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  1. My "real" exile= - Named Lahiri (never bothered thinking up a last name) - The same "headavatar" that appears in Aimo's depiction of the character - Blue lightsaber and extensively modified pistol for weaponry - Always thought of her as being "Revan's ex" - Began the game guarded and a bit anti-social, but became more open and lightsided as it progressed - Rarely wore her lightsaber where people could see it, and didn't really start wearing Jedi robes until the closing stages of the game
  2. My Revan was Han Solo with a lightsaber. Seriously, that's all there was to it. He was even called Adahn Solo (note, he wasn't my first Revan character- and "Adahn" was a tribute to another character with memory problems...) On the X-Box he had a blue lightsaber up until the first confrontation with Malak, where upon it's destruction by the dark lord (I made this up in my own head you understand) he constructed a green one. Until that point he'd worn his scout clothes exclusively, but after joining the Sith Academy he stayed in dark master robes for the rest of the game, even though he was LS. Well, *more or less* LS. He wasn't perfect. He killed Juhani for example and often seemed capable of slipping to the dark side (really hard ot justify Vrook's attitude otherwise). I was trying to echo Luke's costume and lightsaber development basically. On the PC, I couldn't resist the super-lightsaber crystals however, so the "ending the game with a green lightsaber" stopped. The PC version of him spared Juhani, but he was still incredibly arrogant and in danger of slipping to the dark side. I actually edited a lot of the TLK files so that I could give more ****y/arrogant/Han-like responses than the ones BioWare had coded.
  3. (Note, the quote function wasn't being helpful, so italics will have to do - all quotes, aside from Avellone's, attributed to Sikon) If they want to explore that time period in detail, and there are a lot of signs that they do, they can't just say that "historical details were lost". Because in contemporary materials, it isn't history, it's modern age. I'm aware of that. Which is why I said that they shouldn't have released a KotOR comic or any other material set in the "KotOR era". My opinion on the matter is that they flat out *shouldn't* have been exploring that area of history in detail outside of the games. Of course you have to clarify things such as Revan/the Exile's alignment and gender if you're going to release a whole bunch of materials in the same era, but saying it's neccessary is incorrect - because those "new materials" themselves were certainly not neccessary. Ideally, KotOR 1/2 would only have been referenced in the NEC or whatever in passing - and at that point, it *would* have been ancient history. When saying "strict continuity", I didn't mean that the continuity is free from problems. There are inconsistencies, but if they didn't care about the continuity, they wouldn't retcon them at all. Well, I don't doubt that they care about their continuity, hell, that's the problem - they care about it *too* much. I'm one of the few who would support a full reboot. The retcons at least wrap it up and reduce the number of loose ends, and this is the right direction to take, even if they don't totally succeed in it. Inconsistencies here and there are inevitable due to the amount of existing material, but with the introduction of the Holocron, the problem was reduced. *Shrug* I enjoy clever retcons as much as the next guy. I'd just rather have things reworked from the ground up so that they weren't needed. So, if you don't like the fact that the genders were canonized, That quote is mocking the people who get uptight about the timeline and so called "consistancy". Mainly in reference to the huge jump in technological standards between TotJ and KotOR. Surely my stance of not *wanting* to clarify something in the timeline is kinda off in the other direction? Though the bitching at LucasFilm bit stuff stands. Oh well, thanks for the quote anyway Si, it makes me chuckle and I always enjoy reading it. End of the day, it doesn't matter, because NONE of it is real. It just realllly bugs me. Like Christiano Ronaldo
