It's collective control over production and distribution. You can argue what ownership is till your face turns blue, but if you think "anything the state does" is socialism you're illiterate.
I don't think he thinks socialism is "anything the state does".
His definition is probably "anything the state does that I don't like".
You two do realize that i'm from a Socialist country, right?
Cuba or America? You seem to think both are socialist and my Obsidianstalking.txt isn't very big.
M8 I'm an anarchist, I don't trust the state to work in anyone's interests except those of the ruling hierarchy. But a collective ain't necessarily a state.