The All things Political Topic - The Night never knew that its end was fleet.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/alex-jones-default-judgment-sandy-hook-lawsuits-1235401/

Given how much conspiracy drives the modern right-wing, I wonder if this is going to be a one off thing or if every few years some media personality will lose thousands to lawsuits for peddling some awful ****.

[Darkpriest]

On 9/30/2021 at 12:44 AM, Raithe said:

Somehow they failed to mention all the business surpression, increased crime, excessive debt by unnecessary rounds of stimmies and ideas to print more money by so called 'progressives' , plus they failed to recognize that you can't shut down carbon based economy, before you have a fully running green economy - that only leads to energy shortages and goods shortages, something people are about to experience in a dramatic way. 

 

 

 

 

[Darkpriest]

6 hours ago, KP the meanie zucchini said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/alex-jones-default-judgment-sandy-hook-lawsuits-1235401/

Given how much conspiracy drives the modern right-wing, I wonder if this is going to be a one off thing or if every few years some media personality will lose thousands to lawsuits for peddling some awful ****.

If only we could sue public figures for every lie they say, we would wipe out 99% of the politicians from the view. 

[Raithe]

Apparently the bill is specifically modelled after the Texas anti-abortion bill.. So anyone arguing against the constitutionality of this bill will be helping prove the Texas one is wrong...

[Darkpriest]

3 hours ago, Raithe said:

Apparently the bill is specifically modelled after the Texas anti-abortion bill.. So anyone arguing against the constitutionality of this bill will be helping prove the Texas one is wrong...

So in other words, no man who is worth anything will be willing to prticipate in a hook up culture and will rather hire professionals or date in other states? 

And women will be then complaing that no-man wants to date them? 

[Hurlshort]

25 minutes ago, Darkpriest said:

So in other words, no man who is worth anything will be willing to prticipate in a hook up culture and will rather hire professionals or date in other states? 

And women will be then complaing that no-man wants to date them? 

That is quite the hot take.

Any man who is actually worth anything should not be participating in hook up culture. Although we are probably defining worth differently here.

[Gromnir]

6 hours ago, Darkpriest said:

If only we could sue public figures for every lie they say, we would wipe out 99% of the politicians from the view. 

politicians already are subject to litigation for slander and libel. however, am suspecting what you want is to make it easier to sue such folks.

“when the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers.”-- oscar wilde

you do realize the diminishing o' the nyt standard would impact not only politicians but message board posters as well, yes? in fact, anybody who publishes a lie may also be sued and the only thing preventing such publishers from being buried in litigation is the ny times standard. obsidian is technical a publisher o' all o' our posts. no more special protection for speech regarding public figures or issues? well then, dp is gonna need be much more careful and obsidian would need police their boards far more close... both o' which is unlikely. most immediate relevant impact to obsidian boardies is these boards would be gone immediate.
 

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[213374U]

eh, n/m

Edited October 1, 2021 by 213374U
who cares

[Hurlshort]

23 minutes ago, 213374U said:

eh, n/m

We all care, numbers man. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/01/steven-donziger-lawyer-sentenced-contempt-chevron

This whole Donzinger thing is ****ed. If there is a hell, I'm pretty sure these corporate goons and judges will end up roasting there.

5 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

That is quite the hot take.

Any man who is actually worth anything should not be participating in hook up culture. Although we are probably defining worth differently here.

I don't agree, consensual (and safe) sex is fine even outside of long-term relationships. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything and is better than sexual harassment or intimate partner abuse that too many fellas dismiss or downplay.

Of course as you said, I think there are very different ideas of worth here.

1 hour ago, 213374U said:

who cares

I do.

[majestic]

1 hour ago, KP the meanie zucchini said:

I do.

Still, one can't help but to feel like the Q who killed himself on Voyager every now and then when posting in this thread. You end up realizing that everything is a pointless rehash of something said before, and you just delete everything.

This thread is probably not causing stars to spontaneously go nova and John de Lancie trying to have a baby with Kate Mulgrew any time soon.

[Gromnir]

am knowing there is more than a few obsidian posters who agree with martha and larry, and am admitting the last four years has disabused us o' the arrogance o' being confident in any "most americans" observations, but we would hope many americans realize there is an unconscionable large % o' american children who only get one decent meal a day, and that one sufficient meal is available only 'cause o' free school lunch programs. nutrition is kinda essential for brain development as a child matures. 

...

am recalling a happier time when pundits were self conscious enough to be embarrassed if they let slip their prejudices regarding social welfare programs which benefited children and others objective unable to bootstrap themselves out of hunger and poverty. in 2021 we got fox news anchors casual bemoaning those damned lazy first graders being conditioned to look for the next handout?