  4. To have a single, consistent universe. Sorry Sikon. That's bull. They could have had a single, consistant universe without clarifying it. All they had to do was gloss over that area of history in the databases, leave it at: "Historical records of this time period have been lost" And let people make up their own minds as to what "really happened". I don't know exactly what happened in world history- but I don't doubt that there was only *one* timeline. As I said in another post, both here, and over at Jedi Council Forums, if LucasFilm don't want ambigious characters, or ambigious endings, they shouldn't give us a choice in LucasArts published games. I've been called anal over this, and I suppose I am - but honestly, had LucasFilm not been so anal themselves, then I'd not be angry at all would I? Why do the authors *need* to reference the characters? It's w*nk. They don't *need* to - and there certainly didn't need to be a comic set in the KotOR timeframe - though it is good. LucasFilm know that the KotOR era is more popular amongst casual Star Wars fans than any other, so they're milking it. That's their right, sure, but it still sucks. And come on, a "strict" continuity? STRICT? Star Wars? It's a jumbled mess that retcons itself all the time. If it was truly *strict,* it would have abolished itself in the wake of the prequels and rebooted. They should have kept all the stuff relating to KotOR *within the games*. Any references in other media would simply be: "Historical records of this time are scattered and contradictory - there is even great debate amongst scholars as to whether "Darth Revan" was male or female" Then they'd at least have shown some respect to the fans, for most of whom the appeal was playing an important part in Star Wars history as your *own* character. Honestly, I'd have preferred it if all the KotOR stuff had been declared infinities and was therefore nothing to do with proper Star Wars continuity - which is a mess, despite the clever retcons - letting the developers do what they want within the setting. Don't me wrong, I'll probably get just as excited as anyone else if Revan crops up in the KotOR comics - even if he's been given a canon appearance - but there will always be a part of me that is angry about the unnecessary clarifications. Neccessary clarification = Kyle Katarn doesn't go dark in Dark Forces II, as if he did, all post RotJ continuity would go to hell Unneccessary clarification = Revan/the Exile's gender/alignment. As both are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
  5. In general, I resent any "canonizing" of the KotOR games, because it's unneccessary and stems purely out of LucasFilms desire to use the characters in other media. How is it difficult to put a disclaimer on Revan or the Exile's "Official Character" sheet that says that "lots of information on this personality has been lost, we don't even know if they're male or female, or what even exactly happened during this period of time". It's only difficult because LucasFilm know how popular the KotOR stuff is, and want to milk the era for all its worth outside of the games as well. Only *then* does Revan/the Exile's gender or alignment become an issue. With Jedi Knight, I understand the rationale for making the light side ending canon. The ds ending messed up all the post RotJ continuity - but since neither ending in KotOR, nor Revan's gender, makes any difference in the grand scheme of things, canonizing it is a load of w*nk. I think LucasFilm might find that this canonizing tactic will backfire on them - as the major appeal of the protagonists in the KotOR games is that they're *your* characters. It won't be long before we get a canon appearance for the pair, and then a canon name for the Exile. Probably a couple of "canon novels" too, taking the place of the games. If LucasFilm don't want ambigious characters in their continuity, they should stop letting LucasArts publish games that give us a choice. Whatever - the biggest bugger about this is that the male exile story just works better. You get the better subplot with Atris, the better subplot with Brianna - the only thing you miss out on is the Darth Sion stuff. (That said the Exile/Atton relationship is probably my favourite, even though its a tad underdeveloped) Interestingly, if they *had* to canonize events, I'd have gone with a female Revan (not enough badass female sith lords) and a male Exile. Sure, I prefered the Bastila relationship to Carth's... but they could always get BioWare to go back and script a female/Bastila romance....
