BruceVC

Thats funny but I have yet to see or find any information that under the Obama presidency 'waterboarding" is acceptable . Please provide the link to substantiate your comment?

No one on the Romance/Sex group is suggesting anything even remotely like this, you could try to contribute constructively to this debate instead of making absurd suggestions in an attempt to derail this thread. Most people want Romance\Sex implemented in a way that is mature and similar to BG. I still have to be convinced why this is incompatible with a good RPG experience?

God, romances should be included when they are appropriate, not as an arithmetic function. People are suggesting that if you include Romances there would be "far too many combinations" I am merely saying that only 4 combinations should be needed to keep almost all people happy.

Just a tip; your arguments and opinions will probably be better received if you at least attempt to explain and justify them rather than just stating them and telling people to accept them. With all due respects, who are you to define what my RPG experience should be? I want a BG RPG experience with Romance\Sex. Why do I need to go elsewhere

With such attitude, dear friend, I recommend you to logout from this forum and delete your account. After all, it's their game, and you shouldn't discuss it. Regarding topic. I want romances. But I'm against 'DA' style romances. All NPCs should have prereqs to be romanceable! And they should be hard as stone. No more 'I will love you no matter if you are male or female or elf of dwarf'. I didn't say we shouldn't discuss the game and give ideas but I've seen so many messages in these forums where people are basicly demanding that devs do what they want. By large fans don't know what they want and if they give to everyone's demands the game will be a mess. We can give them ideas, our opionions and feedback, but that should be it. The devs knows much better than any of the fans what the game needs and how it should be done. I don't know why this is so complicated to understand? People generally ask for 2 types of relationships ,straight and gay. Please explain all these other types of relationship combinations I am unaware of that people are demanding. Let's see... straight romances male -> female, female -> male, gay romances male -> male and female -> female so that's four companions out of the eight unless you want two companions both bi-sexual but then people would complain and demand that they want unique romances for all of those possibilities. Okay I see where you get your number from, I agree. We should have ( the first part is always the main character) 2 x Straight relationships: Male - Female and Female - Male 2 x Gay relationships : Male-Male and Female-Female Thats not too hard to implement I hope ? Other games have done it successfully

I don't know why this is so complicated to understand? People generally ask for 2 types of relationships ,straight and gay. Please explain all these other types of relationship combinations I am unaware of that people are demanding.

I do think a suggestion that the USA doesn't respect human rights is an egregious and gross exaggeration. We know that there have been incidents since 9\11 that include waterboarding as a technique to gain information certain prisoners, related to the War on Terror, being interrogated in countries that use totorture Cases where the human rights of prisoners were abused, Abu Ghraib comes to mind But these exceptions were always condemned when exposed. This wasn't the official USA policy even though some departments in the USA did know about it. In times of war all countries do things that are questionable. It is not accurate to say now that the USA doesn't respect human rights or to suggest that someone like Gary Mckinnon human rights would be automatically abused.

I agree, there should relationships but also the option for people to have gay relationships if a person wants to. The principle of relationships should be as inclusive as possible ( and no that doesn't mean I want relationships with animals and children, I seem to hear this annoying point from some who are opposed to gay relationships and are just being sarcastic and making fatuous arguments )

Nonetheless I share his concern, he raises valid points.

Well said, I concur 100 %

I am interested in why you feel your order should get any recognition above anyone else who has contributed financially towards PE? I am not being funny, I am genuinely curious. There are many people who are not part of your order that have paid good money towards KS Are ardent fans and believe in PE Promote the game on all forums they can So what makes you guys special? Exactly how does the order broadly being recognized in game effect anyone that has donated? It is not specifically mentioning those who donated names (unless the idea, which I believe to be a bad one, of recognizing a specific member as the op suggests is adopted). It is no more than a fun easter egg/ shout out to a group of fans who banded together to support the game, a large group of fans at that. Self entitlement sucks. It is not rewarding specific individuals more than others, it is a general shout out to fans of the game, honoring them in general. As long as they keep it subtle and make it fit in with the rest of the lore, there is nothing but good that will come from the recognition. I fail to see your point in all of this, as long as individuals are not mentioned. Collectively the order has donated well over $1,000 in additional pledges, which is the point where you get a say in lore. There is nothing disproportional about this, nor would there be even if that not the case, as again with no specific names given it would be nothing more than a fun easter egg benefiting no one in particular. I am a little confused. Isn't this whole post about recognizing one particular member? I am opposed to that, and if I understand your post correctly so are you. So there is no disagreement here

