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I have never heard anybody in an actual position of influence in the state actually talk about seceding, so I don't think 'California' is quite as keen as you might think. The main people I hear talking about are jealous 'conservatives' from other states.

I'm pretty sure Google, Apple, all the movies studios, HP, Tesla, etc. are not owned by the US in any way. That would kind of violate the entire model of capitalism. And considering a lot of these tech companies make their stuff in China, an independent California would probably have no trouble negotiating trade deals. Plus the port of LA is the largest trade port in terms of dollars in the world. Basically it would be a major loss for the US, but it doesn't really matter because it isn't going to happen. Anyone who wants it is delusional and is too caught up in political rhetoric to recognize basic economics.

From my point of view, it's the source of all of US's political problems, or most of them anyway. It was fine when it was Republican, or even a swing state, but now it's an evil, lawless Democrat empire. Ah ok, that doesn't sound unreasonable at all.

It's just such a weird sentiment to WANT California to leave. I mean, as you type it on your computer, or maybe on your fancy smart phone. Or as you enjoy your fruits and vegetables. Or as you watch your entertainment. Sure, California is the source of all the US's problems. Right-o.

Yeah, they aren't going to get half a million people to sign on to putting that on the ballot in California.

Ah my bad!

Huh? This would make sense for the original PoE, but it is pretty clear what tue sequel will play like and they had more gameplay and graphics in the trailer than before. 3 years is also probably a realistic timeline. They might actually hit it. edit: Where did you get 2020? It says 2018.

Yeah. Meanwhile the much more interesting Apocalypse Now RPG KS is at just about 80k. Bah. I backed PoE, but found it so underwhelming that didn't finish it and never came back. Gonna pass on this one. Best of luck to Obs, ofc. Heretic!

The Mass Effect trailer makes me think the game will be a lot like the first 3, and I'm happy with that. I have no issues with space operas.

I think they've already hit the day 1 peak, it seems to be slowing quite a bit. I do think they will hit the goal easily within the first couple days, but I think it will slow and the last days pickup will only be a few hundred thousand. Of course, this is all speculation.

They are nearing $400k in the first day. I'd say they will get around $1.5 million.

It's not really a simple question. Is the economic benefit of these pipelines worth the potential environmental risk? We already have a ton of lines crisscrossing the nation, do we need more? Is oil even worth the investment at this point as the future of energy is concerned? It seems like everyone wants to turn this into a big political fight, when really it should be left up to the economists and environmentalists to decide whether the risk/reward is worth it.

Drinking the kool-aid

I'm sure we'll get some alternative facts about this from WoD.

It's not like Trump started with nothing, so that's a pretty silly comparison.

Yes yes, your guy is the greatest, the other guy is the devil. Facts are unimportant. http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

This wall stuff is crazy. Everyone is ok with us dropping a couple billion dollars on a massive construction project that will have a questionable impact on illegal immigration? It's also weird that people ignore the fact that Obama extended the wall and deported more people than Bush. Both sides seem to ignore that.

As long as they cement in a bunch of the workers, I think the comparison works.

Garlic capital of the world?

No, it's not a fact: http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/ Why u lie?

WoD and Volo are posting some crazy stuff about California voting, which are part of the alternative facts machine: http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/pants-fire-trumps-claim-about-california-voter-fra/ But hey, keep spouting stupid stuff about California. Morans.

Except point 3 makes it clear that good Republican leadership is very capable of turning those immigrants into Republican votes.

Has that been a trend? The only one I saw was the SNL writer who has suspended indefinitely for tweeting a negative comment about the son.

Aziz Ansari had a pretty good monologue. The rest of the show was rough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9PpuYTgNQ4

Might need to re-watch the original: