The All Things Political Thread (The World and US Reunited)

[Elerond]

2 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Elerond !!!! What a terrible thing to say, dont be jealous and angry because no one cares or knows about the Finnish royal family 

Its not the fault of the UK  Monarchy that much of the world has an interest in their lives....dont be a hater 

 

Because we don't have royal family, because our selected king refused to take the crown  (In 1918 and we become republic that has president as head of state)

Edited March 9, 2021 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, Elerond said:

Because we don't have royal family, because our selected king refused to take the crown 

Exactly my point...so dont be angry with the UK because they have continued to support their Monarchy in a ceremonial role. Its not the fault of the UK Monarchy they are the most famous Monarchy in the world ...its the choice of millions of people around the world who choose to support and follow  the UK Monarchy ...blame them 

 

[Elerond]

11 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Exactly my point...so dont be angry with the UK because they have continued to support their Monarchy in a ceremonial role. Its not the fault of the UK Monarchy they are the most famous Monarchy in the world ...its the choice of millions of people around the world who choose to support and follow  the UK Monarchy ...blame them 

 

Bruce I need to apologize that I used such hard wording about your British side (as South Africa rejected British Royal family in 1961) head of state family anointed by god to rule over world, I should used more politically correct term nincompoop 

Edited March 9, 2021 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

19 minutes ago, Elerond said:

Bruce I need to apologize that I used such hard wording about your British side (as South Africa rejected British Royal family in 1961) head of state family anointed by god to rule over world, I should used more politically correct term nincompoop 

Okay  I forgive you, I am too fond of you to ever stay disappointed with you for long  

But yes I do have ancestral ties to the UK going back to when most of my direct family came to SA with the British army to fight the Boers in 1899. Some of them stayed in SA and some went back to the UK after that war. So I do have direct family in the UK who support the UK Monarchy but most of my SA family  like the UK Monarchy but we dont have the  same connection as my UK family who live in the UK 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

4 hours ago, majestic said:

Am I still asleep and this is some feverish dream, or is this thread becoming even dumbererer than usual?

Both.

[Raithe]

Just to distract from all the focus on the Royal Family, and divert to other issues...  

 

[Malcador]

11 hours ago, InsaneCommander said:

Good question? What will they do next? Come after people with D&D avatars?

When they come for our JC Denton avatars, that's terror.

 

[BruceVC]

21 minutes ago, Raithe said:

Just to distract from all the focus on the Royal Family, and divert to other issues...  

 

Is that the definition of cancel culture now ? Okay got it 

[Malcador]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/capitol-insurrectionist-suspect-flees-kenya-010000659.html

Kenyans, America is not sending their best.

[Guard Dog]

Biden dogs sent back to Delaware after one bit a White House staffer.

Champ and Major have been impeached! Well I guess he did what he had to do. If it had been me I think I would’ve fired the staff guy. If a dog doesn’t like you there’s something no good about you!

[Malcador]

https://tucson.com/news/local/aids-argument-used-as-arizona-house-votes-to-let-businesses-ignore-mask-mandates/article_77272972-17bc-53db-ad50-4f6bf3a81721.html

Interesting reasoning, of sorts.

[InsaneCommander]

15 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I have been meaning to chat to you about your personal views on the rise and collapse of the Brazilian economy. If you interested we must discuss this later when you have time

Sure. I think the main problem is corruption. Whatever policies or plans are adopted, somebody always ends up putting a lot of money in their own pockets and delaying everything as much as possible to keep getting more money. They also choose any options that will make that easier, instead of what would be more beneficial to the country.

Look at the World Cup stadiums, for example, they ended up costing a lot more than they should and many were built in cities that would never again need a big stadium, if anyone at all. And they barely finished it in time. Also, many infrastructure constructions for the Rio 2016 Olympics were never finished.

15 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Also remember for socialists and anti-free market people Brazil use to seen as an example of a "semi-socialist "  success under Lula and Rousseff so when rampant corruption was exposed within the so called anti- Capitalist economy people refused to acknowledge it. And Bolsonaro initially won popular support because he represented everything that would fix this.....yet he became a thorough disappointment ....very thorough

Yes, Bolsonaro was seen as an alternative, someone who could make better policies and, supposedly, fight against corruption. But the guy practices all forms of prejudice available and whatever new forms are discovered in the future, he probably is already doing it. He mocked people who looked for the remains of relatives killed during the military dictatorship (saying that only dogs look for bones), he told a congresswoman that he would never sexually assault her because she was ugly, he said he supports torture and many, many other things like this.

He was never a decent guy and didn't seem care about anyone so I don't understand why people were surprised with all he has done since he became president. Although in the case of the pandemic, he went too far. Even he should know that it was a serious situation that required an appropriate response.