  6. My gut feeling says Revan would take this. I've got nothing to go on other than that. We can't possibly know. Since I tend to place Revan inbetween Yoda and Luke in terms of potential and power - though I've nothing to support that - I'd say that straight up, Revan would defeat Palpatine. Well, movie Palpatine anyway. Sidious being the "most powerful Sith ever" only works with me if that's taking into account *every aspect* of him, and NOT just his power in the Force - so that means that when you add his political genius, his being Emperor of the Galaxy and THEN his force power, you get the "most powerful Sith ever". The problem is that the RotS film made Palpatine look pretty crap. I'm sorry, but it did. When he cut down those three masters, he didn't look good - they just looked bad. Then he proceeded to lose to Mace Windu (though I'm aware of the possum debate) and only beat Yoda down to luck. And this was all with the light side being at its *weakest ever*. Had Palpatine been the most *powerful* Sith ever, he should have *pillaged* both Mace and Yoda, since the dark side was reaching it's zenith. As it stands, he tried to *run away* from Yoda when he was confronted. Oh, and as a side note, can I just point out that Kreia was referring specifically to lightsaber combat when she spoke of the ancient Sith Lords being greater than the KotOR era ones? And that's down to the techniques having been lost over time, rather than the KotOR era folks being "incapable of ever being as good". And unless he gave it to Uthar Wynn - who he killed anyway - it's likely Revan got a hold of Tulak Hord's holocron... so... Whatever. It doesn't matter. The two will never fight and LucasFilm are never going to release a big "Midi-chlorian" list or something, so the debate is pointless. I like Revan more, so my opinion is incredibly slanted. I mean, I was a Jedi vicariously through Revan - not Palpatine.
  7. Nah, it just means "make sure you set your gender to "male" in the globals so that you avoid Disciple". Awful character - mainly because of the voice. Anyone thought of doing a re-dub on that?
  8. Yeah, but if you *do* get enough influence with him, GO-TO's story is one of the funniest. His referring to governmental activities as "legal, slower, more boring crimes" had me cracking up. As did his tale about using holovid cliches to invoke fear. So, I changed my "GO-TO is boring" opinion... even though it took me a year, since I had no real incentive to use him in the party.
  9. In your first conversation with Atton when he's in the force cage, follow the dialog tree and you'll get to the point where you can define Revan's sex/gender. If you decide to skip over it entirely ("I could care less about Revan's fate") before Atton mentions any gender, then the game will assume that the game ended with Revan as a LSM. If you continue talking to Atton, he'll suggest that Revan was female. If you back out of the dialog tree from this point on, the game will assume Revan was a LSF. To make Revan dark side, you have to specifically tell Atton that that's what happened - "I heard that Revan went to Korriban to unite the Sith", or whatever - the choices are fairly obvious. I'm almost certain that you could have found this out by running a search of the forums though
  10. Who is Nihilus? Hmmmmmmmm.......... *ponder, ponder, ponder* Ok, pondered. I support the "Zayne is Nihilus" theory. - He is similar to the Exile, so the Exile/Nihilius parallels remain - There's a "Destroyer of Worlds" prophesy floating around in his series. That is all.
  11. They did? I know that they showed the Sith Empire being beaten, Kressh dying and Sadow fleeing to Yavin IV... but not the fate of the entire Sith Empire... Are you sure the idea that "everything was assimilated into the Old Republic" wasn't just a fan assumption. Much like the "fact" that Naga Sadow was killed by Nadd - is this ever actually *stated* in the comics? No. Assumption. Bare in mind that due to KotOR's popularity, it has had a tremedous impact on the Star Wars continuity and what is and isn't "canon". For example, previously the archaic technological asthetic of TotJ was considered to be "what it was back then", now KotOR's interpretation is the one most widely accepted. I mean, the comics are hardly consistant in terms of presentation- Slyvar completely changes appearance between "The Sith War" and "Redemption." Fair enough, but then why are you buying the KotOR games? They revolve around their stories which you don't seem to like because the central protagonist is lame. It would be like me watching Dawson's Creek and complaining that Dawson was in it. But since I did do that... so I guess I'm being a hypocrite All Obsidian did was give Revan motivation for going dark. They didn't justify what Revan did - they explained how *Revan* justified what he did. It didn't make him any less evil or twisted once the dark side took hold of him. Jediphile's comments on this seem spot on to me. Edit: Quotes are working for me?
