Darkpriest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said: Italian prime minister Mario Draghi successfully secured a carve out for Italian luxury goods from the EU's package of economic sanctions against Nato, EU dip tells me. 'Apparently selling Gucci loafers to oligarchs is more of a priority than hitting back at Putin,' source adds. EDIT: Can anybody here confirm, or this is some kind of Onion type news? Gas amd Luxuries, both apparel, and cars/motorcycles are a large swath of income for the companies from there and being sold to Russians who love spending **** tonne of cash for such 'prestige'... Thats why no SWIFT ban That plus Gas Edited February 25, 2022 by Darkpriest
Darkpriest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sarex said: ****. That was horrific to watch, no mercy on either side. The guy in the car was alive when they were trying to remove him from the wreckage. There are more instances of cars being ran over, so not sure if thats the same.
Sarex Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Darkpriest said: There are more instances of cars being ran over, so not sure if thats the same. It is, it was just filmed from a different angle. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
Darkpriest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Well, i did something from my side, sent some stash of cash which a couple of friends can pick up around Lviv in the end. If you have friends there and means to securily deliver cash to the ones you know that are in need, paper USDs are best
pmp10 Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said: Italian prime minister Mario Draghi successfully secured a carve out for Italian luxury goods from the EU's package of economic sanctions against Nato, EU dip tells me. 'Apparently selling Gucci loafers to oligarchs is more of a priority than hitting back at Putin,' source adds. EDIT: Can anybody here confirm, or this is some kind of Onion type news? Italian Luxury goods and Belgian Diamonds were rumored to be the sticking points in imposing EU sanctions yesterday. Quite ironic that they would sanction oligarchs in EU but refuse to sanction products intended for them. And another sanction that will really sting - Russia is off Eurovision. And on the war front it seems that a third of Russian troops is now committed. If there is any hope for Ukraine it would be that after spearhead units are engaged, the reminder of Russians will turn out too demoralized to fight effectively. Edited February 25, 2022 by pmp10
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Bartimaeus said: I'm by no means an expert in 144p video of air combat, but it really does look super fake. People saying it's DCS. Possible. I guess I got the game wrong. Hm....maybe I can make some of this legendary Russian troll money by making Arma 2 propaganda for Putin... 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Agree with so many of you guys' posts. I'll try to catch as many as I can remember. Yes, totally agree, the West's response thus far has been a complete disgrace. I am ashamed as an American. Everything is calculated in the context of "how is thyis action going to affect my country's profits bottom-line?" Germany led the charge to block action of SWIFT because they would stand to lose billions in energy investments they have made in Russia, in fossil-fuel investments even while talking big about how much they're into fighting climate change blah blah blah. Here in the US, having canceled Keystone which would just have brought Canadian oil into the US, we are now this year importing oil from Russia!! So Canadian oil bad for the climate; Russian oil magically okay. And this is directly why we have refused to go for a cutoff of Russia's oil and gas exports. But of course the worst of this is sitting pretty in our safe homes and shrugging off the Ukrainians' suffering and oppression by saying it is not our fight, just like a previous generation of feckless Western leaders said it was not our fight in Spain, Ethiopia, and Czechoslovakia. We in the West deserve to have all of this blow up in our faces down the road. I have zero doubt we will come to regret looking the other way this week, but only when it is too late for us. As for the story of Zelensky willing to negotiate, don't know if that is true, but I actually hope so. The Ukrainians have already demonstrated that they are plucky and courageous, way more so than NATO, in standing up to Putin. On three of Russia's four fronts yesterday, they managed to hold or significantly delay the Russian advance to where the Russsians ended up missing their Day 1 objectives. They have already damaged Russia and Putin far more than any NATO country. So no need for them to be martyrs, especially sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the useless Western states. Best for them to cut a deal with Russia and make it that much easier for Russia and Putin to go after Western interests and target NATO in the future. No need for Ukraine to pull a Melos and die for some silly principles and the false hope that the West will ever help them. Survival (and looking out for yourself) is the only thing that matters in the world. 1
ComradeYellow Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Holy crap wow it's very rare academics are prophets.