Edited March 9, 2021 by InsaneCommander

[ComradeYellow]

2 hours ago, InsaneCommander said:

Yes, Bolsonaro was seen as an alternative, someone who could make better policies and, supposedly, fight against corruption. But the guy practices all forms of prejudice available and whatever new forms are discovered in the future, he probably is already doing it. He mocked people who looked for the remains of relatives killed during the military dictatorship (saying that only dogs look for bones), he told a congresswoman that he would never sexually assault her because she was ugly, he said he supports torture and many, many other things like this.

He was never a decent guy and didn't seem care about anyone so I don't understand why people were surprised with all he has done since he became president. Although in the case of the pandemic, he went too far. Even he should know that it was a serious situation that required an appropriate response.

Almost sounds like Silvio Berlusconi.

Everything bad starts from Italy.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/harry-and-meghan-the-union-of-two-great-houses-the-windsors-and-the-celebrities-is-complete-1.4504502?mode=amp

Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown.

Beyond this, it’s the stuff of children’s stories. Having a queen as head of state is like having a pirate or a mermaid or Ewok as head of state. What’s the logic? Bees have queens, but the queen bee lays all of the eggs in the hive. The queen of the Britons has laid just four British eggs, and one of those is the sweatless creep Prince Andrew, so it’s hardly deserving of applause.

lmao

[Gromnir]

GOP Sen. Tim Scott says 'woke supremacy is as bad as white supremacy'

joy reid's comments were shameful in our estimation... but then tim scott had to go and do the double-down nonsense.

"The number of arrests, for example, of racially motivated violent extremists who are what you would categorize as white supremacists, last year was almost triple the number it was in my first year as director," Wray said.

The FBI director said that January 6 was not an "isolated event" and "the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it is not going is a way any time soon."

am admitted particular disappointed 'cause we agree there has been increasing radicalization o' the far left leading to idiots like antifa believing violence is warranted to prevent those they disagree with from protesting. am not sure we would call such increasing dangerous foolhardiness "woke supremacy," but am agreeing it is not a good trend. 

so we complete disagree with joy reid and we were sympathetic to what tim scott were kinda/sorta trying to say, but then then the senator from south carolina had to indulge false equivalency and channel all that white grievance which is motivating a disturbing significant % o' republican voters, purposeful abandoning the moral high ground in an attempt to exploit the smoldering indignation o' the trump base.

the conservative media outlets is so far in agreement that tim scott were 100% correct.

story coulda' been so much different. ten years ago and someone like joy reid says something similar and am convinced story woulda' been different. no way tim scott responds same in 2011. and if 2011 tim scot were to say same, most republicans would be at least mild uncomfortable with the statement and conservative pundits would be trying to finesse mr. scott's statement to be something... different.

HA! Good Fun!

ps we might be more worried 'bout antifa if they weren't consistent being outsmarted by the proud boys. is hardly coincidence the proud boys hold protests in liberal bastions and make announcements meant to inflame antifa adherents.  the proud boys show up to these protests in body armour and carrying knives and guns, and when the stick wielding antifa folks show up and attack, the proud boys get to claim self defense as they stab (or worse) multiple counter protesters. add insult to injury, literal, the stabbed and hospitalized antifa folks is the individuals being arrested 'cause they attacked proud boy protesters while the proud boys go to a local bar and laugh 'bout how stoopid is all those college educated antifa dweebs.

so how many times does this happen before antifa realizes maybe their tactics is needing refinement/change? if you is losing the chess match with the proud boys, how much o' a threat can you possible be?

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Gromnir

[ComradeYellow]

24 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

am admitted particular disappointed 'cause we agree there has been increasing radicalization o' the far left leading to idiots like antifa believing violence is warranted to prevent those they disagree with from protesting.

Screw you, Antifa are fighting fascists, and until the fascist threat goes away we need a front line.

[Gromnir]

attack individuals peaceful exercising first amendment rights is not gonna win many converts here in the US of A.  manage to make proud boys victims is a dubious accomplishment. do again and again and again is borderline insane. a frontline manned by amateurs and idiots is worth 'bout as much to the cause as a bucket o' warm spit on a hot august afternoon. 

morons. bunch o' idiots armed with ideology and too much free time.

stacey abrams and others should be the model for the antifa nutters.  if liberals would actually vote, they would win every national election by a landslide and the country would become increasing inhospitable to proud boys.  freaking vote and get others to vote.  a dozen proud boys in sacramento or seattle spewing hate in front o' a national monument or fed building is not gonna cause the downfall o' western democracy. antifa stoopid generates a  whole lotta bad press which discourages moderate conservatives and liberals from advocating for liberal politicians who is accused o' supporting antifa... even if those politicians specific state they is against violence. 