  12. The Bastila model was great - but the Bastila art was better. Essentially because "art" Bastila looked more like a real person. Now... Atris... Atris... Atris... Gosh. I like the picture of her fighting Nihilius - nothing else however. In game, she looked like a hamster who'd gone sledging - but far worse was the voice... why the *hell* did they pick such a horrible sounding voice actress? Urg... it was just... yuck. It was *not* what I was expecting to come out of her mouth. The accent, the intonation, pronuciation... everything was foul. In fact, the first thought that sprang to mind was: "Hey, so this is where Dia's been hiding since I saved her from Holden, that's a new look for her"... the VA could have at least *tried* to make her voice different from the myriad of minor characters she'd already voiced in the same friggin series. Everything about Atris was annoying really - it's no wonder that so many Jedi ran off to war with masters who sounded like her prattling off. I mean, they could have at least tried to make Atris' viewpoint arguable, sew a little doubt in our minds. But no, its quite clear from the moment she starts being an annoying bint that she's in the wrong and we're in the right.
  13. KotOR failed to explain some of the most important questions regarding Revan, such as what he would do once he had regained all of his power, and what made him turn during the war. One of those questions was answered in KOTOR:2. Still, with your logic we wouldn't get Fallout 2, or any host of other sequels. One could argue that Star Wars was a complete stand-alone movie upon release, and we would never had gotten Empire Strikes Back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? There were no important questions regarding Revan after KotOR I - he did whatever it was I thought he did. He was my character. I like KotOR II a lot, but it certainly wasn't a necessary sequel as KotOR I works fine standalone.
  14. Urm, how does this ruin KotOR III or Star Wars in any way? Since when has Galaxies been considered a part of official continuity? There are like a million Jedi running around in the Galactic Civil War era...
  15. Well, there was a reason they killed him off early plus he had to make way for the way more manly Ulic.
  16. I think overall I liked the characters (even the ones that were the same) and their interaction with the player *slightly* better in K1, but a good part of that is nostalgia and the fact that it was "the first". Though it was a little touch and go in TSL, I feel the influence idea is a good one and should continue into future installments of the series. After all, though you're right in saying your character's alignment wasn't compromised in KotOR I - it certainly compromised the personalities of the NPC characters. Why exactly would Carth ever open up to a malicious credit stealing b*stard? It made little sense. However this can also be said of KotOR II - as influence is not based on how much "positive" influence you have, but how far away from the initial "0" influence you are. -100 influence works just as well as +100 for opening up dialog, it just works opposite on alignment. Ideally, KotOR III would have something of a hybrid between the two systems - one set of dialogs being focused on an NPCs background and being "influence based" and any vital plot information being in the "opens up at certain points in the game based" - the main problem being that in my first playthrough, I had *no* idea what the Mass Shadow Generator was, as I'd never gotten enough negative or positive influence with Bao-Dur to get him to open up... So yeh, I guess the key concept I liked was the casual friendship form of relation. I'd agree there - there was more of "A New Hope" feel about the cast, bickering and arguing yet all caring for each other at the same time... though I never liked Juhani, who was basically a worthless addition in terms of story/character and just the "extra Jedi", neither did she ever seem to be a "part of the group" particularly. Which is why I killed her more often than not. (Whether LS or DS... after all, Luke failed his "test" in the cave and he turned out alright) - Having said that, I liked the relationship between the Exile and Atton. He seemed like the only "friend" I had on the Hawk (having bonded over mutal Kreia mocking).
  17. Not really, they commited their "offences" at different times. Jolee during the TotJ era, where the Jedi were more liberal with things like love and marriage - I mean Andur was married to Nomi. Generally, it's believed that the "Thou shalt not marry/thou shalt not love" stuff came into affect sometime after the Sith War. No doubt these sorts of changes had yet to come into affect when Jolee was tried. As the younger masters (Vrook - ha, imagine young Vrook!) superceded these old masters, they brought their own more "right-wing" opinions, having been knights seeing comrades fall during the Sith War, often due to emotions like love- thus the Jedi Order became more rigid and unforgiving of such crimes. That's the stance I take on it anyway.
  18. Oh, right - well ok then. The comics tend to contradict all those other sources anyway... damnable things... I think KJA was on more crack than usual when writing them.
