[Guide] Permanent bonuses / Approach for a "no rest" run

[omgFIREBALLS]

I mean, it's up to each individual player in the end, but I find it's against the spirit of the mod to do things like that. It should be used to prevent rests that are forced upon you, not turn "eat and rest" or "pray and rest" into "eat/pray and rest without actually resting". At the far end of this spectrum, the mod might as well allow us to have every food buff at once

[Noqn]

8 hours ago, omgFIREBALLS said:

It should be used to prevent rests that are forced upon you, not turn "eat and rest" or "pray and rest" into "eat/pray and rest without actually resting".

You are absolutely right, I'll upload a new version with vanilla pray/eat rests and keep the current main version as an optional download.

[Noqn]

Patch out: https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity2/mods/354?tab=files

[KaInEvIL]

Can't believe there's so much hidden and scripted crap that forces rest and deletes all bonuses in this game. I mean in a full challenge run no one cares but on normal potd upscaled it is annoying as all hell since forces players to do stuff in specific order and some of those can't even be avoided. It doesn't even make sense on some stuff like reparing weapons ( should only take/advance time ) when you're still at the npc's face. It's just bad design. The whole point of no rest should be playing without or limited empowers.

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Edited March 3, 2020 by KaInEvIL

[Boeroer]

What is normal PotD upscaled? 

By the way I don't use any rest bonuses and no consumables besides the most basic food on PotD at all - and I don't feel forced to do anything.

But it sure is a bit annoying that there are "secret" buff wipes without any indication. 

[KaInEvIL]

19 minutes ago, Boeroer said:

What is normal PotD upscaled? 

By the way I don't use any rest bonuses and no consumables besides the most basic food on PotD at all - and I don't feel forced to do anything.

But it sure is a bit annoying that there are "secret" buff wipes without any indication. 

Any first time player or anyone who hasn't beat the game yet would find this insanely annoying. Some neketaka events can't be avoided either, so if you miss them you also miss the bonus/unique gear forever. You can't travel through discricts without triggering them by a certain point. They should've made them random while traveling and not completely scripted. That would also make more sense. They did boat events a lot better since they can be avoided forever just by saving before traveling a certain amount of distance, saving and then reloading. So you could get them with any party of your choice since some affect character disposition and rep. And i'm sure you could beat the game blindfolded by now Boeroer but you miss my point.

Edited March 3, 2020 by KaInEvIL

[Boeroer]

I basically agree. But I think it's not as big of a problem for most players as you made it sound ("so much hidden crap").

[omgFIREBALLS]

4 hours ago, KaInEvIL said:

Any first time player or anyone who hasn't beat the game yet would find this insanely annoying.

Only if they've done quite a bit of homework first, and also in that process not discovered Noqn's mod.

First, they would have to notice they got the bonuses. They would also need to have enough game knowledge to understand that these are powerful and rare buffs, and that nothing except rest will remove them. Else they will probably go, oh, it probably had a hidden duration, or it got dispelled. I don't think there's been a single first time player who has had enough game insight to get bothered by this, unless they read this thread first, before the point of Noqn posting the mod.

Even so, No Rest is not a playstyle for first timers. First timers don't have game mastery, they will have narrow victories where some party members got knocked out, and they're gonna be happy with that. They're certainly not going to reload for the twentieth time to win without injuries, and they're not going to bend over backwards to always fix injuries with Luminous Adra Potions. Plus, they probably used per rest stuff for that narrow victory.

First timers in all likelihood don't even know this is happening, and if they knew, they wouldn't particularly care.

[Noqn]

I lost a Captain's Banquet to Dirty Laundry on my first playthrough, which is managable but still really annoying.
I sure would have been pissed if that was a run with Hylea's Bounty.

But more than anything, I think forced rests highlights how per-rest rewards is fundamentally bad design.

I'm considering making a separate mod that nerfs the bonuses but making them permanent. What's everyone's opinions on this?

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Dawnstar's Blessing
    from +50% Healing to +10% Healing
    from +2 Religion to +1 Religion

Nature's Resolve
    from +10 Accuracy to +3 Accuracy
    from +2 Resolve to +1 Resolve

Alchemic Brawn
    from +2 Might to +1 Might
    from +2 Constitution to +1 Constitution

Alchemic Guile
    from +2 Dexterity to +1 Dexterity
    from +2 Perception to +1 Perception

Alchemic Wit
    from +2 Intellect to +1 Intellect
    from +2 Resolve to +1 Resolve

Amira's Blessing
    from +2 Dexterity to +1 Dexterity

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Optional Package: Repeatable per-rest bonuses made permanent.

