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I will say I do not feel like fighter belongs with rogue in bottom tier IMO. Knockdown with Barrage and dual-wielded high-accuracy weapons is probably the most reliable single-target CC in the game and once you get Charge it's very fast to apply to any enemy. With extra Knockdown talent it's excellent for taking any single strong enemy completely out of a fight. Even through high fortitude and +20 vs. prone you can knockdown dragons and Concelhaut without much trouble in my experience, rolling twice and adding weapon accuracy makes it very unlikely to miss especially if you use something like the deadfire-pack soulbound club in one of your hands on a high-int fighter. Their accuracy is also obviously nice with item abilities. They don't have the solo potential of paladin of course, they are time-limited in tanking with Vigorous Defense and don't have any AoE damage, but in a party I think they belong with the other bread-and-butter classes.

More experienced players than me will probably chime in but it is kind of trying to do a lot of things, so I understand why you're going for bellower to try to dump as many phrases as possible into one invocation. Outside the grave calling abuse I do feel like soulblade generally wants things from a multiclass that chanter just doesn't provide like martial passives or strong self-buffs/defenses that stack with with borrowed instinct. It will probably work because fundamentally neither chanter or soublade lose anything vital by multiclassing and have good action-economy but a lot or other soulblade multiclasses like Heirophant/Mindstalker(Trickster)/Transcendent/Mystic(Wael) will work a lot better. If you are going for chants for combat buffs like Mith Fyr and Silver knights, the reduced chant radius from bellower is also a pretty significant downside since you won't be giving them to much of your party. Edit: Obviously you can go full in on abusing many lives pass and grave calling, but then you still would be better of with a more martial multiclass and a friendly troubadur chanting it. Edit 2: It is kind of hard to answer because you say you don't want to abuse the grave calling to hard, but getting focus from the chill fogs is really what makes the classes synergize, so the amount you are willing to abuse it is going to determine how well it works.

Oh second set on Pallegina was Kitchen Stove (with Thunderous Report) + Light Shield. In some fights I would open with that (since it also means you get the better accuracy on the first Long Nights Drink roll) but it felt to fiddly to bother with most of the time. Rekke is generally better as either of his multiclasses, so I would consider FIghter/Barbarian (maybe with Willbreaker morningstar) over single class fighter. Single class fighter is tanky and has some utility with Mule Kick vs bosses but it just doesn't do much damage.

Im not sure what you mean by only being able to use one exhortation at a time? They are active targeted abilities you use on a character, the liming factor is that they generally have very high Zeal cost so just using them to buff people eats all your Zeal in a couple seconds and the buffs don't last that long but they have very fast cast times so you can use them in reaction to something bad happening to a character, generally the only ones i pick are Reviving and Liberating. Most Zeal is for Shared Flames and Lay on Hands. Because of linger you generally want 2 phrases in your chant so like Ancient Memory + Silver Knights for deflection and healing for example. For summons once you have Ancient Weapons the others become obsolete but whatever the highest one she currently has access to at any level is probably good, you want to respec chanters using summons a lot since whenever you get a new higher summon the old ones generally become obsolete. Invocations aren't very good for healing, generally stick to chants for slow team healing + lay on hands for healing a single character when they lose a lot of health. 2 handed Fighter/Monk monk Rekke with Turning Wheel, Thunderous Blows, swift flurry etc. is very good, can give him almost any good two-handed weapon and it will work. Saru-Sichr (morning star) or Voidwheel (greatsword) are both pretty nice.

I had this setup for her (with Sashas Scimitar on a second chanter) last playthrough. The -1 armor rating aura of blackened plate is amazing utility and stacks with other AR reduction and it gives you another healing or damage aura. From the time she gets the ogres and then later upgrading to Ancient Instruments summoning is just stronger than any other actions she can take so you just want to stack passive abilities and tanking on her. Her subclass unique Sworn enemy upgrade is pretty terrible so her impact is really from summoning + auras + shared flames + lay on hands and the occasional Liberating Exhortation. I did have her chanting the Long Nights Drink which made me a little torn that maybe I should have used Lethandria's Devotion instead of a heavy shield but the difference in deflection from Cadhu Scalth is pretty massive.