  19. Yet I've never been able to see it like that, because nothing else is even alluded to. There is no "greater picture". Going from that, it would seem that the war *was* only fought on the main front. Well we can't be sure about time because while it doesn't say that it does show scenes that seem to have a lot of time between them, for example when Ulic is captured the issue ends. The next issue seems to start at least a month afterwords considering that Aleema is whining about how many of her Commanders were rebelling against her because Ulic was gone. I don't know about the whens and hows the issues end, since I have the compilation (a little rough around the edges now)- yet in that instance the exact phrasing of the panels goes: "Cinneagar in the Empress Teta system. The Krath must regroup now that their leader, Ulic Qel-Droma has been captured. Aleema leads them now. But not all teh insurgent forces are willing to forget about Ulic so easily" (Que people getting eaten alive by plant monster bwahaha) As it says "now that their leader, Ulic Qel-Droma has been captured" - as opposed to "since", it seems to be happening as soon as they've gotten back to the Empress Teta system, it's also talking about regrouping - so even if it does take place a month after, hell, even it takes place several years after the Coruscant attack, they've faught no more battles in the Sith War since Coruscant, similarly, this is suggested by the fact Mandalore still obsesses over the "recent" botched Coruscant attack. Also Mandalore ends up flying from Empress Teta to Yavin. I highly doubt that trip could have taken only a few seconds given what the EU has said about hyperspace. Then Exar goes from Yavin to Corecant and you seem to assume that that trip only takes a few seconds too. Just because somthing doesn't give you a time stamp doesn't mean that time doesn't pass. I just leaves the amount of time up to the reader. Two seconds? No, possibly a day? Yes- Coruscant has pretty much every major hyperspace route going through it, it's the galactic captial for a reason and reaching it isn't too time consuming. Hmm actually, having said that, in TPM the royal starship doesn't have enough energy/power whatever to reach Corsucant... hmmm Even so, it can't have taken too long, considering Ulic's trial begins before Kun leaves and ends when he arrives. Maybe it's the difference between the first and last day of his trial... *shrug* the point I'm making is that while its happening, Exar Kun isn't converting any more Jedi. again just because somthing doesn't specifically tell you that time has passed doesn't mean it hasn't. Of course, which is why I *have* gone through all the comics looking for instances where there could be a great deal of time passing, or where there could be other battles taking place. There aren't. At least, not enough for it to be a war on a galactic scale. I thought I'd found it in the two-page spread of the Jedi masters being attacked... but no, as soon after you have Crado pleading with Kun to spare him for failing to kill the Jedi master - which assumedly would have happened earlier if "much time had passed" during the Jedi Master butchery. Even if you stretch it out as much as possible, it cannot possibly last more than three months - which is hardly lesser in terms of magnitude than the Mandalorian Wars or the Jedi Civil War. Just remember that I have no qualms with saying the Sith War was a gigantic conflict I can quite happily go with what the (original) Official Guide to Characters said: "Exar Kun and Ulic disappeared for several years, gaining tremendous powers of the dark side. Kun created a distorted version of the Jedi Code for his dark-side followers, estsablishing a powerful Brotherhood of the Sith. Qel Droma reappeared, commanding his own militaristic and bloodthirsty Krath sect. Eventually, Kun, Qel-Droma, and Aleema joined forces against the Galactic Republic and the Order of the Jedi Knights. The great council of Jedi convened on Deneba to discuss how to proceed. Master Vodo-Siosk Bass volunteeered to go to his onetime student and attempt to help him away from the dark side, but Kun slew his Master, forever servering his ties to the light side of the Force. The conflict that resulted would become known through the ages as the Sith War, one of the largest and bloodiest wars the galaxy ever witnessed. The armies of the Sith and the Krath were responsible for millions of deaths. In the end, Ulic Qel-Droma betrayed Exar Kun by telling the Jedi about the Sith Lord's base of power on Yavin Four." There was no "army of the Sith" in the comics, none at all. The Krath sure, and I suppose the massassi to an extent could be considered a "Sith army", but that's not what's implied above. Best guess (and I'm using my imagination here people so bear with me) is that the Comics, instead of giving a linear retelling of the entire war from start to finish, are focusing only on the most significant of events in the plot line. They would have left out things like the training of the young renegades and releasing them