Gromnir

No they didn't. Holt said Trump supported the Iraq invasion, in the interview he's clearly not supporting, instead suggesting to wait for the UN. In any case, it's not a moderator's job to take sides in a controversy. *double-sigh* during the 2016 Presidential campaign, trump has specific stated that he were always against the invasion o' iraq, so his stance on invasion is an issue that trump put in play. the howard stern quote does tend to support the notion that trump were in favor o' invasion. the information supplied by your fox source is an attempt to rebut trump's own earlier statement that he supported invasion. at best your link provides equivocation o' an earlier statement supporting invasion. HA! Good Fun! ps unless what you is actual annoyed 'bout is that a moderator asked a question that trump has had difficulty asking. am actual thinking that such should be something we should applaud moderators for. ask clinton 'bout emails if trump don't raise spectre. ask trump 'bout iraq waffling if clinton does not. is to be applauded and not criticized... 'cause those is questions people want answers 'bout. personally, Gromnir is more interested in policy stance o' the candidates, but that ain't what this election is 'bout.

*sigh* the fox link kinda cuts off relevant portions o' the interview. esquire has been a bit cheesed off that they got pulled into the mix, so they did a bit o' digging. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a47684/trump-iraq-war/ HA! Good Fun!

wod, as usual, don't know what he is talking 'bout. it is indeed scary to discover just how many potential criminals get deals. *chuckle* we knew a smuggler who got a deal from feds to functional educate 'em 'bout current smuggling routes n' such. was almost like a paid consultant... well, actual it were a paid consultant too, but he also avoided personal prosecution. a few years after his deal went into effect, the guy got busted, predictably, for smuggling. got transactional immunity, but that didn't prevent him from being prosecuted for future crimes, and he just couldn't keep his hands outta the cookie jar. were embarrassing for everybody involved. tv police procedurals is a bit misleading. in our experience, a considerable amount o' police work is getting one crook to snitch on others, and not necessarily in court. HA! Good Fun! So do you believe they agreed to snitch on Hilzilla and then didn't snitch? Or did the government just need an education on how to avoid all security protocols? false dichotomy. to get folks to aid investigations, the government makes all kinda deals. more than a few such deals look ridiculous in retrospect. however, making such deals is not uncommon. HA! Good Fun!

wod, as usual, don't know what he is talking 'bout. it is indeed scary to discover just how many potential criminals get deals. *chuckle* we knew a smuggler who got a deal from feds to functional educate 'em 'bout current smuggling routes n' such. was almost like a paid consultant... well, actual it were a paid consultant too, but he also avoided personal prosecution. a few years after his deal went into effect, the guy got busted, predictably, for smuggling. got transactional immunity, but that didn't prevent him from being prosecuted for future crimes, and he just couldn't keep his hands outta the cookie jar. were embarrassing for everybody involved. tv police procedurals is a bit misleading. in our experience, a considerable amount o' police work is getting one crook to snitch on others, and not necessarily in court. HA! Good Fun!

have always been curious 'bout the sequel mentality o' moviemakers. if is an action film, then perception is that the sequel needs more action. whatever made first film popular, the producers/directors try and add more. is kinda strange. got a food recipe with a perfect blend o' ingredients and our first thoughts for improving is not to add more mushrooms or capers or figs or whatever. explore different aspects and characters o' the hotel don't sound like a bad idea. is a new movie, so need new characters and stories. different aspects o' stuff folks were curious 'bout? sure. nevertheless, am mild annoyed that sequels is needing be bigger, louder and... more. HA! Good Fun!

am a fan o' mustard grilled. http://hackthemenu.com/in-n-out/secret-menu/ HA! Good Fun! ps is not as good as culinerdy cruzer burgers, but the squeeze inn truck will be in our neighborhood on sunday. will likely wait for our burger fix.

other than acting or movie making advice, the only thing am gonna listen to robert downey jr. 'bout is how to get the most bang-for-buck from the prison commissary... and perhaps he might have useful tips 'bout what to do when one wakes up naked in a neighbor's home. HA! Good Fun!