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, kanisatha said: Survival (and looking out for yourself) is the only thing that matters in the world. But aren't the Western powers you're slating doing the same by not cutting them out of SWIFT, etc. ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Malcador said: But aren't the Western powers you're slating doing the same by not cutting them out of SWIFT, etc. ? Not really. There are degrees of difference involved. True survival versus simply comfort or convenience or expedience. 1
kirottu Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Great, just ****ing great. 1 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, ComradeYellow said: Holy crap wow it's very rare academics are prophets. Yes a few, in comparison with the vast majority who have consistently been wrong with everything they've ever said. And those few are exactly the ones who are now saying the West's weakness on display this week will surely result in catastrophic wars a few short years from now in the Baltics and in Taiwan, as I have gone on the record to say as well. The Baltic states being NATO members will not protect them. Putin is surely coming for them, and sooner than you may think. 2
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, kanisatha said: Not really. There are degrees of difference involved. True survival versus simply comfort or convenience or expedience. The 'looking out for yourself' part. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, kirottu said: Great, just ****ing great. Not surprised at all. It would be downright stupid for both these states to not immediately apply for NATO membership (even though, and especially in Finland's case, NATO membership won't truly protect them). The main problem here is that the two big European powers, France and Germany, simply don't believe they should fight for the security/territorial integrity of anyone but themselves. This has always been the huge weakness of the concept of collective security, and NATO is collective security.
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Malcador said: The 'looking out for yourself' part. Yes looking out for yourself when your very survival/existence is on the line, which is not at all the same as looking out for yourself in the case of profits or expedience. Sorry, maybe I'm just not explaining myself well.
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, kirottu said: Great, just ****ing great. Guess he is losing it. 2 minutes ago, kanisatha said: Yes looking out for yourself when your very survival/existence is on the line, which is not at all the same as looking out for yourself in the case of profits or expedience. Sorry, maybe I'm just not explaining myself well. Oh ok, took them survival and looking out for yourself as separate as they're redundant otherwise, no big deal. German finance minister said SWIFT removal is still viable, so at least that's there for what it's worth. Edited February 25, 2022 by Malcador 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Heartbreaking to see those videos of Ukrainian dads saying goodbye to their kids as they stay behind to fight. God be with them all. 1
Azdeus Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, kirottu said: Great, just ****ing great. I'll admit, I didn't see that coming. 1 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Canada strikes back - https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-liberals-ask-lcbo-to-ban-sale-of-russian-vodka-1.5795903 2 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Chilloutman Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 as much as It sounds sad for you guys in the north I kinda hoped it would happen so people wake up in western europe 4 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Darkpriest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 One intersting point on refugees. So far all the men capable of fighting are staying in Ukrainee and even some people working in Poland are packing to return to Ukraine. This leaves women, children and elderly as refugees. When other migrants were deemed refugees, those were mostly single young men... Shows cultural differences and priorities...
Malcador Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Darkpriest said: One intersting point on refugees. So far all the men capable of fighting are staying in Ukrainee and even some people working in Poland are packing to return to Ukraine. This leaves women, children and elderly as refugees. When other migrants were deemed refugees, those were mostly single young men... Shows cultural differences and priorities... I thought Ukraine forbade men 18-60 (WTF is with that upper band) from leaving, though debatable who or how anyone is enforcing that. Edited February 25, 2022 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
kanisatha Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Darkpriest said: One intersting point on refugees. So far all the men capable of fighting are staying in Ukrainee and even some people working in Poland are packing to return to Ukraine. This leaves women, children and elderly as refugees. When other migrants were deemed refugees, those were mostly single young men... Shows cultural differences and priorities... Raises some very uncomfortable questions for Western feminists, doesn't it? Shouldn't the women also be staying behind to fight and to die?
Darkpriest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Malcador said: I thought Ukraine forbade men 18-60 (WTF is with that upper band) from leaving, though debatable who or how anyone is enforcing that. Yes, they keep some at the checkpoints around borders, but most are organizing in big cities or once move to around Lviv. A lot just escort families to the border and once they make sure they safely cross, they go back.
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