Gromnir

*sigh* elerond were/is the rational one. that were our point. to him we said, "don't be rational when somebody is demanding stuff be more like previous games... with the only apparent reason seeming to be that such is how things were done in previous games." am knowing our posting style can confuse, but this doesn't appear to be a case where we were obscure. HA! Good Fun! I got that you were calling him the rational one, evidenced by the fact that I said "if Elerond's the rational one, I guess that makes me the lunatic." (slight paraphrase) I followed you just fine. Not sure why you are thinking otherwise. ... is a weird conversation. quote: I was laughing as I typed my post. Just thought if Elerond was the rational one, I guess that would make me a raving lunatic. It's funny. At least I think so. Hey, maybe I really have cracked! am not understanding the "if Elerond was the rational one, I guess that would make me a raving lunatic" bit. particularly as you see the inferred contrast (again, we didn't call you a lunatic) as funny. you got yourself a very simple syllogism working, but is as if you don't recognize what you were doing or saying. *shrug* doesn't matter. we both agree that Gromnir called elerond rational and you provided no reason for your request beyond our observation that "somebody (you) is demanding stuff be more like previous games... with the only apparent reason seeming to be that such is how things were done in previous games." we already stated that lack o' a reason doesn't make you crazy. there is no cause for further confusion. is just... weird. HA! Good Fun!

*sigh* elerond were/is the rational one. that were our point. to him we said, "don't be rational when somebody is demanding stuff be more like previous games... with the only apparent reason seeming to be that such is how things were done in previous games." am knowing our posting style can confuse, but this doesn't appear to be a case where we were obscure. HA! Good Fun!

don't be rational when somebody is demanding stuff be more like previous games... with the only apparent reason seeming to be that such is how things were done in previous games. you take away such appeals and near 1/2 of the threads/posts on this board would disappear. HA! Good Fun! ps we want an option for a devil's haircut Right. Clearly I've lost my mind because I want 2 rings, an amulet and a cloak. Watch out. I just might snap! well now, aren't we sensitive? elerond asked for a reason for the change. your reason is, in point o' fact, nothing more than that such has been how you has seen this feature applied in previous crpgs. am not mischaracterizing and we didn't accuse you o' having lost your faculties. nevertheless... *shrug* am not believing any further explanation is required. is nothing wrong with wanting stuff to be familiar for no other reason than that such is familiar, but am thinking elerond deserved a better response than you provided. disagree? that is also fine. nevertheless, am amused that you would object to Gromnir's response, all things considered. HA! Good Fun!

that were fantastic. bands covering stairway to heaven is a punchline in 99.9% o' cases, but that were the exception to what we thought were a rule. and speaking of good covers that surprised the hell outta us, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pb8iLS18wo mtv "unplugged"? yeah, right. nevertheless, is perhaps the best lead belly cover we has ever heard, and considering just how frequent lead belly has been covered both honest and dishonestly, that is saying something. HA! Good Fun! ps and we know this is snarky, but frequent it seems to us as if "stairway to heaven" is one o' maybe five songs led zeppelin didn't steal. unfair? perhaps.

all-time diss rap? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRb9PONMeLY HA! Good Fun!

don't be rational when somebody is demanding stuff be more like previous games... with the only apparent reason seeming to be that such is how things were done in previous games. you take away such appeals and near 1/2 of the threads/posts on this board would disappear. HA! Good Fun! ps we want an option for a devil's haircut

The advantage of democracy in that context is that you can (theoretically) replace your decision-makers if/when they become too incompetent or too corrupt. To the extent that Chinese cultural practices encourage meritocracy and discourage excessive corruption (or that oligarchic party-committee practices effectively mimic the function of democracy), they may go a generation or two before that problem becomes acute. Or they may not. oh, we get the advantages o' democracy, but am thinking you are ignoring or forgetting another main value. "democracy" in modern western economies started, predictably, as a a benefit o' the folks with property. it has been taken as a bit o' a given that "sustained economic development is supposed to lead to the emergence of democratic institutions and, eventually, democracy through a combination of factors produced by such development." emerging middle-class, new values, increased education, yadda-yadda. regardless, it has been assumed that the more invested folks become in the economy, the more they will, inexorably, demand a stake in the decision making process. the push-pull between capitalism and socialist or the kuznets curve or whatever is the nouveau chic way o' describing the inevitable expansion o' the franchise in western democracies has been seen as a near forgone conclusion. if you don't give your new capitalists democracy, they will eventual take it themselves... or that has been the prevailing wisdom for a Long time. china is different... is culturally different... is Geographically different. is hard to believe, but as enormous as the population is in china, historically, virtual all peoples live along two fertile river valleys. is a single, largely homogeneous culture that has endured autocrats and oligarchs whose dynasties spanned many centuries. such has been the norm in china. "Chinese cultural practices encourage" oligarchy as much as they does meritocracy. yadda-yadda. again, am expecting wondering just how far china can go without real democracy. the progress china has made is not near as significant as some suggest, but they do now have a kinda emerging middle-class. is china culturally different enough to endure and continue to grow with a system of government that tends to lead to stagnation? your own role in our system is impossible in modern china, but is largely essential in modern economies. a transactions attorney in china? is that a punchline waiting for a joke? conventional wisdom suggests that china doesn't have the societal, governmental and legal apparatus to make the next step forward economically... 'least not without serious fundamental changes, which is kinda antithetical to what made their initial success possible. ​oh, and am thinking you also underestimate the level o' corruption in chinese government-- is perhaps another cultural norm. HA! Good Fun!