With 'fighters' I really mean non-tactician fighters yes.

I think the purpose of a fighter/caster multi and monk/caster multi is just different. The monk/caster is primarily trying to buff up their spells with the monk self-buffs to Int/Dex/Might/Accuracy and generally does not do that many monk things while the fighter/caster multi is actually trying to be a fighter and tank while casting. Also positionally some caster abilities that hit a cone or a radius around the caster benefit by being on a character that can stay right in front of the enemies and take hits without a problem. For the Cipher multiclass though Transcendant is amazingly strong and has better synergy than Psyblade. But I would say Cleric (and single-class priest) > Contemplative. For Wizard/Chanter/Druid, fighter and monk have pretty balanced pros and cons as multiclasses in my eyes.

Solid video, between you and thelee you actually convinced me paladin probably does belong down in niche. I still really like Arcane Knight but admittedly most of the power there comes from the wizard half. My biggest disagreement/nitpick would probably be that in my experience fighter/caster multiclasses + Tactical Barrage + Conquerors Stance are as good or stronger than Fighter/Martial multiclasses + Disciplined Strikes + Mob Stance.

Yeah its not necessary but the recovery skipping and +3 PL is very nice and if you are getting the robe there's no reason not to get the wand. I didn't bring up unstable coil because the OP specifically wasn't interested in bugs and if you only trigger one inspiration it's not anything special 5 out of 6 times.

Seeing your revised rankings honestly pretty reasonable given your criteria, I do think fighter is very good in a lot of multiclasses, though depending on how you look at it it's mediocre performance single-classed might bring it down but then the same could be said for chanter which is amazing multiclassed but doesn't really get enough for going single-classed (the dragon is really cool though).

Berserker Frenzy is 30% hit-to-crit with melee IIRC. I've read the thread but going through every comment and replying is a pain so I'll just leave my general opinion here. Like others I find the high rating of ranger and fighter and low rating of druid, chanter, and paladin strange. Ranger is honestly pretty terrible single-classed (no PL scaling to speak of, bad PL 8-9 abilities) and is niche for characters who want to max out ranged weapon accuracy, which is mostly just cipher and rogue multiclasses (and for rogue I think rogue + cipher is still just better and more fun than rogue + ranger). I hate how many passives you have to spend for your pet as a non-ghost heart and for ghost heart you lose out big if you multiclass with another class that has good summons like wizard/monk/chanter. Chanter I can't agree with, 'Called to his Bidding' alone is too busted. Using all the abilities on the weapons is a pain but getting 10 knockdowns, 10 wounding shot, 10 flames of devotion every time you summon them is ridiculous in addition to the bodies. Chanters also get the best class-specific item in the game with Sashas Singing Scimitar, which with Robes of the Weyc + the Weyc's Wand makes the chanter better at granting the rest of the party the brilliant inspiration than the cipher which is largely what makes you rate it so highly (and I'm intentionally not counting the multi-proc empower bugs and Least Unstable Coil here). You talk about how good action economy is and chants are amazing action economy, "The long night's drink" is incredible as a passive debuff, the multiplicative damage boost to your party from -25% enemy health and +15% multiplicative fire damage with weapons if you go long nights drink + Mith Fyr costs you 0 actions. Also sure "Each Kill Fed His Fury" is weird with how it gives +5 to attributes instead of inspirations but +5 to three attributes for your whole party with 0.5 second cast time (letting you get it up instantly) and only 4 phrases is a amazing. I've been warming up a lot to both the chanter team-attribute buffs lately despite ones weird mechanics and the others+1 phrase cost on upgrade, its just huge to give buffs this big to your whole party. It's actually turned me off from doing monk multiclasses where a lot of the power comes from the attribute bonuses and inspirations. Sure when you have fully stacking dance of death accuracy and Thunderous Blows and 10 wounds up for +10 Int its a lot of bonuses but unless it's a frontline multiclass charging up wounds with dance of death takes a lot more time than I'd like, and it's only for the monk-multi itself. I was recently considering monk/lifegiver but after consideration felt like no-subclass chanter/lifegiver (i use the unofficial patch Troubadour nerf) simply casting the team buffs and chanting mercy and kindness + ancient memory would not only heal more but also buff the party considerably while at it.

