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Feargus and OE obviously need PR management. KOTOR II is mostly a good game but OE and LA are both guilty of rushing a PC GOTY and STAR WARS game to market for the benefit of Christmas sales and xbox-MS interests. The result has been a gross mismanagement of a high profile entertainment product of which many PC gamer enthusiasts have cried foul. It appears OE and LA are determined to remain obstinate in face of the consumers they very depend. PC gamers with their latest video cards, gig of ram, gighz processors are not going to continue in the slightest to accept xbox-console leftovers and take second to Christmas holiday console rushes. Holiday season rushes, console ports, overbearing publishers, buggy games, unfinished games missing content and all needing patches is sickening. OE and LA represent the epitome of bureaucratic game development by committee. The game Kotor II only purpose is to generate money and entertain second. That

What a crappy post by the original thread starter, the guy is a idiot on top of that its obvious he is on CRACK.

~D --> refrain talking to me directly in a thread addressed to Feargus. For your information my moniker "manitsbuggy" refers to my first 20 minutes with KOTOR II and my ATI video card which I had to take out and replace with a geforce to get the game to work. So what the hell are you talking about? Why do you care? I was not condescending at all to Feargus. Apparently he thinks people are unnecessarily trashing his game and he wants to move on and forget it. The PC version just came out 2-weeks ago, no effort or purpose was ever intended to provide any level of content apparently beyond a technical patch. I am entitled to my opinion I am a PC gamer first and I directed my post to him and I think I pretty much covered the jest of the 650 plus posters in the end Cut scene thread. Did you read all of them? Besides you have your opinion I have mine address Feargus not me. Lets get some FACTS straight: I have not done that to any degree in any of my posts, maybe 2-3 people out of a 1000 other posters have said it but I don

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Actually the whole way this is being handled is reminiscent of what must of gone down when the ending was decided. They made the wrong decision and went for the short-term solution. The same decision process that brought us the rushed ending is working here now. Nothing has changed.

We feeling sorry for OE now? LOL what a joke who is next LA? I say let em burn, reap what you sow. STALKER MORROWIND III THE BARDS TALE ANDREAS PC GOTHIC III I say good riddance last thing I need or want is a 50+ hour game that ends like this. Working with LA you should of done the ending first. THE END. What are we paying for, you to learn your trade? Enough, I got matches.

Its in Announcements right above Forum topics Feargus talks about having to close the forums. Hell I must of missed it yesterday but I seen it today. I demand that Feargus sacrifice his second newborn baby to the God's of Gaming. If they close the forums its like total admission and undeniable acceptance of the inevitable rush of the fan base. It is poetic. It is the ending they could not muster for KOTOR II.

Thats a weak ass way of saying it but ya they are going to close the forums. Could we be a litte less vague? I will try. We are going to close the forums because it is bad publicity for us, Bioware, and LA. We have no coments. Bye Bye P.S. We thought we could release a follow up game to a Game of the Year about Star Wars without a ending and nobody would notice. Star Wars, Game of the Year who would of thought the fan base would of noticed? P.S. You all just dont understand the business. Sniff. -------------------------------- I say get your RANT in before they run away with their tail between their legs then we head over to LA.

