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The average data cap here is probably 50gb. ****ty, but enough that you wouldn't generally need to worry about going over the cap (there are, after all, only so many movies or songs or whatnot you can download). The main gaming/techie ISP (Internode) has unlimited Steam downloads.

It doesn't make sense because there is no 'military', there are individual militaries from various different countries. Afghanistan isn't America's war - it's a NATO/UN war, and it even includes countries like Australia. There's no secret conspiracy in NATO to prolong the war for the benefit of a few arms companies.

Don't use a vacuum cleaners. They cause static buildup. You can get special electronic parts blowers I think.

To fuel the war even more... endless conflict = endless flow of money into the pockets of weapon industry No.

What the heck kind of misrepresentation is this? Come on Wals, even Slashdot managed to put up an accurate summary: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/02/28/1...Labor-Discovery

I am about to get drunk sorry guys.

I haven't encountered a good many people willing to pay $360 for the privilege of playing Heavy Rain. I'd say that's a minority even in the people who actually know what the game is. That's fallacious reasoning. People generally don't buy the PS3 for a single game. They often do buy it so they can play a game knowing they'll be able to play many others as well, however.

lol Bok you have 4 unused skill points

Mates just arrived. Will be LANing with them for a few hours, sorry. By the time we're done here it'll be about 8 or 9pm my time, which is like 1 or 2am for Bok and Jags.

Also, sorry for the double post, but jags doesn't seem to be awake/online yet.

This is me: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197971337350/home OK. What time (in your local time: GMT -? I'll be on for a bit, until 12:00 EST or so, so that might work. GMT man! I think that's GMT -5 though. Got a level 6 to 10 character, Nightshade? We're lvl 8. It's 2pm in Australia, 7pm in California, and I'm guessing 10pm in Nightshadia. Unfortunately that means unless we start in the next hour or so, Nightshade won't be playing with us given his 12pm curfew.

I slept on my face so now I have a mild headache due to messed up bloodflow in my brain, but I'm online and ready to play! Edit: Although maybe not for long. I think some mates are coming round later today.

Oh god.

The Metacritic score is quite a bit higher, so I suspect AP is better than KB.

Me, Bok, and Jags are lvl 8. Close to killing Bonehead. Hopefully Bok joins us again tomorrow. I'll be on Steam ready to play from like 10am onwards tomorrow guys. That'll be about 3pm onwards for you guys.

Well I certainly ain't pre-ordering then.

FFS Bok, don't make us start without you. And add me on Steam!

Are you sure you didn't just rename your account to that? What do you log in as? Couldn't find you.

Playing with Bokoshi and jaguars now. Might play with you some other time Nightshade, we can have a 2 player game or something?

Don't be naive. Given our advances in technology and logistics, do you really think the killing of civilians are truly "accidents" and are really viewed as "collateral" damage by NATO forces? Yes, I do. Have you paid any attention to what is actually happening over in Afghanistan, Visceris? You talk about our advanced logistics, yet our main logistical supply line (75% of supplies) is one of the most dangerous roads in the entire world, freshly mined with IEDs and roadside bombs every day. Our predator drones? They require accurate intelligence to do their job. If our intelligence is wrong (and it will never be right 100% of the time), civilians are going to die. Because I know you don't know, go read up on the Khyber pass: http://theredhunter.com/2009/02/supply_lin...afghanistan.php http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-s...99s01-duts.html And I want to know just why you're so deluded as to think that NATO would deliberately bomb the people we're working to protect? Our aim isn't to own the country, it is to remove the Taliban. To do that we need civilian support. For each civilian we kill, that's just more support for the Taliban and less support to the Allies. What possible reason could NATO have for wanting civilian casualties, Visceris? The Taliban have no qualms about using civilians as human shields, and expand a great deal of their efforts trying to blur the line between civilian and militant. NATO has to then expend a great deal of effort trying to distinguish them, and they are not always right.

It's not a matter of disagreement, it's a matter of logic. Your stance is that all war is the same. I just explained pretty clearly how that is wrong, and awsomeness just added a pretty succinct but poignant addendum to that. To clarify: All war is not the same, because some types have genocide and the butchering of civilians as their objectives.

Oh, so because war already involves killing people, it doesn't matter who is killed or how they are killed? You're so thick. No it isn't you overly dramatic buffoon. The purposes of war are often varied - they can be (and this list isn't exhaustive) to maintain order and control back home (typical of authoritarian regimes, and the success or failure against the enemy is of nominal importance), to liberate another people from an oppressor (the complete obliteration or defeat of the enemy is not the goal, simply their retreat is), to gain territory (the goal is the territory and holding it, not eradicating your enemy), or to prevent a threatening opponent from expanding or oppressing (e.g. the Korean and Vietnam wars - the purposes of these wars wasn't to kill all communists, it was to install democracy and/or prevent communist rule). Terrorism, the type of war you are advocating (war against civilians to hurt your enemy), is extremely rarely employed by the world's civilisations and governments, and almost uniformly frowned upon.

It is war, Krezy. "Terrorism" is a buzz word that has been given a strong, and justified, negative meaning. War is war. It doesn't change if you use buzz words. It doesn't change if you are in a uniform or not. It is war. In war you defeat your enemy or you will lose against your enemy. All is fair in war. If everyone thought like you, all that might be true, but as long as humanity remains civilised and humane (i.e. different to the terrorist scum in the Middle East) it won't be. I suppose you think "human rights" is a buzzword too?

Amen.

mkreku: PC, GMT +1, no DLCs Deadly Nightshade: PC, GMT -5, any DLCs? jaguars4ever: PC, GMT -8, any DLCs? Krezack: PC, GMT +10, no DLCs yet The person without the DLCs needs to host IIRC. I don't have any either. Might buy the latest one, though, certainly not touching Mad Moxxi with a 10 foot pole. I'm happy to play Borderlands with 3 other people or just 1 other person. It's fun either way. We have a pretty broad range of time-zones. I'm closest to jaguars, I believe. I'll be playing Siren or Brick. What are your Steam names, people? It's an easy way to see if you're online (assuming you use Steam). Mine is euclideanalgorithm.