ah. much thanks. based on josh's post, it don't appear as if current value o' perception to interrupt is all that meaningful... though if perception is linked to attack roll, then it is still significant, but not specific tied to interrupts. weapon type is current important, and if perception is complete excised from the interrupt chance equation, we suspect weapon type become more significant. hopeful this is an aspect that talents develop a bit as it would appear interrupts is of tactical importance, but currently players can do little beyond weapon choice to boost interrupt success. makes us wonder how animal companions for ranger's is treated as weapon type for interrupt. HA! Good Fun!

keeps playing in our head. HA! Good Fun!

yeah, am not genuine certain what the goal is o' this change other than to match player expectations. the change doesn't seem to do much, but then again, Gromnir were advocating a name change for rogue and fighter, so it would be kinda hypocritical o' us to dismiss the value o' something we see as largely cosmetic. http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68526-how-to-fix-the-attribute-design-in-pillars-of-eternity/?p=1508219 http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68526-how-to-fix-the-attribute-design-in-pillars-of-eternity/?p=1508334 we genuine haven't paid much attention to the thread past the aforementioned links as josh were addressing our (Gromnir's) primary concerns regarding attributes. QA saw less value in resolve and perception than other attributes. also, we were in favor o' josh's notions o' aoe and duration splits between int and resolve. from what we saw in liked material, the changes identified by josh addressed the issue o' making resolve and perception valuable to any and all classes, though not necessarily equally. curiously, while josh were not actual adopting changes as suggested by matt and sen but were rather independent relying and adjusting according to QA feedback, the board appeared relatively positive 'bout obsidian proposed changes, though everybody had notions on how to further improve the attributes. from reading only a few recent posts, am seeing that interrupt has possibly been decoupled from attributes altogether? am clearly gonna need to do a search, but am gonna concede that am initially having knee-jerk resistance to such an idea. nevertheless, we have no freaking idea how interrupts has been functionally working up until now, so is tough for us to express a reason why we is in favor or against changing interrupts. am recalling that matt didn't wanna do the maths on interrupts and we don't recall obsidian ever clarifying, so am kinda finding ourselves reflexively contrary, but rationally ambivalent about changes to interrupt. clearly we need to catch up on the recent suggested changes, but that being said, am having difficulty rejecting the functional cosmetic base-10 for attributes. HA! Good Fun!

am suspecting that psychiatrists likely see a difference 'tween the penn & teller scenario. though one wonders where the line 'tween acceptable schadenfreude and practical jokes is crossed and sociopath label is achieved. lack o' guilt, perhaps? in any event, were more noteworthy to us that we had never seen nothing sacred. is particular strange as frederich march were a star and for us he were always so darn... forgettable. other than dr. jekyll and mr. hyde, we has difficulty recalling specific films he were in, but we know there were many, and we not doubt that we saw most o' them. nevertheless, am positive we never saw nothing sacred. HA! Good Fun! ps and so we have our continuing battle with font size. hmmm Eh, I was mostly just offering suggestions to him for futher tricks if he wanted to pursue them, to be honest. Never saw Nothing Sacred either (sounds like it might be fun). I know I've seen the Jeckyll/Hide version with March, Death Takes a Holiday and Desperate Hours. Never saw his other Oscar films - A Star is Born, or The Best Years of Our Lives. Spend too much time watching trash cinema, I guess. after a few moments o' reflection, we can also recall his performance in the best years of our lives, death of a salesman and i married a witch... but we Know we saw other films with him. ah well. and yeah, we figured you were offering more gag/joke options. that being said, we did actual consider where the line is drawn 'tween such practical jokes and sociopath behavior, given that it were made relevant in the thread. nevertheless, you can probable tell we were more genuine interested in the old movie angle we saw via the penn and teller use o' nothing sacred in your linked material. am also a victim o' too much cinema. ... am refusing to use wiki or imdb for this... is gonna drive us nuts trying to recall the literal dozens o' movies we know we saw starring frederich march. HA! Good Fun!