Okay I will admit I was very surprised by this, this part shocked me the most ....why is more not done to resolve these hardships? Who is responsible to transform the overall quality of lifes? as noted in an earlier thread regarding US failure to address mental health issues o' many citizens, personal responsibility is a kinda fundamental value here in the US of A. am actual in favor o' US pov on personal responsibility, but there is entire portions o' our population who is having little success improving their lives and the lives o' their children. for example, is far too many children and mental ill folks who is homeless. such folks is incapable o' fixing their problems. native peoples has fallen into a similar seeming doomed situation. reservations are a legal fiction-- domestic dependent nations. the US has frequent ignored native sovereignty such as when building railroads or discovering gold or whatnot. converse, the US uses such sovereignty as an excuse to not aid native peoples. the bia is a curious american institution that were originally part o' the department of war. weren't til 1950s that bia becomes part of department of health and human resources. regardless, the native peoples who has been lucky enough to be granted recognition and/or lands has been given little help in developing the necessary basic infrastructure to develop their own economies. placed on land nobody else wants 'cause is largely worthless, and then left to own devices save most minimal welfare aid, native peoples has struggled to create working economies. surprise? the biggest obstacle for native peoples has been philosophical. the US has been in favor o' assimilation-- native peoples will most benefit by integrating into existing American culture. improve conditions on reservations is, from the pov o' folks in washington dc, an obstacle to assimilation. why integrate if the situation on a reservation is comfortable? on the other hand, native peoples has tended to resist assimilation. is actual a few tribes that has better college graduation than white populations in the same state. unfortunately, those graduates with their sociology or indian studies degrees come back after graduation to the reservation where there is no businesses or jobs for folks with a ba in wastedyourtimeforfouryears. 'course the more fundamental issue is that folks don't care. no, that ain't fair. people do care. the average American sees images and statistics regarding reservation life and they is as surprised and saddened as is bruce. unfortunately, the problems is enormous and as heart wrenching as the situation is, the plight o' american indigenous peoples don't affect most Americans personal. typical, positive government changes in this country happen at the local level. our fed is actual far more limited than most people understand. unfortunately, given how treaty relations and the dependent domestic nation nonsense works, any kinda positive change for native peoples need come from the National government. is a mess. as for native peoples as a whole, Pine Ridge represents some o' the worst conditions, but it is also one o' the largest reservations so is also one o' the more glaring examples o' US-Indian relations. save for a small number o' tribes, native peoples tend to fare worse than any other ethnic group insofar as standard o' living measures is concerned.

I called them up to cancel and they dropped me to about 100 bucks to stay I think I lost Starz in the deal so nothing of real value was lost won't starz be the folks carrying american gods? the faceless suits always get you somehow. HA! Good Fun!

from a post during the recent israel-gaza troubles "...child mortality rates is worse at Pine Ridge than in Gaza. didn’t have much choice ‘bout moving during year 1, eh? regardless the moving and US citizenship is clear bunk too. let’s look at stats, shall we? Average lifespan of male in Gaza is +70.5 years. male life span in Pine Ridge is 48 for males. unemployment in Pine Ridge is 80%, which is worse than Gaza. alcoholism is understandably worse at Pine Ridge given Muslim prohibitions regarding such intoxicants, but the suicide rate at pine ridge has, from time-to-time been higher than in any other place on earth. population growth in Gaza is 3.5%... which is darn good considering they is ‘posed victims o’ genocide. 4% is the 10 year population growth for Pine Ridge. literacy rates is better at Pine Ridge, but only by a fraction. thanks to Arabs caring disproportionately less about the education of their women folk, Pine Ridge beat Gaza by .5% in the literacy category. Huzzah. homes with electricity, telephone and running water is more likely in Gaza, or at least they were in June before hamas started throwing rockets at Israel." http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/02/20/aaron_huey_photographs_the_pine_ridge_reservation_in_south_dakota_in_his.html http://www.redcloudschool.org/reservation http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html https://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/jan/11/native-americans-reservations-poverty-obama http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23/ no matter how many times we link, people seem surprised. by almost every metric, the standard of living in gaza is better (significantly) than at pine ridge. people being shocked that violence is also a significant problem in such a place is curious to us.

am not understanding the confusion. In other words he is saying more Native Americans are killed than AA....I find that hard to believe? is a per capita rate

am not understanding the confusion.

guardian is utter bs. use washington post. wp actual does follow-up rather than using any media mention o' a shooting to add to totals. am personal most concerned 'bout unarmed victims o' police shootings. TOTAL number o' unarmed peoples shot by cops in the US were 93... all races. black, sadly, accounted for more o' those 93 than any other ethnic group, but regardless, still talking 'bout small numbers compared to total gun violence in this nation. hell, is small numbers compared to number o' american deaths by baseball bat or in bare-knuckle fights. perhaps most sad is that a significant percentage o' those shot by cops were reported to have been exhibiting signs o' mental illness. more than 1/4. the US does a terrible job o' taking care o' its mental ill. (edit: the 1/4 mark is o' the total shootings. am not seeing numbers o' metal ill prevalence in the unarmed shootings) the burden o' personal responsibility is a bit higher in the US than in other western nations. individuals need provide for their own food and shelter and higher educations. unfortunately, the mental ill predictable is less capable o' providing for themselves, so they fall through cracks and they frequent get no help at all. total shot dead by cops in 2015 were 990. total so far this year is 706. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/ as for gd still believing that the obama administration wants a national police force... *shrug* am not least bit bothered that gd has come to such a conclusion. we were only concerned 'bout mischaracterization o' obama statements. unnecessary. while Gromnir is less concerned 'bout the possibility o' the fed trying to install a national police force than is gd, we can understand why gd is concerned. gd and Gromnir arrive at different conclusions. thank goodness. would be scary if everybody thought same as Gromnir. our only point were that obama had not overt advocated a national police force five times in the last few years. just hasn't happened. gd sees the rough beast slouching towards bethlehem? fine. we got no problem with him believing different than Gromnir. HA! Good Fun!