HA! Good Fun!

ps oh, and is utter repugnant to condone violence as a means for quieting a message with which you do not agree. we didn't state such 'cause it should be axiomatic. nevertheless, am beginning to realize the obvious is less so in 2021. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Gromnir

[rjshae]

I hear if you use the wrong pronoun around an Antifa they turn into grammar Nazis.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Man it's impressive how antifa manages to live rent free in the heads of so many politicians and pundits. By all of this attention you'd think they were actively courted by a major political party who used them as security for events and militia to storm the US capital in an attempted coup.

[Gromnir]

39 minutes ago, KaineParker said:

Man it's impressive how antifa manages to live rent free in the heads of so many politicians and pundits. By all of this attention you'd think they were actively courted by a major political party who used them as security for events and militia to storm the US capital in an attempted coup.

am doubting it is many politicians or pundits. antifa, in spite o' being a bunch o' bumbling incompetents who think the first amendment only applies to speakers with whom they agree, put themselves on tv by doing stoopid stuff time and again. if you are william barr and donald trump and you wanna install US troops in the streets o' portland to restore law and order, well then, antifa becomes an excuse to legitimize the previously illegitimate. if the trump base storms the capitol, intent o' overturning the results o' a democratic election, then the conservative pundits need come up with an alternative narrative which the base will embrace 'cause we all know god fearing law and order trumpers wouldn't be involved in such reprehensible behaviour. 

antifa is real, but the antifa that politicians and pundits use to scare the base into believing the impossible is a crafted boogeyman only remote related to reality. is done purposeful and knowing. a few o' the hardcore q folks in Congress may believe such silliness, but for cruz and hawley, antifa is just a minor prop in their fear based morality play.

similar... biden said the opposite o' defund the police. biden' solution were to offer more money to police departments which embraced alternative resolution approaches and counseling and other such stuff. nevertheless, trump made a campaign ad to scare old people.

reality don't matter and the politicians and pundits selling the nightmares know exact what they are doing.

recent cpac didn't have much discussion on policy proposals. were plenty o' talk o' cancel culture ruining america, and biden trying to turn the US into a socialist hellspot. couldn't learn much 'bout specific conservative job initiatives, but calvin coolidge nativism were repeated often at cpac 2021. the hardcore trumpers who posted in this thread before the election used images o' the coming apocalypse to describe why they were choosing trump instead o' biden, and have otherwise ordinary people buying into such fearmongering don't happen natural and organic. has been years o' effort selling fear by the alt-right radio and fox news pundits and such salesmanship were successful.  the guy selling snake oil knows his product is 90% lies and 10% alcohol.

so, not many.

HA! Good Fun!

Edited March 10, 2021 by Gromnir

[BruceVC]

5 hours ago, Gromnir said:

GOP Sen. Tim Scott says 'woke supremacy is as bad as white supremacy'

joy reid's comments were shameful in our estimation... but then tim scott had to go and do the double-down nonsense.

"The number of arrests, for example, of racially motivated violent extremists who are what you would categorize as white supremacists, last year was almost triple the number it was in my first year as director," Wray said.

The FBI director said that January 6 was not an "isolated event" and "the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it is not going is a way any time soon."

am admitted particular disappointed 'cause we agree there has been increasing radicalization o' the far left leading to idiots like antifa believing violence is warranted to prevent those they disagree with from protesting. am not sure we would call such increasing dangerous foolhardiness "woke supremacy," but am agreeing it is not a good trend. 

so we complete disagree with joy reid and we were sympathetic to what tim scott were kinda/sorta trying to say, but then then the senator from south carolina had to indulge false equivalency and channel all that white grievance which is motivating a disturbing significant % o' republican voters, purposeful abandoning the moral high ground in an attempt to exploit the smoldering indignation o' the trump base.

the conservative media outlets is so far in agreement that tim scott were 100% correct.

story coulda' been so much different. ten years ago and someone like joy reid says something similar and am convinced story woulda' been different. no way tim scott responds same in 2011. and if 2011 tim scot were to say same, most republicans would be at least mild uncomfortable with the statement and conservative pundits would be trying to finesse mr. scott's statement to be something... different.

HA! Good Fun!

ps we might be more worried 'bout antifa if they weren't consistent being outsmarted by the proud boys. is hardly coincidence the proud boys hold protests in liberal bastions and make announcements meant to inflame antifa adherents.  the proud boys show up to these protests in body armour and carrying knives and guns, and when the stick wielding antifa folks show up and attack, the proud boys get to claim self defense as they stab (or worse) multiple counter protesters. add insult to injury, literal, the stabbed and hospitalized antifa folks is the individuals being arrested 'cause they attacked proud boy protesters while the proud boys go to a local bar and laugh 'bout how stoopid is all those college educated antifa dweebs.

so how many times does this happen before antifa realizes maybe their tactics is needing refinement/change? if you is losing the chess match with the proud boys, how much o' a threat can you possible be?