we admitted ignored most of the thread... other than observing the title and a couple particular posts, we has had little involvement. that being said, your last point struck a chord. typical western economies has shifted back and forth between the tensions caused by needs o' capitalism and socialist elements. there is almost invariably a painful gap during which an economy has shifted too far in one direction and before the economy can self correct, significant social and economic problems typical arise. sadly, western democracies makes the correction process a bit slow. china is actual an intriguing counter-example to the traditional western cycle as they is not using democracy to achieve their balancing. oh sure, the fears regarding china as the new global economic superpower is a bit exaggerated, but am admitting more than a little surprise at how effective they were able to make the initial, and seeming insurmountable step from resource producer or agrarian economy to at least a manufacturing economy. sure, they got a long way to go to become a service economy, and the kinda o' manufacturing china does is largely overlooked, but one does wonder how long their economic evolution can progress without democracy. lack o' democracy has significant advantages as quick and rational changes may occur without the aforementioned painful correction process we face here in the west. "Remember Gromnir, it doesn't make you a punk to admit you were wrong. :thumbsup:" *shakes head sadly* HA! Good Fun!

Oh was just commenting on how fun it can be to mess with people by intentionally lying to them to aid in manipulating them somehow. Not seeing how that is really sociopathic, I guess you lack empathy by treating people as tools ? But eh, I've done that with my relatives, interesting to watch the false gossip spread and them react to things that never actually happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_%26_Teller%27s_Cruel_Tricks_for_Dear_Friends am suspecting that psychiatrists likely see a difference 'tween the penn & teller scenario. though one wonders where the line 'tween acceptable schadenfreude and practical jokes is crossed and sociopath label is achieved. lack o' guilt, perhaps? in any event, were more noteworthy to us that we had never seen nothing sacred. is particular strange as frederich march were a star and for us he were always so darn... forgettable. other than dr. jekyll and mr. hyde, we has difficulty recalling specific films he were in, but we know there were many, and we not doubt that we saw most o' them. nevertheless, am positive we never saw nothing sacred. HA! Good Fun! ps and so we have our continuing battle with font size. hmmm

see what we mean? contributing to complete off-topic debates and promoting spam while not willing or capable of self-moderation. am not disappointed as results meet our expectations, but it kinda feels akin to disappointment nevertheless. ah well, on topic, even china had to bow to the practical value o' capitalism as it sought to modernize the economy. sure, is no capitalist paradise in china, but without capitalist motivation, china would still be almost entire agrarian. HA! Good Fun!

Gromnir needs to use correct English, as well as quote properly. Then he might contribute in a constructive fashion. Half his posts are illegible as they are right now. He seems to be too caught up in his forum persona though. I'm not sure if that's sadder than a troll or not. I think that's unfair, I admit in the beginning I battled to understand his posts all the time but he makes a lot of sense on certain topics. And he generally takes the time to explain his perspective which I respect we has noted in the past that the Gromnir persona is an excellent schmuck detector. folks who wanna complain 'bout the persona instead o' the argument reveal a flaw in their own character rather than ours. even so, it would be bad if this became a Gromnir thread. would be ironic to see thread get locked for such. on topic: again from linked article, the millionaires who don't like to loosen the grip on their wealth tend to have some traits in common. education is a particular telling attribute. "As a group, we are fairly well educated. Only about one in five are not college graduates. Many of us hold advanced degrees. Eighteen percent have master's degrees, 8 percent law degrees, 6 percent medical degrees, and 6 percent Ph.D.s." "Only 17 percent of us or our spouses ever attended a private elementary or private high school. But 55 percent of our children are currently attending or have attended private schools." " As a group, we believe that education is extremely important for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren. We spend heavily for the educations of our offspring." HA! Good Fun!

*nods head sadly* is always sad when the mods can't moderate themselves. as for our contribution to socialism debate, we will again point to one o' innumerable linked stories related to millionaires. http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html "I am a tightwad. That's one of the main reasons I completed a long questionnaire for a crispy $1 bill. Why else would I spend two or three hours being personally interviewed by these authors? They paid me $100, $200, or $250. Oh, they made me another offer--to donate in my name the money I earned for my interview to my favorite charity. But I told them, "I am my favorite charity." is actual a bit misleading given just how generous many millionaires and billionaires is, but is likely true that the folks who have the most also believe they have the most to lose. HA! Good Fun!