The Jedi Code There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is the Force I think a light side jedi is suppost to have faith in his master, the council and the force. I think a light side jedi if he/she follows the code has no emotion but to serve the bigger picture. In the case of the exile its to help the galaxy, the republic, the people of the republic in any way he/she can. In the case of the light side jedi they put themselves last in this order of things. They feel no urgency or desperation but faith and vigilance in honor. Peace from doing the right thing. Emotions have to be felt and dealt with but a jedi must learn to release them as well. They seek truth and in the search try to become knowledgeable of their actions in order to better serve. There is no passion only serenity. Serenity in knowing you only seek to serve. Serenity in no emotional involvement either in power, money, credits, weapons, armour or nice clothes or any other means of displaying wealth. Faith that the force will provide is key to a light side jedi. To want would be to need or perhaps fear. There is no death. There is only the force. You ultimately serve the force hopefully through knowledge and faith. Faith that if you if you stay centered, stay focused that in the end you will be successful in serving the greater good of the galaxy. As a light side jedi your life, your gift of the force is for the benefit of others. You seek to bring peace through understanding, compromise, and sharing of knowledge. You as a light side jedi are to apperciate the very delicate situation you are in. You as light side jedi are to very greatly never underestimate this gift and teachings you are being given. After all you are a sentinent being with wants, desires, and hopes you can not let them overtake your emotions and intellect. As a light side jedi you are but a vessel of the force, to die for the force in serenity giving all your life freely. It is a slippery slope to allow yourself to start feeling, to give into desires of want and personal need. The force within has to be serene are you will be tempted to the darkside. Now with all that said. Handel if you do not feel this way then you are what I think they would call a "grey" jedi or pehaps you are even a dark jedi. Your choices in this game KOTOR II are: 1) Play neutral to light like a grey jedi then pick your light side prestige class then do whatever your mind wants and play your character the way you feel. 2) Be what you really want to be which is a darkside jedi. See how far your emotions will take you in this game and allow yourself to want those creds, those weapons and allow yourself to be the most important thing in the galaxy and feel the rush of the darkside. 3) Suck it this time through and play a light side character then start over a second game your second time through and play a dark side character. Darkside characters do whatever they want and follow their own code. Me first. ---------------------------------------- On another note: 1) Jedi knight II: Jumpers Quest 2) KOTOR I 3) KOTOR II to some degree LOL> How many gimmiks can they come up with to keep people from starting off with full jedis? I want a game that starts as dark or light and allows you play it as a full strength jedi. I want to blow up some planets. Heck I want to force consume a whole planet like Nihilius supposedly did. In KOTOR I getting the two families to fight was a priceless gaming moment, booku darkside points that served no immediate purpose I remember but it sure was evil for evil's sake. I cant be the only one who enjoyed seeing the price on their head going up in Fallout 2 on the wanted posters who liked being called a baby killer. Thoser rug rats were thiefs. Oh the darkside, it is so fun Handel feel it, live it, give in to it and join me as we take what we want when we want. I can feel the darkside in you Handel just give in to it and join me.

draakh_kimera, I was posting in a thread titled, "Cut Ending Stuff" at Obsidian Forums about KOTOR II. Then you rushed in all loud, and offensive and told everyone to shut up. Either you want attention or you are drunk or retarded. Either way, 280,000 sold on the first day warrants dicussion. You however can feel free to go back outside and finish your blunt. To the ones with a brain I say, "Yes the modders will do it." OE deserves nothing but what they deserve. At some point in the future it might be advantegous to have a sticky titled, "Progress of the Sith Revised Ending MOd to direct people." Its the only future for these forums because its just started. You think you can create a follow up to a game of the Year about Star Wars without a ending and not have tens of thousands eventually make their way here wondering wtf happenend at the end of the game. Thats impossible. OE will have to answer for it, the moderators will have to deal with it. Every one of them is going to come here and make their 4-5 rants and by the end its going to be thousands.

I always like it. There is always someone who stands up and says,"They dont owe us anything." "You got what you paid for." "YOu dont like it leave." Boring. It does not excuse the fundamental error in judgment of money above art. Some would say its balls. Some call it pride. I am so sure Lucas Arts can be a real pain but the very fact alot of the missing stuff is included on the cd's is enough to disgust. Your right they dont owe us. If you want to be a lawyer about it. Lets pretend we are pc gamers and this is a hobby and here we have a art form. In this case its cracked. But I dont expect anything or want anything. I just want them to know how pathetic it looks to me as a hobbyist. In this case as professionals making a living serving me goods I find them at grave fault. I have confidence the modders will fix it. Some really smart modders out there have already made many mods for KOTOR I. The mod will probably be called something like the "Revised Sith Lord Ending", and I am going to laugh my arse off playing it, and telling everyone about it. I just want it for the record that KOTOR II has no ending. Its important to know. It should be important and known and not swept under the rug. Just wait over the next 2-3 months when all the slow playing pc players start coming by the forums. Its not even started yet. At some point in the future I bet it will get so bad, very shortly they will start closing and baning posts.