Pay your student loans.... or ELSE motherf----r! lordy. we do feel sympathy for those who took out massive loans to pay for school. is there any school that discourages ignorant 20-somethings from mortgaging their futures in the name o' higher education? "hey kid, go work for ups instead." how many art history, political science and communication majors at private and public universities 'cross the nation woulda' benefited from such advice? HA! Good Fun!

was pleasant surprised by john wick. over the last two decades, keanu would be near the top o' our list o' actors who drive us away from movies. limited. wooden. dull. am certain when our friend recommended john wick, we gave him our best anton ego. nevertheless, we enjoyed the film and not simple in spite o' keanu's performance. is it possible for lightning to strike twice in the same place? sure it is, but... HA! Good Fun!

what they "don't talk about" is not same as multiple instances o' obama calling for the creation o' a national police force. it simple ain't. again, Gromnir has concerns 'bout a national police force, and such a thing is unconstitutional regardless, but the claim you made is simple untrue. the issues you raise is valid. am even agreeing with some o' what you say. no need to muck up the water with mischaracterization o' obama statements. HA! Good Fun!

to quote vol, "no." weird right-wing sites has been making such claims for a Long time... most is linked to the following quote: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. " actual full quote: Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up. ... *shrug* after dallas shootings and other similar incidents, obama has indeed called for more oversight o' local cops, but is typical referencing expanding already existing programs to do so. regardless, while we don't support a national police force and we has observed how the Constitution precludes such on more than one occasion (http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/88911-the-us-election-2016-part-vi/page-5?hl=%2Bmissouri+%2Bgromnir+%2Bpolice&do=findComment&comment=1840673) the benefits o' a national police force is worth o' consideration and attempting to gets more national oversight has been considered by right and left and others for a long time. we can't have a genuine national police force, but local oversight has been lacking. the recent economic downturn were particular hard on the poor and poor communities. poor communities got their own police forces, so were predictable that such cities and counties would have shortfalls o' qualified personnel and resources. the American economy as a whole has rebounded, but that ain't the case for poor americans and their local governments. which again brings us back to what Gromnir keeps suggesting is the genuine problem. income inequality and the increasing hopelessness o' the have-nots has increased significantly in the past decade and is only getting worse. we get so distracted by police violence and imaginary appeals for national police when the actual problem is getting jobs and a future for those who have none. just as significant, the white, working low-mid middle class is feeling equal disenfranchised and there is more than a little evidence to support their fears. political extremism, a rarity in American politics, is predictable on the rise, 'cause a growing portion o' our population is fearful that the Government just don't give a damn 'bout them. sure, working class whites and low-income minorities see complete different causes for their predicament, but the fear is the same. distractions. is far too many distractions. get people jobs and future and hope. is a huge undertaking. is a generational undertaking. even so, many other o' the current complaints o' folks on the left and right will disappear if we address the genuine problem. but we is so easily distracted. HA! Good Fun!

keep in mind that Gromnir ain't saying that hurl's rates will be raised. haven't seen your policy and we don't deal with geico. nevertheless, am knowing that many people is shocked to discover that in spite o' the fact they were not at fault in an accident, their rates got raised. boat sinks 'cause o bad weather and your rate to insure future boat increases. house gets robbed and home insurance rates increase. *shrug* insurance is actual requiring that the damage be caused by an accident. intentional damage were, in the past, not covered. and accidents frequent is not having a person to be at fault. act o' god or at least factors beyond any single person's control. as for magical thinking, correlation is more than enough for insurance. seriously, we is talking business, not philosophy. you been in three accidents past, and police reports insist that you were not at fault in any. doesn't matter. insurer would be jack arse stoopid to not increase rates. insurer don't care 'bout ultimate cause. your route home has poor traffic light algorithms? dunno. don't matter. past accidents is a good predictor o' future accidents. period. HA! Good Fun! ps keep in mind that a police report measure o' fault is hardly actual scientific evidence. but the insurer don't care regardless. statistically, if you is a greater risk, it makes good business sense to raise rates. sure, is complete possible that the safest and most conscientious driver in the world could be in 10 accidents in one year, none o' which were her fault. the likelihood o' her actual having an 11th accident might, when all factors is considered, might be exceeding small. the insurer doesn't care. the insurer doesn't have time or resources to care.