Brothel Bonuses (Still mutually exclusive)
Luminous Adra Potion
Adratic Glow

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Optional Package: Shrine/Scripted Food Bonuses made Permanent?

Good Food, Better Friends
    from +2 Constitution to +1 Constitution
    from +5 Defenses to +3 Defenses

Ngati's Blessing
    from +2 Constitution to +1 Constitution

Rikuhu's Blessing
    from +2 Resolve to +1 Resolve

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And probably alternative versions with permanency but without the nerfs.

[omgFIREBALLS]

It's a single player game, and the right way to play it is the way one most enjoys playing it. Mods enable the game to be played in more ways. Therefore, mods are good. You need not ask ^^

[KaInEvIL]

I personally think this one particular mod is a godsend because all the hidden forced rest crap is exceedingly annoying and makes no sense whatsoever from a gameplay perspective. But now i'll have to play with the classic game party because i can't rest anymore and already got amira's blessing with that particular party. So it means i'm gonna have to rush to get palegina and the rest before reaching the lvl that triggers that particular encounter through traveling on the next run just because devs went full retard on the design choices. It's as bad as the quest timer on Pathfinder: Kingmaker. A game that is much bigger and involves much more micro than PoE. Been having much more fun with caster builds than any busted melee on this game.

Edited March 6, 2020 by KaInEvIL

[Lampros]

Can you stack food and brothel bonuses?

[AndreaColombo]

Yes. First rest to get the food bonus, then go have a good time at the brothel.

[Lampros]

Just now, AndreaColombo said:

Yes. First rest to get the food bonus, then go have a good time at the brothel.

Awesome - thanks! I can't believe I played over 300 hours as if every "per rest" bonus were exclusive!

[AndreaColombo]

I'm kinda bummed I missed out on Amira's Blessing for my current play through. Oh well. Will try to get it and keep it next time.

[dgray62]

10 hours ago, AndreaColombo said:

I'm kinda bummed I missed out on Amira's Blessing for my current play through. Oh well. Will try to get it and keep it next time.

How exactly is the Amira's Blessing encounter triggered. In some games it triggers early, around lvl 8, but other games it never seems to trigger. Is it random, or is there a way to trigger it?

[AndreaColombo]

I believe it's random. If there's a specific way to trigger it, I'd like to know myself

[dgray62]

10 hours ago, AndreaColombo said:

I believe it's random. If there's a specific way to trigger it, I'd like to know myself

Thanks. Like you, I have gone through games without it ever triggering. I was wondering if there was a trigger about which I was unaware. I think the only precondition is meeting with the queen and faction figureheads in the Serpent's Crown palace. I recently had it trigger immediately after that before I had visited many of the Neketaka areas, and before repairing WotEP, unfortunately.

[Noqn]

WorldMapEncounter "RE_Burning_Building"

CallGlobalConditional(GE_AD_NeketakaDistrictsExplored) and IsLevel(Player, GreaterThanOrEqualTo, 7)

Seems like you have to be Lv7 and have unlocked all the Neketaka districts.

[dgray62]

I guess I must have visited all the districts, then. Hard to keep the various games straight.

[Noqn]

Encounter conditionals are weird. Last playthrough I didn't get the scripted interaction where you introduce yourself to your crew until after I had been to Magran's Teeth...
 

[dgray62]

You're right. I've gotten that one very late too.

[AndreaColombo]

Likewise in my current playthrough. I also haven’t gotten the Neketaka SI where you help the girl and get the sword.

[dgray62]

I know. This a big drawback to planning builds that would make good use of the Howling Blade.

[AndreaColombo]

If you plan to build around RNG items, I suggest giving them to you via Unity Console. If that's too on the nose, you can always crate an NPC, give them the items via Unity Console, export them, and hire them in your next playthrough. That way you'd have to at least pay a cost in gold pieces to get them, thus appeasing your conscience. I do that with items that come late in the game too, so I can enjoy them for longer.

Edited November 8, 2020 by AndreaColombo