I'm a big priest fan, priest of Berath in Deadfire is solid for a single-classed caster (Wael and Skaen priests are usually better for multiclasses). Berath priest gets the very nice druid spell Touch of Rot as a bonus spells at level 1 which is very good AoE damage for a level 1 spell, and Symbol of Berath does corrosion which is not often resisted and inflicts a tier 2 constitution debuff, this effectively multiplies it's damage since it lowers enemy health and also reduces enemy fortitude saves which effectively improves its accuracy after the first hit since it rolls against fortitude. With high int and might and the White Void helm Berath priest can really melt groups of enemies at high level. Dual-wield slayers-claw (+2 penetration for spells with minor avatar) + griffins blade (with +10% spell damage enchant) while wearing Helm of the White Void (+10 accuracy) and cast minor avatar -> Symbol of Berath for maximum damage. For PoE1 priest is also really fun, how can you not be smile when you buff yourself with +10 to all attributes with Minor Avatar + Aggrandizing Radiance and your Storm of Holy Fire covers the entire screen? Edit: For deadfire only i would think monk might be the most fun though, but I'm not a big fan of them in PoE1.

This is 3 months old but can at least report that Wizard/Chanter Fassina is pretty solid as backline support/AoE damage after playing with her for most of the game after doing the vault. From level 11 she can do Infuse With Vital Essence -> The Brideman Slew Thirty (solid party buff even before upgrade) -> Deleterious Alacrity -> Kalakoths Minor Blights (dual-wielded with sashas scimitar for the action speed aura) -> Essential Phantom -> Eldritch Aim (all but Essential Phantom being very fast casting) while chanting Sure -Handed Ila + Mith Fyr to buff herself and her Phantom which is amazing at mid levels and still good at higher levels esp. if you have any gun user next to her. Also as Wizard/Chanter she gets +2 Int from the ring Chameleons Touch which is nice for her.

How micromanage heavy are we talking? Technically with a lot of pausing there is nothing stopping you from switching weapon-set instantly before and after every attack so you could run two hander in one set and Gladiators Sword + Cadhu Scalth in another then switch to sword + shield instantly after every attack and then two hander as soon as recovery hits 0. That's insane though since I don't think you can script it. Blunderbusses on Fighter/Rogue could work but I'd honestly go devoted (blunderbuss) for the penetration and go trickster instead of streetfighter because of the anti-synergy of not being able to use Disciplined/Tactical Barrage. Quick Switch on a non-blackjacket makes the switch time pretty reasonable anyway if you aren't switching every 5 seconds and Thunderous Report from Kitchen Stove into clear out with Fire-in-The-Hole + Tuotilos Palm would work even better with +2 Pen. For black-jacket, Black-Jacket/Skald can abuse a lot of weapon switching, very late game Sasha's Singing Scimitar + The Weycs Wand + The Robes of The Weyc (fighter is tough enough to survive at melee range in robes) at the start of every combat is pretty busted in a party and empowered Her-Tears-Fell-Like Rain isn't a bad fight opener (and before that sasha to empower then switch is very solid). Sun-and-Moon + Tuotilos Palm is great for getting phrases from crits, and Chromoprismatic Quarterstaff if good for electricity power level and if you want to do damage with Clear-Outs.

I did not. Its still listed as having frost keyword in the in-game description though (Condemnation, Frost), as does the wiki. I guess it's just bugged in vanilla.