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Edited October 1, 2021 by Gromnir

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

1 hour ago, majestic said:

Still, one can't help but to feel like the Q who killed himself on Voyager every now and then when posting in this thread. You end up realizing that everything is a pointless rehash of something said before, and you just delete everything.

That's the general nature of social media (particularly online forums), everything has already been done and will be done again. Just take it for what it is and try not to get looped into a relapse of terminally online posting syndrome. Because that's a huge waste of time and unsatisfying, like watching Star Trek: Enterprise.

1 hour ago, majestic said:

This thread is probably not causing stars to spontaneously go nova and John de Lancie trying to have a baby with Kate Mulgrew any time soon.

It possibly could. And that baby would be a reincarnated Tuvix, who Janeway would kill again. Which would all be more interesting than what NuTrek is actually going to do.

Oh yeah, to get away from musings on forums and mediocre to bad trek, here's some news

https://www.businessinsider.com/marine-told-trump-rally-saved-afghan-baby-under-investigation-report-2021-10?amp

I know I just complained about people waiting for a book deal to drop info, but how much of a dumbass do you have to be to break guidelines in front of an audience. Part of me thinks he wants to get discharged so he can do a media tour.

EDIT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/police-killings-undercounted-study.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

So police killings are underreported by about half. Wow.

Edited October 1, 2021 by KP the meanie zucchini

[Hurlshort]

Yeah, I do not understand how we don't have a comprehensive database tracking police use of force. We track so many other things, but the idea of actual data driven policing is for some reason taboo.

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Hurlsnot said:

Yeah, I do not understand how we don't have a comprehensive database tracking police use of force. We track so many other things, but the idea of actual data driven policing is for some reason taboo.

not taboo. complex. 

the US is almost unique when it comes to police. we do not have a national police force. police power is reserved to the states, which is actual one reason why national mask mandates for covid is functional impossible, 'cause as odd as it sounds, such mandates is considered, from a law pov, a police power. the fed may mandate for fed employees, but not state citizens. 

each state has its own police, and boy do they ever have police...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies_in_California

you are never gonna see us post wiki as basis in fact, but the link provides a rough notion o' how many police forces there is in ca alone, and those numbers is hardly a california thing. check for wisconsin or missouri if you wish. similar extreme numbers.

gonna use covid again to stress another point and that is that municipal and county sheriffs departments is beholden to their own constituencies more than the governor, so when governor newsom passed mask mandates, a fair number o' municipal police departments and county sheriffs simply announced they were not gonna enforce the mandates, and there was little the governor could do 'bout such violations o' the rule o' law from a practical perspective. sure, its illegal for the sacramento county sheriff to refuse to enforce covid mandates, but what then?

ok, so the fbi asks state and local departments to keep records and share data on all sorta crime data and is then up to state and local departments to decide if they wanna share such data. there is fed grant money often tied to sharing data, but state and local departments are often creative or just plain lazy when it comes to how accurate and detailed is the data they share, and there isn't a damn thing the fed government may do to compel the yuba county sheriff to be more diligent in transmitting numbers and reports.

is not taboo. is federalism. is complex. is almost uniquely american in its perversity.

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[Gorth]

From Russia with love  

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/1/mali-receives-helicopters-weapons-from-russia

 

The French seems to have bad days queuing up to have their turns…

 

[Gorth]

Don’t get me started on Fox “News” hosts. Most brain dead performance I’ve seen was some completely empty headed individual going on and on about what kind of socialist hell Denmark is, going the same way as Venezuela. Because of such atrocities like free healthcare and free universities.

Two different takes on taking the misinformation apart. A Danish politician and a Danish news anchor (with a bit more integrity than Fox)

 

 

[Gfted1]

Wait, everyone gets free school lunch now? Back in the day, my mother had to declare her annual income to prove I qualified for the free lunch.

And thats just another example of why we all deserve UBI, UHC and UFH.

[Hurlshort]

The free lunch system is soooo much better. No more 1st graders racking up student debt because their parents didn't pay, no more worries about theft in the lunch line. I don't really understand why we ever charged in the first place. What was the argument? Socialism? That cat is already out of the bag. Oh no, these free schools have been ruining kids since the 19th century. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

28 minutes ago, Hurlsnot said:

The free lunch system is soooo much better. No more 1st graders racking up student debt because their parents didn't pay, no more worries about theft in the lunch line. I don't really understand why we ever charged in the first place. What was the argument? Socialism? That cat is already out of the bag. Oh no, these free schools have been ruining kids since the 19th century. 