I'm sorry, but I don't see it. am agreed that we can't say we sex from the pics. whatever they is doing is kinda weird, but not necessarily sex. stationary pictures of clothed people is not gonna show much. that being said, the pictures do make obvious that folks had a clear view o' what were going on in the car. text along with pictures is more telling. An eyewitness who saw Daniele and Brian as he worked in a nearby office tells TMZ ... Brian was sitting in the passenger seat with his feet on the curb and Daniele was straddling him with her shirt pulled up -- breasts exposed. The eyewitness says she was grinding on top of him, rocking back and forth. Someone from the office went down and asked Daniele and Brian to stop because everyone in the office could see them but they continued. The eyewitnesses say Brian then began "horizontally bongoing her boobs back and forth." He says she eventually reached into the center console, grabbed a tissue, wiped him down and then herself and tossed it on the grass. if cops arrive and no sex is occurring, they likely ask some questions o' the two folks in the car who, unless they actual admit wrongdoing, is sent away with cop kinda advice such as, "whatever you did or didn't do, don't do it again, at least not here." act like a loon with the cops is not illegal, but it is likely to cause you trouble. why this "newsworthy" event would surprise anybody once context is understood eludes us. folks not from the US got some very strange notions 'bout our cops. we can bring up UK police brutality videos that is quite graphic, and am certain we can do the same for many nations. nevertheless, we got an extreme diverse population: ethnic, cultural, economic diversity. confrontations with cops will occur and best way to handle is with the practical advice we offered. however, trying to make THIS situation an example of genuine police excess or brutality is kinda an insult to anybody that has actual suffered from police malfeasance. HA! Good Fun!

*sigh* since the mods seem to be condoning pure spam, we gotta do likewise. actual quote in response to those suggesting inflated ny property values, which also inflates overall cost-of-living, factored into millionaire status: "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." HA! Good Fun! ps we will note we give up. spam wins.

it doesn't matter. Gromnir and others has suggested that real estate ownership is a factor in determining millionaire status. gifted rebutts by saying that one o' his linked articles says the money is "wall street-generated" which is meaningless in and of itself, but again, he were rebutting gorgon and others who said that real estate ownership were a factor. he has gone to a bad place. HA! Good Fun! I think he's just trying to say that the link he posted doesn't factor in property ownership, so whether or not Gorgon counts it was irrelevant for the subject matter he produced. Not that you and Gorgon are wrong, clearly you're not but he was talking about people with a crap load of money in the bank and oh god I don't care anymore again, you gotta review the thread for gifted's weird spam to be revealed as ludicrous. he actual posted a google link and the google link obviously didn't clarify where money came from the million were generated. https://www.google.com/search?q=1+in+25+ny+millionaire&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gws_rd=ssl#q=1+in+25+ny+millionaire&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&start=0 seriously? from that mess he then picks out one such article to rebut gorgon's, Gromnir's and hoon ding's assertion that real estate ownership were a factor in odd prevalence o' millionaires. "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." to help him, Gromnir further clarified role o' property ownership. again, gifted is being ridiculous. HA! Good Fun!

actual quote in response to those suggesting inflated ny property values factored into millionaire status: "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." HA! Good Fun!

we had no argument with ncvs methodology when we first read it. that being said, after reading the cdc linked study, we understand why a different approach were utilized. HA! Good Fun!

No. I was simply stating that: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated". oh, so is pre-schoolers on playground time? you: Recent read something interesting, 1 in 25 people in New York are millionaires. Sounds hard to believe. gorgon: Probably because it isn't true. Unless it's defined as all the most exepensive real estate down town or some such technicality, and greater New York is what we think of as New York. you: (link to ggogle... *snort*) gorgon: It still isn't that odd id the real estate is super expensive, and it is. ... etc. oh, and, "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." HA! Good Fun! Sooner or later even you will get it. sadly, we do not believe you will. *sigh* keep spamming though. is... illustrative. HA! Good Fun!

it doesn't matter. Gromnir and others has suggested that real estate ownership is a factor in determining millionaire status. gifted rebutts by saying that one o' his linked articles says the money is "wall street-generated" which is meaningless in and of itself, but again, he were rebutting gorgon and others who said that real estate ownership were a factor. he has gone to a bad place. HA! Good Fun!

No. I was simply stating that: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated". oh, so is pre-schoolers on playground time? you: Recent read something interesting, 1 in 25 people in New York are millionaires. Sounds hard to believe. gorgon: Probably because it isn't true. Unless it's defined as all the most exepensive real estate down town or some such technicality, and greater New York is what we think of as New York. you: (link to ggogle... *snort*) gorgon: It still isn't that odd id the real estate is super expensive, and it is. ... etc. oh, and, "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." HA! Good Fun!

"None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." from your link: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html home and real estate ownership is a major factor. regardless, what you actual said were: "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." and this were in response to multiple posters observing that ny real estate ownership would inflate numbers. again, 'cause you seem bent on repeating, you said: "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." you were inexplicably reluctant to work real estate ownership into the equation. weird. HA! Good Fun! actual quote: "None of the articles Ive read suggest the money is tied to real estate so Im not sure where you two are getting that. From one of the links above: "Most of the wealth is Wall Street-generated"." HA! Good Fun!