again simply because it's boring and has very little to do with the overall plot line. I do not accept that the comics give an accurate depiction of even the highlights of what actually happened. At best you could say that they were like the retelling of a myth - having the main events overblown, the main characters overblown, but nothing else contained because it had been forgotten. So the reason there were only few battles was because they were the only battles that could be rememebered in any great detail etc. Which isn't the same as what you've just put forward which (seems to be) "the Sith War comics do present to us what happened, but everything else happens in the background" - there *is* no background. None at all - its not a case of being "told" that there's a background or not, its the fact that there is *nowhere fitting to insert it*. Nowhere. And there were *only* twenty Jedi - there was never a point where Kun trains more and there is no place to assume that enough time passes for him to do so: As soon as he's sent off the twenty Sith/Jedi, he runs to Ulic's trial. As *soon* as he gets back from Ulic's trial - they send Aleema to go blow herself up, then they raid Ossus. Then Ulic kills his brother, gets blocked from the Force and leads the Jedi to Yavin IV - where Kun is defeated. Regardless of how long this all takes - hyperspace journeys and all, the fact of the matter is that the events happen one after the other and nothing takes place inbetween. I'm sorry that this irritates me so much, but I loved those comics when I was smaller ... it frustrates me looking back on them they appear so badly executed. My complaint with what you said was that the Sith War seemed to be of a greater magnitude than the Jedi Civil War, yet regardess of whether this is true or not in the context of Star Wars continuity (and I'd say it probably was), if your opinion was taken purely from the reading of the comics I simply can't see how. Besides, like it or not, the timeframe and events of the comics appear to have been retconned because of the sort of gripes people have with them - and also to better fit in with KotOR, which due to its popularity, has become in many ways a "higher" source of continuity than the TotJ comics... which is somewhat ironic given the fact that so many people complained about the liberties it took with continuity, but I'm not complaining. Thus, if TotJ contradicts what's said in KotOR I and II... then its wrong. Much like with how the difference in technology works, the Basilisk War droids are completely different in TSL to what we see in TotJ - yet that's what the Mandalorians have been using all along. Having said that, Dark Horse seems keen to turn KotOR into TotJ... that cover for the new series... Ah well, I'll read it anyway, it's got Taris in.. maybe Zayne turns into Darth Nihilus *rubs hands together evilly*.
  20. Agreed, but it was a devasting act in itself. I don't dispute that what we saw in TotJ was was a big, concentrated sith attack - but to call it The Sith War, seems overblown. If you didn't like that story or the writing, then fine. I'm just saying that Exar and Ulic definitely left their mark on the Star Wars universe. Agree again - but it's only "The Sith War" because the continuity has taken the main events from the comics and expanded it to become a proper war. A lot of people don't like the way the Sith War or most of the Tales of the Jedi stories were written. I thought they were okay myself, though I'd scarcely call the writing good (adding "ancient Sith magics" is a bit of a crutch plotwise to say the least...). And as you say, there is a lot of background that's not detailed in those stories. That I can better forgive, however, since you have to choose your focus in your story. As has been noted in this very topic, K1 also didn't show us a lot of large confrontations in the Jedi Civil War that was said to be devastating to the Republic. You speak truly, except that the background isn't there at all in the comics. Everything got rushed for some reason - in the original conception, after turning to the dark side, Ulic and Exar disappear for several years whilst they build huge armies, convert other Jedi to their side - then they return and ignite the entire galaxy in war. This is what KotOR seens to present to us as happening, and it's the interpretation of the Sith War that I much prefer. The Yavin IV station Rodian's explanation of the Sith War is much more like I envisaged - and it directly goes against what was established in the comics. (For example, the Republic bomb the surface of Yavin IV) In the comics, after turning to the dark side - they bide their time for only six months, then Ulic leads his two armies against a shipyard (Exar Kun does not "lead an army" at all), Coruscant and briefly Ossus (Mandalore later attacks Onderon and dies). Exar Kun only converts twenty Jedi - there is no point during the Sith War series where you could say "much time passes whilst the war engulfs the galaxy" The problem is that the story must always center around the characters, and