Hello, reality check. This was the follow up to KOTOR I, "RPG Game of the Year". A game based on freaking Star Wars. Sad truth is the game is broken. The game has no ending. Without the knowledge of the missing dialogue and cutscenes I was left with a wtf feeling. I dont know about your character but my character was left on a rock, a rock in space, outer space. The game is rediculously easy. You could beat this game with no equipment and just force powers. A nude Sith Lord or Jedi Master with Mandalore and Anton or Bao-Dur using their fists acting as meatshields.But we all still love it. Why? The music, the story, the atmosphere. The STORY. You play 50+ hours their should be a conclusion a climax and ending of sorts with some finality. There was none. It just ended abruptly without explanation.What is a story without a ending? In other words I dont know what it was all for or why I did it or anybody did anything or if it even meant anything. My KOTOR II experience as a darkside character; I killed several jedi masters, I harassed a couple hundred people, I killed a couple hundred Sith, I foght on a space ship, I killed two Darth lords then I have a old (I guess dark jedi/lord) women tell me, "You are not Sith really." "The real Sith are out there, where Revan went." "No you are beautiful because you are like a black hole in the universe and you have proven me right, my death will be my last victory." I paraphrased her last words to me. Then I killed her then it ends. I am on a rock in space and then credits role. WTF was that. LoL. THAT WAS MY FREAKING ENDING. Without these forums and the knowledge I learned here about the missing ending my darkside character was on a rock. A rock. In space. Sure after replaying a save and choosing some different dialogue I learned of the possibilites offered by Kreia but I had to reload a save and even then it was hollow. Return to exile, follow after Revan to help or kill, stay on Melanchor? What choice did my character have the first play through, nothing because it just ended and I didnt choose the correct? dialogue option. Regardless who would think I would choose exile? Of course I would follow after Revan and use one of the ships she suggested. But I had to reload a previous save out of desperation and choose different dialogue options to find that possibility out. The journey was hollow. Later I come to internet and read the missing dialogue and see how it was supposed to be and it makes so much sense and is so fitting. [kind of fitting maybe I should clarify because I am not sure anybody knows, really] Initially in my first play through I after killing the old women Kreia got the cut scene for showing me inside Melanchor and then spanning the galaxy. No mention of a ship, my former party members building a jedi school or Melanchor period. After reading the missing dialogue you find out you were supposed to talk to Visa, Handmaiden, Anton, to some degree depending on alignment and finalize your actions and theirs. In essence bring the story to a end. The journey to a end at Melanchor where it all started when you the exile turned away from the force. based on my readings of the missing dialogue Lightside uses Bao-Dur shield generator to revitalize the planet and uses it as a base of training lightjedi with Handmaiden I think. Darkside keeps it same and has Visa train darkjedi. You see the final actions of your influence on your party members. Some of the party members confront each other and Kreia. They finally commit to either light or dark. Your party members becomes your disciples training future jedi for your cause and some perhaps die. You say your farewells, make your final decision and yOu leave the planet to search out Raven. However during my initial play through the only thing I had ringing in my ears when the credits rolled was Kreia telling me how she hated the force, how it didnt serve a purpose and how I had proven her right. So my first initial impression of the ending to the story was me saying, "Good riddance you old witch", "Hey hello, anybody out there how am I going to get off this planet?" -->credits rolling A 50+ hour story ended for me stuck on a rock with far as I knew no way off and nobody else on it. Last cutscene I saw of the Ebon Hawke it was falling into a shaft and looked to be destroyed. And there was GOTO's droid but he had no worries about me destroying the planet.. which confuses me now that I think about it because I could of sworn Bao-dur said he could use the shield generators to undo the damage to the planet. Yet I do kind of remember a dialogue option to Kreia which I didnt use which was something to the effect of potentially blowing the planet it up. But what the heck does it matter trying to figure it out? Its all jumbled anyway. Its FUBAR ending. Thats the point, the ending is FUBAR there is no ending. How do have a ending of a STAR WARS game a sequel to a GAME of the Year pc game and crap on the ending? Especially know that we see the intent was all along there to do it right? There are only a few things worth doing right in life. Only so few things that are right, why add to it by crapping on something such as KOTOR and Star Wars? Its a enigma. One would hope though that people would at times realize the opportunites they have and make the best of them and never diminish or take away. Probably what confounds so many people is some things should never be rushed or misstreated such as national anthems, old people, good books, good stories. KOTOR II was abused and short changed and the art suffered. Its the pain of the art that disturbs us most. If Obsidian cant get a follow up to KOTOR I right, we feel fear and doubt. This should of been a easy homerun but they shanked it most foul. They screwed up the story the most important part.