I think there's a segment of US politicos who absolutely despise giving away anything, and I do mean anything, away on principle. Kids are being forced into school (in the sense that it is mandatory to attend school for most) for what roughly correlates to an 8 hour shift with a lunch break, so free school lunches seems like a good thing when opposed to putting kids into lunch debt or just not feeding them.

[Gfted1]

It sickens me that some children in the US go the first six years of their lives without a lunch, and are then again responsible for finding a meal after graduation. Its like were some kind of animals over here.  

[Hurlshort]

3 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

It sickens me that some children in the US go the first six years of their lives without a lunch, and are then again responsible for finding a meal after graduation. Its like were some kind of animals over here.  

You are probably being facetious, but it does remind me that when my wife taught in an inner city high school for years, before winter and summer breaks a number of the kids would act out. Their thinking was that if they get sent to juvenile hall for a couple weeks, they will get to eat during the breaks. 

The pandemic has intensified food insecurity across the US as well.

[Gromnir]

4 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

You are probably being facetious

am suspecting that given your obsidian message board experience, you don't actual believe he is being facetious. so, does he take the bait and double-down as is predicted, or...

regardless, am applauding hurl for channeling his inner movie velociraptor. temporary nickname you "clever girl" is in no way meant as disrespectful. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[BruceVC]

On 10/1/2021 at 5:44 PM, Darkpriest said:

So in other words, no man who is worth anything will be willing to prticipate in a hook up culture and will rather hire professionals or date in other states? 

And women will be then complaing that no-man wants to date them? 

I can see your concern but this is not generally how most people who are pro-choice would think about the Illinois decision

What they creating is more responsibility  around men  who  dont seem concerned with when a women falls pregnant and assumes she must have the baby but in certain cases the economic burden falls on the women only. 

But I do understand your view in the sense that of course you can have casual  sex or consensual sex with friends but its just fun and no one wants children. So for me I use  a condom and its not because STI but rather I know accidents happen especially  when your girlfriend is on the pill.....and I am not in a position  to now raise a child that none of us wanted. I love other peoples kids but I must be in a proper relationship before I could consider having kids 

I can understand East European countries have some Conservative   views that are understandable around abortion 

You guys basically banned abortion, how do people in Poland feel about that? I was watching an interview with Polish liberals who were very angry and feel Poland is going backwards on human rights?

I was surprised because I thought Poland didnt have the societal problem with liberal overreach ....I thought you passed legislation to have all liberals arrested when their protests become criminal....or am I thinking of Russia?

 

 

[BruceVC]

13 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

It sickens me that some children in the US go the first six years of their lives without a lunch, and are then again responsible for finding a meal after graduation. Its like were some kind of animals over here.  

I do understand your concern because we had no free lunches ever at school and yet most kids had a lunch box but I do remember in high school some kids from the lower academic classes  went to  school every day with no money and no lunch. But to be honest they would be considered lower class white kids who came from rough backgrounds and I assume their parents didnt care about them eating, also Apartheid SA would definitely have examples of real parental failure .....its completely foreign to me because that would have been impossible to entertain from  my mom 

But I do think that in some countries a culture is developing where some  people arent prepared to take responsibility for things that they  should and then the expectation is that government must pay or needs to . For example surly anyone who plans  to have  kids must also be balanced with " can I afford the cost of this " 

And I am not suggesting that if  you live in poverty you cant have kids, of course not. But I question if this type of initiative is the best way to spend resources ?

9 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

You are probably being facetious, but it does remind me that when my wife taught in an inner city high school for years, before winter and summer breaks a number of the kids would act out. Their thinking was that if they get sent to juvenile hall for a couple weeks, they will get to eat during the breaks. 

The pandemic has intensified food insecurity across the US as well.

I understand your view on  these topics will always be seen as what is best for the actual experiences of kids so I understand you cant be expected to see the potential problem with this initiative 

But I will give you an SA example of what we see sometimes with these programs, some public sector schools are in the rural areas of SA and that doesnt mean they automatically worse. Not at all as sometimes the rural schools produce better results but in SA many public sector schools do provide a free meal for breakfast\lunch and its mentioned by some that this meal is the first meal the kids have. During the pandemic certain public sector institutions didn't understand correct virus prevention and overreacted so we have had months of some public sector schools that have not been open.

Anyway this has created a real  issue raised on talk shows where some callers now phone in and raise how the shutting down of schools has led to a crisis where now " these kids get no meal for the day " ....

And now you can see the issue,  this  free school  meal cannot be how any parents feed their kids .....its abuse and their must be some responsibility taken outside of the state providing meals ?