you can only put them in so many battles without letting them come to harm before credibility is hurt. In the Sith War comic, it is much more ofa significant point that Ulic kills his brother than it is if some unknown world with millions of unknown people is lost, because we don't know them and so don't care (much, anyway) about them, whereas we've been following Cay for 16 issues of TotJ at the point where he dies. Yeah, but to give the conflict the correct sense of scale - it should have been referenced. It would have taken *one* caption in *one* panel: "Many months/years pass as the Republic and the Jedi are engulfed in warfare, hundreds of Jedi die and many more convert to the teachings of Exar Kun" Then we could have jumped straight back into focusing on the characters. That's my problem with it - there is *no* time for a greater conflict to take place because it runs at such a breakneck speed. Nothing else happens in the so called "war" other than what we see, it's like a couple of 24 episodes. Nobody cares if some unknown extra dies in a movie - we care if it's one of the main characters. The most extreme case of this is in Star Trek, which got infamous for its use of "red shirts"... This was so pronounced at one point that a full character is dedicated to the "problem" in the Trek spoof Galaxy Quest (which I recommend - it's hilarious ) Love Galaxy Quest... Only saw it recently though - loved Rickman in that film: "I see you managed to get your shirt off" Classic. So while we may not see many people die in either war, we're still presumed that this is meant to have happened. Same thing with the Mandalorian Wars. But we can't presume that if we take the comics as canon. KotOR drops us in three years after the Jedi Civil War's started, we're *told* of the devastation being wreaked throughout the galaxy and we're basically in the role of "secret agents" and kept away from the big battles. The comics show us *every* battle of the Sith War, which amounts to the grand total of three. Another thing to remember from the Sith War is all the jedi that converted to the Sith ranks and killed their masters, which no doubt decreased the ranks of jedi, and left the number of jedi reduced, only to be drained further 40 years later, when Revan and Malak caused yet another split within the order. In the comics Kun only converted twenty Jedi... there were no more Ulic even mocks him for it. So that's only twenty masters - in a galaxy of thousands of Jedi. Though no doubt they were very prominant masters - and Exar Kun does finish off both Odan Urr and Vodo, who were up there as the two best of the time really. I do think that the jedi of the KotOR era are still hurting from the devastation Exar and Ulic caused to their ranks... The Jedi of KotOR era are still hurting from the devastation of the Sith War - but they're hurting from the Sith War as described in KotOR, the giant conflict, the galactic war - not the one of TotJ, which is what I'm arguing against. Tis all. As for "Ancient Sith Magics"... hehe, they actually got Vrook to spout that in KotOR I - it made me chuckle. I quite like the term actually, it seems to distinguish the Sith from the Jedi...
  21. I think the biggest problem with the transfer of HK-47 from KotOR I to II was the fact that his background and opinions had been changed... KotOR HK-47 on Malak: "He was brutal and efficient for an organic. I rather liked him." TSL HK-47 on Malak: "His meatbag apprentice was more like an angry club. He was also given to grandiose displays of brutality and murder that seemed inefficient and in many cases unnecessary." I guess he says "seemed" inefficient, but it still sticks out for me. Similarly, he went down from being fluent in 6000 forms of communication to 600... for whatever reason and the story of his creation clashes with the background given in KotOR I. Maybe he's just lying to the Exile... HK-47 fought Mandalore and lost. TSL has it that Hk-47 was created after the start of the Jedi Civil War. TSL also makes it clear that Canderous is first Mandalore since the one that was killed in the Mandalorian Wars... Sure HK said, "You created me shortly after you and your apprentice began your war to conquer the galaxy" - which was a mistake within KotOR 1, yet it was still open to interpretation and that "war" could have started anywhere during the Mandalorian Wars, when Revan and Malak adopted the Sith ways. Also, the Wizards of the Coast stats for HK-47 state that he was created to communicate with the Sand People specifically - even TSL references this, yet it still has it that HK-47 was created "Shortly after the start of the Jedi Civil War" - this was after Mandalore was dead and after the Star Forge had been found. And Tabori's delivery seemed somewhat.. off - there was more...(emotion?) It seemed too hammed up. I don't know... he just had a more "droid-like" and naturally hilarious tone in the first, in the second he grated. God, if I keep this level of nitpicking up I'm going to shoot myself... failing that I'm sure one of you guys will do it for me.