I aplogize I meant Visas Marr, my head has been slow today. "Basically it was me Sith Maurader, Mandalore, and Atris. But Atris was on stationary stance and I dont think she did anything the whole battle. Mandalore shot a few times with his onderon blaster but I think he missed every time" Should of been Visas. Right before you talk to Mandalore to take shuttle to Ravenger I think she says something she was already in my party and I had planned on taking her onboard the Ravenger to meet Nihilius but I dont even know if you have a choice in the matter. She said something like, "You want me to go, You want me to stay." And I am like, "Shut up already". And she says, "I wish I could be so cold". Actually I think I was thinking who I wanted to take, I didnt want to get stuck without a specialist, like Bao-dur without the ability to change party members. I knew she Visas had to come. Mandalore invited himself of course you dont really know that till your already up there then you cant even change party. It didnt matter but. Atris is the jedi member, female who turned dark with Kreias help, advice, who was a apprentice of Kreia who I dont think you can get as a member of your party. <-- I think.

I do think its a little excessive the lines, the greying of the skin in KOTOR II. In KOTOR I, I kind of thought it was more a visual representation to the PC player of what the character was like on the inside. Because I dont ever remember anyone mentioning it to much. But in Kotor II quite a few people told me I looked pretty rough. One guy asked me if there was a plague going around. Another guy said he had some lotion for my face looked like the back end of a animals butt. In Kotor I I dont remember that happening but its been awhile. Eyes turning yellow, yes. Turning of the skin I dont know about it, too much, how much?. I dont really have a issue with it, it does seem a little excessive though in KOTOR II. You have like 3 options (at least): for darkside transitions do 1) nothing --> reason to believe such, Dooku, perhaps other Dark Jedi 2) little yellowing of eyes, perhaps darkening of skin --> maybe we see that with Anakin in Ep 3 3) Full blow Vampire Masquered - KOTOR II The answer is probably somewhere between 2 and 3, for gamers like, enjoy seeing visual feedback representating things they have done. A character aging, aquiring wealth, prestige, gaining new loot. I believe there is some documentated Star Wars lore precedent for the changes in KOTOR I and II. But it is really a matter of taste and interpretation how you implement it. There are already some mods in work at pcgamemods.com that address these transitions, somewhat be reducing the effect. My preference would probably be the yellow eyes, and darkening of skin, perhaps hardening of the face. All the excessive lines to me should be reserved for some Sith Lord who has practiced long and hard in the force, perhaps even corrupting himself with some arcane Sith knowledge and powers. I do think there should be some visual difference, as far as pc games go I like visual candy. Dooku was obviously dark, and I had no problem with fact he didnt have yellow eyes but that was a movie. Now Palpatine does have I think yelllow eyes and scars and such, but this guy is really, really high up, messing with the force, long time. I know what the darkside transitions are. I wonder are the light side transitions making the character look more holy? Dammit I got to play a lightside character.

I played darkside and I had forgotten I do remember he charged that beast which I killed in like maybe 5 swings. The beast killed him and I think I remember looking back and thinking that was odd. Also when you charge the Sith, does not the TFC Lieut. bite it on Telos? He says, "We will charge after you go." I did a Master Force Jump and they never moved I run after killing all of them and they finally come forward when I run toward the original Sith position, maybe it was a mine. Thought that was funny. Anyway he does show up on Ravenger, you might almost barely miss him unless your thorough. I saw when I looked at his face that he was going to have to die. He looked to pissed off. But apparently he will join you if you ask. I didnt though and I fought him. I remember this battle because I was filling pretty strong here and had not had any challenges for quite a while. Basically it was me Sith Maurader, Mandalore, and Atris. But Atris was on stationary stance and I dont think she did anything the whole battle. Mandalore shot a few times with his onderon blaster but I think he missed every time. So I was fighting this guy, and thinking damn uh he is still alive, shame he has to be 3 vs 1. Hmm, he is still alive, uh hmmm. Little longer, damn he is fairly tough, starting to think maybe I should ... start thinking. I am actually starting to lose life. LOL. Anyway he died with me losing like 150 life of about 450. Far as I could check combat record, Atris never did anything, and Mandalore always missed and it was primarily melee. Getting my character down 150 pts, I gave him much respect.