" 

Great topic Gromnir and one worthy of debate because this discussion around " woke supremacy " is something we see in most of our  countries as it manifests itself in different forms and causes different degrees of consternation, disruption and irritation 

Firstly I dont think you should or can compare true white supremacy with the term " woke supremacy " because the former is  historical, global and does exist and has real structures in certain countries. Its not common but its real and the real white supremacists have appalling ideological views that we should all reject  

Sadly the term white supremacy gets horribly abused nowadays, often for example   "woke supremacists " have an issue with a development or ruling around alleged police violence the  accusation is " this is because of white supremacy ". So we should all stop using certain words to describe everything and anything because it looses its effectiveness and meaning if everything becomes " white supremacy ". Words matter and their is nuance and complexity to why people have views on things

" Woke supremacy " can also lead to people like me losing interest or support in certain initiatives because I am not going to support sweeping, biased and or inaccurate   generalizations about history, the police or events. This doesnt mean I would ever support the ideological views of white supremacists but I may sometimes be forced to agree with the views on FOX even if our political  intentions and goals  are different 

So in closing I dont think its reasonable to compare white supremacy with " woke supremacy " because the latter is not an established ideological movement. It is more of  a nebulous group that has various opinions on topics and at times is inconsistent with its own objectives. I have issues with some of the implementation and stated objectives of this group but not all of them 

But compared to real White Supremacists its not the the same as I have nothing in common with them  

 

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by BruceVC

[BruceVC]

5 hours ago, ComradeMaster said:

Screw you, Antifa are fighting fascists, and until the fascist threat goes away we need a front line.

This is where I agree with you about all our countries becoming like China. If the USA was like China the authorities would make sweeping arrests with no evidence and trials necessary and all ANTIFA activists can be arrested and vanish into reeducation camps like what is a happening to the Uighur Muslims in China

Problem solved, no more Antifa to irritate us and perpetuate violence. Society would be more peaceful and their would be less disruptive protests hiding behind this pesky thing called " freedom of speech and freedom of protest "

So Comrade we do  have things in common ....I always try to see the constructive aspects to the other side in a debate 

[BruceVC]

3 hours ago, Gromnir said:

am doubting it is many politicians or pundits. antifa, in spite o' being a bunch o' bumbling incompetents who think the first amendment only applies to speakers with whom they agree, put themselves on tv by doing stoopid stuff time and again. if you are william barr and donald trump and you wanna install US troops in the streets o' portland to restore law and order, well then, antifa becomes an excuse to legitimize the previously illegitimate. 

 

This is a very good point and pertinent, the response to BLM and Antifa sometimes leads to a harsher response and  laws being implemented depending who is in power in each state and creates unnecessary fearmongering. It galvanizes and creates support for more rightwing views from normal citizens who normally wouldnt support such outcomes like Federal security forces being deployed in places like Portland and it becomes justified for many people when you see months of protracted violence  

[ComradeYellow]

You seem more obsessed with balancing things out rather than analyzing proper historical context, Bruce.

For instance

Original Antifa 

And we are basically at war right now, so may the good guys win and we'll deal with all that Constitutional muh Freedom crap later.

Also, China correctly calls ww2 the "First Antifascist War" because Japan, Italy, and Germany were indeed fascist, so you're accusation of China locking up Antifa holds no water, because they are a Socialist government.

EDIT:

Apparently Navalny has ties to the Alt Right and has never renounced them, yet liberals are cheering on his charade in Russia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56181084

Edited March 10, 2021 by ComradeMaster

[BruceVC]

16 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

You seem more obsessed with balancing things out rather than analyzing proper historical context, Bruce.

For instance

Original Antifa 

And we are basically at war right now, so may the good guys win and we'll deal with all that Constitutional muh Freedom crap later.

Oh no I am not obsessed at all, I am responding directly to what people say. The original ANTIFA was a valid movement that fought against Fascism. But Fascism has a real definition, like White Supremacy, and its unhelpful to throw the word around if its not Fascism or the context is not the same 

The definition of fascism is 

" Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition " 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fascism

The US government is not a fascist government and the objectives of BLM and ANTIFA dont target real fascism. ANTIFA nowadays claims to believe violence is acceptable to target violence by white supremacists and right wingers. These groups dont control the USA because the USA is a Constitutional Democracy 

So its incorrect to say " Antifa exists to combat Fascism, we are at war " because  anti-BLM protests and right wing influence  is not the same as a  real Fascist  government and the USA is not at war with Fascism internally. This is  hyperbole

I am surprised you would ever justify the violence we see from ANTIFA based on the reality of what we see in the USA ?