  22. In context, Revan and Malak were more devasting without having to use suns. The way you say it makes it sound like Kun and Ulic were doing it all the time, but it happened once - and it wasn't even Exar and Ulic, it was Aleema using overclocked Force powers thanks to the fat Kaibur/Sith crystals in front of her . And lets remember - though it sounds like it puts the war in a league of its own, it doesn't - what else did that act of blowing up suns devastate besides the fleet Aleema and Crado were fighting and Ossus' surface? Nothing. That, in addition to what I've already mentioned - does *not* consitute the IMMENSE WAR that the Sith War was meant to be - especially when we're talking about something as big as a galaxy! How can a war that lasts for a good 3 years be considered a "brush conflict" in comparision to a "war" that lasts for a week but has some big explosions? Revan and Malak anniliated more planets and caused more deaths than the Sith War presented in DHC, and they didn't have a Sith ship that exploded stars - though if they did, I'm sure they wouldn't be so stupid as to see the technology destroyed "just so it would take the traitors down with it". The Sith War *was* a devasting, huge conflict - but that's because it has been retconned since the TotJ days to be so - the "Great Sith War" that we were presented in KotOR is generally considered to be the "canon" now, not the bantha-poodoo presented in the Sith War comics. Good thing too. As for the rest of your post - I can't really find any fault just needed to clear up why I've never been able to take the Sith War seriously... nor Exar Kun (most overrated Sith Lord ever - even more so than Revan). If the comics were presenting the first of many conflicts, that would be cool - but they're not... its start to finish.
  23. Generally agree with everything said. I think you're spot on with T3, I loved him in KotOR II... I barely knew he was there in KotOR I. Though I think Canderous was a lot more than a hired gun - he was very high up in the Mandalorian hierarchy and planned a lot of the battles for the Mandys during the wars. The "hired gun" persona was a big step down, as he constantly rambles in KotOR. I'd agree that he doesn't really appear to have much motive for following the character in K2- maybe he was just having Revan nostaligia... or realised that he couldn't remain Mandalore for long if he didn't build up his levels again.
  24. But Atton by default believes Revan is female. I think the developers deliberately left the answer ambiguous. By the way, what does your lightsaber look like if you tell Atton you don't care? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But if you skip past the section there is no "Atton by default" as he says nothing on the matter... I'm not convinced it had to be left ambigious in the game, because Revan's gender and alignment is not ambigious, it's whatever the player has decided it is. What Atton says is fine - if he's actually as ignorant as he appears - but he knows a fair bit about who Revan was... so it seems like an out-of-character thing to say and used purely as a means to note the player's preferences. It just had to accept what we said, light or dark, male or female - it didn't need Atton's correct/incorrect assumption - and the "Maybe you're right, maybe I just hoped Revan was a woman" was like "huh? What a stupid thing to say" maybe that was the point... having said that, the bloke delivered most of his Peragus-Force cage lines pretty poorly (improvement thereafter)... wrong emphasis on words yada yada. "Excuse me if I don't shake hands, the field only causes mild electrical burns"... no emphasis on "mild" as there should have been. "Now that's criminal." No emphasis on "that's" as was called for. Wow, I'm picky ... I guess it shows how much I like the rest of the game. Right? Hmm, I don't know what the lightsaber looks like if you tell Atton you don't care... on my current game I told him it was a single hilt, but didn't give him the colour - so I guess it'll end up being blue, as I'm a guardian...
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