Lol, hehe, ... grins, your are weak, I would cut you down with my double-bladed light sabre. No honestly, I played a darkside character in KOTOR II, 16 Guardian, 12 Maurader and is was damn harder than I imagine being lightside would be. I always had to be careful what I asked for I did not want any lightside points. Only once in the game I think I got lightside points talking to Handmaiden and I think that was a bug. I mean its a battle keeping dark and trying to open dialogue options. Going from I dont give a crap about you ... to tell me something, espeically if it provides insight into this story .... that has no ending like KOTOR II. Of course at the time I didnt know that it had no ending but yea you need dialogue options to open them up but you dont want to be a softy. Anyway .... this is a spoiler, I remember I almost forget. Nar Shadda was my last planet to do. I had been darkmastery +1-8 dmg melee since like level 13 I think and only lost it once and promplty told T3-M4 I would sell him for scrap if the Ebon Hawke starting having mechanical problems. Dwoooooo.... That didnt bother me. But I am like level 24 and I am looking for the last piece of equipment for the damn HK droid and I suspect the droid in there helping the blind technician might know where it is so I ask him for a little bit more after he gives me the droid protype shield for the schematics from the droid he wanted me to get from Kodin I think was the case. Anyway I say, "Hey buddy thats not enough and that I made a copy of the schematics and that I am basically extorting him." So the droid says, "Those prototype schematics will help my master and save the shop I am just a simple droid and I have nothing to give, here take these and sell them to a merchant." Droid says, "Future of my master is most important and our shop". So the droid rips out his motivators and speech parts...and gave them to me... At this point I was like level 24+ must of had bonus points past the max in darkside. I literally sought out each every opportunity to do something evil. It was wearing on me. So combination of looking for HK droid parts, long journey, seeing this droid do this I was like wtf, that bothered be more than anything. I had to buck up. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed playing Darkside. It is just after killing 3 Master Jedi, Sion, Kreia, Nihilius, hundreds of Sith I didnt expect to be stuck on a rock out on space. Of course now we know that was not how it was supposed to end. If you play a nice guy you dont even have to read half the dialogue options just pick one that is nice. Darkside has to read them all.

Finishing the game in a day is a symptom of either a personal problem or the fact you borrowed it from a friend. Anyway its practically impossible without a walkthrough, or friend standing by. You would have to go, go, go all the time, and click through practically all the dialogue. Some of the dialogue you actually have to read to get clues in order to finish the game something you couldnt do just by clicking through it all the time. I suspect you played the xbox version and borrowed it from a friend over the weekend, in fact he/she joined you and together you ran through it over a long day. You would have to had autolevel all your party skip picking up items. Thats one way to play a game, but not the basis for forming general conclusions. Your experience was not comparable to what most people who played the game experienced. Playing it on a PC playing your own copy at your own pace enjoying the music, the scenary, the dialogue the unique descriptions of the items you find as you could imagine changes your perspective especially when you dont have a waltkthrough nor seek one. Your post suggests you must be very young. I wouldnt be surprised if you were 12 years old, nothing wrong with that however. Somethings just dont add up, only experience and time can give you that. I have already played the game, and I am not sure how fast I could do it. I could only maybe just do it in 20 hours because I played the game. and already know what to do. I would also have to purposefully skip quests, and dialogue not important to main quests and I would have to know all the maps to know exactly where to go and again I could only do that because I have already played it. The stupid most incorrect thing about your post and why I posted is because you were not honest with us in your initial post. Your post should be deleted by any well intentioned moderator as SPAM because your post is a fabrication of truth and everyone knows it. If you were honest that would be different but we dont have all the facts.

I would really like to play a lightsided jedi because it would extend the game some what. But I have trouble with jedi's: 1) no women, no sex, not sure, maybe loveless sex 2) must act meek 3) must not be proud 4) must not seek riches 5) must not seek power 6) must not show emotions They give me the creeps. Kind of like goody goodies. Its hard to believe, except for the fact they take these force sensitive children at a very young age 3-5 years old then train them from childhood away from their families. Practically mindwash them. Are they even capable of emotions? None of it seems natural. Anger, emotions, conquest, power, victory, breaking chains and subjugating the weak is the best. Let the strongest lead. Sure Sith lie, cheat, steal, backstab, manipulate, deceive and kill but of the two I would rather be a dark jedi because I can do whatever I want. Its a interesting question, one of the unique things that makes these games so successful. As a sidepoint, I am sure I woudl enjoy a lightsided character. I played one in Fallout 2 and after a while all the thanks, gratitude and ease of mind from doing good deeds and taking it to the bad guy grows on you. I might just start up KOTOR I and do a lightsided if I can manage it. I know the ending of KOTOR I definitely rewards you. The handmaidens mother was expelled from the Jedi order in KOTOR II for having a child, her. I have a little trouble with that. Its things like that, perhaps future KOTORS made by other companies will expand on this dilema for I am ignorant of Star Wars lore and have only my thoughts. But I know what I feel, and in feeling I feel the call of the darkside at least as I currently see it displayed in KOTOR universe.

