 'Normal' in my first play through, so that is what I'm sticking with. I went to the blood trails and the next stop a bit south was some tower. Artists Tower? Other than a bunch of man eating plants, I didn't find anything there. I'm sure I'm missing something (I do have Greybor in my party in case he's still needed)

I might just give the dragon a miss for now and go explore other areas and quests, then return to it later. Doesn't seem to have a timer per se associated with it .

Edit: The tooltip says further south, but I didn't spot any obvious destinations on the southern parts of the map.

[xzar_monty]

1 hour ago, Gorth said:

Hehe, no. Not that brave. The game suggested 'Normal' in my first play through, so that is what I'm sticking with. I went to the blood trails and the next stop a bit south was some tower. Artists Tower? Other than a bunch of man eating plants, I didn't find anything there. I'm sure I'm missing something (I do have Greybor in my party in case he's still needed)

Sounds like a bug to me! Approaching that tower should trigger a series of scripted events (involving skill checks), and you only enter the tower after them.

Looks very weird. I wonder if someone else can shed light on this.

[majestic]

Yeah, that is definitely not how this should go. The tower should not even be reachable without the event. I wonder, if you don't do the quest, does a certain ancient elf even show up in Drezen? It wouldn't brick the game per se, but you'd miss out on a truckload of items and background history.

[xzar_monty]

I wonder if it's possible that @Gorthhas found the tower without doing some necessary part of the quest beforehand, hence the dragon is not there. Just an idea. Otherwise it definitely looks like a bug, and not a minor one, either.

Edited September 22, 2022 by xzar_monty

[Gorth]

Well the there was a tower. Marked as part of the dragon hunt quest, showed up on my map after the first blood trail location just outside Drezen. If it's a bug, I'll just ignore it for now. A bit lost where to pick up the dragon trail then

Passed the time today by visiting the north west part of the map instead and robbed some dragon burial ground as the next best thing. I suspect the crazy archeologist I left at a sealed door is up to no good

[MrBrown]

The lowest level of the tower always has the mandragoras, so maybe he just didn't find the stairs up?

[MrBrown]

Just now, Gorth said:

Well the there was a tower. Marked as part of the dragon hunt quest, showed up on my map after the first blood trail location just outside Drezen. If it's a bug, I'll just ignore it for now. A bit lost where to pick up the dragon trail then

Did you do the book event at the first dragon blood trail location?

[Gorth]

1 hour ago, MrBrown said:

Did you do the book event at the first dragon blood trail location?

I don't remember exactly what took place (I was probably more focused on any dragon swooping down any moment and getting some payback for the ambush I set for it earlier). I'm just restarting the game. Need to level up my team then visit the place (it's close to Drezen after all)

 

Edit: Ok, this time I chose the dangerous pass (I probably picked the easy pass previously) and got one of those text based multiple choice adventures. Arueshalae could beat the mobility checks easily and Gorth could pass the athletics checks easily. Now I'm at the tower again the the mission log has updated...

 

Edit2: This time the dragon was there. A pushover just like the previous times (because you have all the time in the world to pre-buff). It was chatting with an old man (the Story Teller which I seem to remember from one of the previous two acts)

I was just about to start cringing and preparing indignant outburst of protests when the dragon flew off again to the upper landing, thinking it was going to lead me on a merry goose chase all over the map, but it just flew up the stairs. Finished it off for good and deciding whether or not to pay the money for a not so interesting dwarf party member was a hard decision. In the end I went with the minimum amount for having him stick around.

[kanisatha]

22 hours ago, KP From Another World said:

From what I've heard they're going to expand every lategame mythic path except for the Gold Dragon

Has there been any reason given for why gold dragon is being abandoned in this way?

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, kanisatha said:

Has there been any reason given for why gold dragon is being abandoned in this way?

is an act v improvements to mythic path opportunities which is being added and gold dragon already has the most development... 'ccording to owlcat. two separate paths current for gold dragon was deemed satisfactory.

is information via reddit btw (am getting this second hand as we don't do reddit,) 'cause you will never learn anything useful from owlcat by way o' their official wotr forums.

HA! Good Fun!

[MrBrown]

On 9/21/2022 at 5:32 PM, KP From Another World said:

From what I've heard they're going to expand every lategame mythic path except for the Gold Dragon

It's not just the later mythics, Azata and Demon are getting some stuff too at least. But apparently most of the added content is in Act V.

Angel is not.

Edited September 22, 2022 by MrBrown

[ShadySands]

1 hour ago, Gromnir said:

is information via reddit btw (am getting this second hand as we don't do reddit,) 'cause you will never learn anything useful from owlcat by way o' their official wotr forums.

Yeah, their forums are a barren wasteland which is odd considering how active the devs are on Reddit and Discord. 

[uuuhhii]

owlcat forum have some population in the first few month of kingmaker.probably dwindled due to horrible interface

Edited September 22, 2022 by uuuhhii

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

3 hours ago, MrBrown said:

It's not just the later mythics, Azata and Demon are getting some stuff too at least. But apparently most of the added content is in Act V.

Angel is not.

Good, Act V Azata was pretty much just using the power of friendship to kick a fascist off your lawn and I'd have liked some more stuff to do. I want more diety reactions too, because Cayden Cailean is the best god and his worshippers need the power of the bender more often.

2 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Yeah, their forums are a barren wasteland which is odd considering how active the devs are on Reddit and Discord. 

I honestly can't think of anything I've learned on their forum. Comparatively the reddit is full of info.