The guy did have a license, at least. My rates should not increase because it is clear he was at fault. That was also why it was important that I called the Highway Patrol and got them to write it up. The police report is my evidence that I am not liable, and the other driver did not dispute that. fault is not required to raise rates. is not a punishment. statistically, if you have been in an accident, you are more likely to be in future accidents. rates is raised 'cause you is a greater risk to insure. good luck. HA! Good Fun!

main thing is that hurl walks away ok from a car accident. that being said, before applauding geico, we wonder how much they increase hurl's insurance rate. poor guy won't know for months and then Bam! thinks he got away from accident unscathed? nope. HA! Good Fun!

uhm, how could he hide his "tax returns" from the irs? that makes no sense. and again, the fact that clinton also has done wrong hardly makes trump's failure to make his tax returns available to the public any less noisome. he is a businessman with no background in politics. trump gots a history o' shady business deals and bankrupt business ventures. refusal to make tax returns public is particular worrisome given lack o' political background from which to gauge future political success. we will note again that those wanting to expose clinton insofar as the emails took the wrong tack. comey woulda' been a willing ally if the goal were to expose clinton as a bumbling incompetent. unsophisticated. naive. etc. comey were investigating whether or not the evidence were sufficient for a successful criminal prosecution. comey tried to stress just how irresponsible were clinton's actions, and how her lack o' sophistication were almost unique in his experience, but he refused to find criminal liability that a reasonable prosecutor would be willing to pursue. what a waste. clinton coulda' been made to appear willful ignorant and dangerously unsuited for the kinda responsibility a President would needs be shouldering. clinton shoulda' been exposed as ignorant and dangerous. waste. wod keeps seeming to forget that Gromnir is not actual a clinton supporter. we have criticized her for years. point out her flaws and shortcomings is preaching to the choir... save for where wod goes all frothing maniac. criticize clinton regarding foreign policy and history o' mendacity and the fact that she is a traditional beltway politician who is most concerned with her own enrichment and aggrandizement. amen brother! hallelujah! is quixotic, at best, to argue with somebody who already agrees, but you go for it if it makes you feel better. regardless, no matter how many emails were deleted by clinton, it don't change at all the fact that trump has not made his tax returns public as has every Presidential candidate since nixon. a businessman running for President based in large part on his business acumen won't release tax returns? wod is like some kinda truculent 5-year old insofar as tax returns is concerned. mom: now billy, did you break the vase in the family room? billy: no. mom: billy, i saw you knock over the vase. billy: well, wendy is the one who got bubblegum in rug. mom: *sigh* HA! Good Fun!

we would be mighty amused if trump suggested such a thing. HA! Good Fun! ps tax returns. still no tax returns? Probably already has. If not, CNN will quote him as such. I can't quite get my mind around why the press feel the need to doctor his statements when the statements he makes are usually worse than what they concoct. yeah, trump does get ill-treatment from msnbc and cnn and elsewhere... though not near as much as trump claims. misleading headlines n' such from cnn and msnbc is common. such media behavior is strange given just how frequent trump actual says something complete idiotic or offensive. is even more strange 'cause it should be obvious at this point that those ardent trump supporters is not gonna be the least bit discouraged by being presented with yet another example o' trump ridiculousness. HA! Good Fun! ps http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/15/new-evidence-donald-trump-didn-t-pay-taxes.html so, tax returns?

we would be mighty amused if trump suggested such a thing. HA! Good Fun! ps tax returns. still no tax returns?

obama has been reluctant to involve himself in race issues during his presidency. dunno if this sudden shift is a good or bad thing, but it is out-of-character. as an aside, we got a friend who has a ranch in northern california. mainly cattle. got a big trump support sign on his property. the rancher is educated and intelligent. he is also black, which is extreme rare for ranchers/farmers in this part o' the country. we typical avoid politics discussions with friends, but we just had to ask him 'bout his trump advocacy. water rights. we haven't educated our self 'bout water rights and the presidential candidates, but our friend and his wife insists that clinton as President would be bad for their ranch 'cause o' stance on water rights. am suspecting that obama's exhortation will moderate annoy our friend and his lovely wife, (she is not a good cook, but better than our rancher friend in and around the kitchen, and she does make excellent pie. good pie crust is an underappreciated art. at best we is 80% on successful pie crust) but am doubting it causes them to change their vote. HA! Good Fun!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS699US699&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=stupid+gwyneth+paltrow could be here all day. what would she do if she weren't an actress? world's most self-absorbed pilates instructor? is "personal shopper" still a thing? HA! Good Fun!