A rock. A freaking rock. In space. Outer space. There was no revelations, no resolution. There was no ending to this game. Just me on a rock in space. I will probably just keep ranting and try to forget, oh but I will remember a few things,... Obsidian, KOTOR II, LucasArts, A rock. Whats funny is the movie, I think is called , "Assuming the Dark Throne." Yes thats the name of the movie that shows my glorious dark jedi on a rock in space. Was that a sick joke about going to the darkside? Stranded on a rock? Its all you know without replaying dialogue options and getting lame Kreia future predictions and coming here to these forums to find missing and deleted dialogue and scenes. It is a undeniable fact that will eventually become excepted, KOTOR II is a game without a ending, it is a book missing the last 20 pages, it is a movie missing the last 5 minutes. WTF=Obsidian. KOTOR II is the epitome of either massive ineptitude or hellish bean counting, either way what a blight on gaming as a fun entertainment medium. I think the modders will save it, because they will make a name for themself. Your best bet would be to beat them to it.

Crap lol after spending 50+ hours, actually close to 100 I had no satisfaction with how the game ended. I was on Malenchor, without a ship, no way off, with nothing. It ended so wierdly so quickly it seemed empty. My whole game as darkside was to kill the jedi, destroy the republic and take the crown of the new Darth Lord. The old witch didnt even say anything to me, because I was so full of darkside I just said, "Are you ready to die old women?", "Proud words, die old women." Then I killed her and threw her corpse down the shaft. Then it ended. I was like wtf, what about: 1) my ship 2) my crew 3) Revan 4) the Sith 5) those droids 6) the shield thingy 7) the future of the republic and galaxy Bla. How am I going to get off this planet. I am not stupid I just didnt slaughter hundreds of Sith and the remants of the jedi counsel to go into exile, or quit, or sit on some planet. Where is the victory scene. My victory was stolen................... Later I went back to previous save changed a few dialogue options, wow now I get lame future predictions, crap. Lame. Where was my climax, my emotional release? Actually after thinking about it initially I figured I would of course escape, could use Melanchor as a base of operations, and might run into some of my old companions, eventually. I thought this myself. But as the scene panded out, showed me way inside the deep center of Melanchor, and panned out across space I began to have doubts. It was a unsastifying ending. I wondered without certainty about many unanswered things. Things which Kotor very neatly finalized, why should there be any less now. To many questions left unanswered it all seemed pointless and stupid. I felt pointless and stupid. The game made me fill pointless and stupid. In some wierd way, its like Kreia had the last laugh. She felt the force was stupid and pointless, at least to my darkside character and its like the game makes you feel like Kreia did about the force. When the game is over, you feel Kreia through the game, you feel pointless and stupid. I could almost hear her laughing somewhere. I think thats maybe why I needed the cutscene more than anything, the conclusions the wrap up, for Kreia was invading my pc gaming experience. I killed her, there was a point, wasnt there??????????????????????/ Damn you Kreia. But there was a point. I have decided to believe there was a point. I have found it hear in the missing dialogue. I consider them lost transmissions. I need them I broke the bond Kreia, you are dead. GoGo modders this will be like the guy who edited out JarJar in the StarWars movie. The modders will produce the ending and it will be a big joke in gaming, but at least we will get the last laugh. Friend say, "Just got Kotor II." Friend replys, "Did you get the patch, and the Revised Sith Lord ending mod?" Cool. So now after reading all these threads at this forum I finally get it I think and have some solace with my fellow pc gamers. After reading the missing dialogue and scenes I see what they must of ultimately wanted. It was only fitting that you would at the very least have these endings. This game essentially did not have a ending. It just stopped. No pay off. Without these forums, people discussing the missing dialogue most people playing the game would never have any idea what they did or why. What a monumental mistake in what could of been a classic. I cam to this forum after playing the game not to discuss how great it was but to figure out what the heck happened. Kotor 2 is much like a book with the last 20 pages missing. LOL its kind of funny in a sad way. It was all about Melanchor, it was where it started where you lost your force, turned away from it. Yet the game didnt include it, its practically unforgivable. This game if it was a movie is missing its last 5 minutes. The freaking conclusion. Wow the ending would of been great. I was supposed to see and know this: If Darkside, the characters would of done their things you would of seen the effect of your actions/influence. You would keep Malenchor as it is, not restore it, keep it as the dark place it is and use it to train dark jedi. If lightside with Bao-Durs help you would of used the Shield thingy to revitalize the planet seen the effect of your actions and used it as the new base of Jedi lightside teachings and trained lightside jedi. The planet would of rejuvenated itself. You would of brought life to planet you previously helped destroy. Now with your new frame of mind lightside (redemption) or dark (decision made, decision accepted) you prepare for the next war, against the true Sith, which Revan went after to either defeat or lead. You as exile, would of decided the fate of the republic in known space as either strong in the dark or strong in the light.

Orchomene said, I disagree however with your conclusions. Your philosophical examination I think is very good but does good philosophy make for good gaming? Basic ideas are game is supposed to be fun and have rewards, tangible rewards, items, cut scenes, skills, etc. A person invests 50+ hours in a game especially a sequel they at least expect a similarl nice conclusion with quality endings. Think about it nobody plays middle of road characters, maybe a few people. Most play all dark or all light. The rewards should justify the effort. Light side characters should destroy Melanchor, reestablish jedi counsel, jedi academy finish npc character intereactions. Its not lame, or wrong its what a jedi would do. Dark side character would not destroy Melanchor, students would come, he would train them, Kreia would of given him a new title upon her death, Darth

Finished the game yesterday and was ignorant of anything. Stayed away from internet, gaming magazines. Was expecting a nice finish like Kotor I. Man was I surprised when it ended, you would of thought someone shot my dog. Glad to see I am not the only one who feels cheated. At least these forums are some comfort. I played a Darkside character for 50+ hours, no I am not going to exile, and yes I am Sith, Kreia whatever you say and I want my star cruiser and mask and name Dark Lord. Bite me I was cheated.

attack +1 +3 Char +3 Dex +4 Str Dmg +3 Darkside I think I only upgraded it twice. The second time was a accident. I mean I asked her about it the first time and she upgraded it. I asked her about it about 2-3 more times and nothing happened so I stopped. Later in the game I asked her again, just double checking the dialogue tree's you know and boom, 2nd upgrade. Then things starting happening so fast that I never had a chance nor did I know would have a chance never again. Apparently it has like 6 ranks or something I saw something regarding it at gamefaqs in one of the guides for Kotor II, which didnt really make sense at the time. Whats potentially interesting in a way is I was maxed darkside at level 16 and never dropped. -->Seems goofy, does not really matter, but maybe you would get better results if you slowly increased your darkside points. Who knows?! Doesnt really matter. Jedi Guardian 16 Sith Maurader 12

I have american unpatched KOTOR II and I did this computer terminal thingy in Nadds's tomb during Sith Raid mission, with 3 members. I initially did the divide first but the terminal blew up. Like 3 different times I tried. Eventually "light goes off in head" I multiply and it works. No explanation by me. I cant imagine why only one worked for me. I figured lol that the programmer only knew of one way or just only applied one way to work. After so many tries I was just tired and frustrated. The prize is meaningless, was lightsabre crystal +1-10 cold, +? wisdom I think. Never used it. Eventually found another somewhere shortly afterward. The real ballbuster that I think I got lucky with was the droid warehouse, where on my third try I got it right. 1-Rotate center block counter-clockwise 2-Rotate left most block counter-clockwise 3-rotate right most block clockwise That was pure luck I didnt even understand it after I did it. Supposedly you can blow it up, the terminal.

Based on around 10 posts to date, and about 60+ responses just at this forum regarding ati not performing in this game and performing poorly in kotor I. I just took out my ati 9600 256 and put in my old geforce 4 mmx and now I can run it with everything max, 1280x960. Previously with the ati I got a nice black screen after the intro movie. Major fubar on obsidian's part, half people have ati. Game was made for xbox and it shows. Still a year to revisit Kotor is nice, but you need a geforce? and by now ati should be included!! and not buggy. Lame. I will learn force choke, persuade, and many other dark tricks, I will make all pay for your mistakes. This was just the video card I wont even mention the other bugs that have been reported in many reviews at gamerankings.com. Its practically the same damn game how could you fubar it up?? From game of the year, to game don't run. To the xboxers who will never get a patch you just created legions of angry consumers and now pc users with ati. Brillant. Darth Manitsbuggy