Can't wait

Most of us do, there was a good poll that showed that most people wanted an element of Romance\Sex in the game. But there is a small and vociferous group that jump on every Romance discussion and say things like " No Romance, an RPG is not about Romance" and aarguments start and the thread gets closed. Now I am not going to say who is right or wrong, I support Romance/Sex, but I will not presume to tell you what defines your RPG experience by telling you " what an RPG is". This would be hubris, and who likes to be told they are arrogant?

I am interested in why you feel your order should get any recognition above anyone else who has contributed financially towards PE? I am not being funny, I am genuinely curious. There are many people who are not part of your order that have paid good money towards KS Are ardent fans and believe in PE Promote the game on all forums they can So what makes you guys special?

It just shows the ignorance that people have around the American legal system. Mckinnon wouldn't have been tortured or sent to Guantanamo Bay, he would have ended up in any normal Federal prison. Just like all other hackers

You joking I assume, and if you are your comment is funny What do you mean with joking? You're the one who made the topic. You *do* know that Gary was searching for UFO files and was catched, right? Yes I am aware I made the topic and what Gary's defense team claims he was doing when he hacked into the Pentagon The reason I asked if you were joking was because you can't seriously think the reason the USA wants to charge him is because he may leak UFO information?

You joking I assume, and if you are your comment is funny

You have raised some good points about what might happen to him in the USA. I see his extradition has now been blocked. The UK authorities feel due to his mental state he may commit suicide as he is apparently suffering from Aspergers as you mentioned. Now that he probably won't be prosecuted anymore I wonder how "depressed" he will be. You will be amazed how happy people become when they aren't facing criminal charges

I see your point but I don't see the issue with any spell that can resurrect a dead player for a number of reasons that include In a world of dragons, monsters, spells and physical manifestations of gods the ability to avoid permanent death isn't such an unbelievable option. This is a fantasy setting after all In this type of world the cost to resurrect a dead person from a temple would still be too expensive for your average citizen. So you wouldn't have this common view that if a person dies "we just take him to the local temple". Death would still be feared and respected

http://news.techworl...-today/?olo=rss Hi All Some of you may have followed this story. In summary a UK based computer expert, Gary Mckinnon, hacked into the Pentagon in 2002 and caused major system disruption. He was charged in the USA but has been fighting extradition the last 10 years. His defense claims, amongst other things, that being sent to the USA would be considered a "cruel punishment" and he wants to be charged in the UK. Whats your view on this and people that fight extradition. I notice that people seem to particularly fight extradition to the USA. I think its a joke and amounts to people not wanting to face an effective court system. Recently in the UK we had the convicted terrorist, Abu Hamza, also fighting extradition. Thankfully he is now in the USA and faces numerous charges related to terrorism. People commit crimes and then don't want to take responsibility in a US court. In South Africa we also get people that fight extradition to South Africa to face charges like murder and rape. They claim a prison sentence in South Africa is the same as a death sentence due to gangs, over crowding and HIV. This of course is an exaggeration but they try this argument. Anyway you can't compare the prisons in the USA to South Africa. I feel Gary Mckinnon needs to go the USA and face the charges, jail time in the USA doesn't mean a death sentence.

I am probably missing something but I don't see the issue here. The universities need the revenue, the presidents of the universities still need to agree to it and the universities will gain money from the fracking. What has this got to do with big corporations owning the USA government ?

Thx Luridis for this informative post about why games developed for Consoles and PC won't be as complex as PC only games. I always find these types of insights fascinating.

You think that's bad? Here's an ancient Roman map of Europe: http://upload.wikime...1st_century.jpg Hell, I saw an ancient Greek map in a book where everything was cubic. I really wish I remember what book or map it was... Wow, interesting post. The funny thing is that even though the map is simplistic you can see still see how a person could use to navigate to Britain for example

Eh? As long as a game has a day/night cycle, with lighting effects that accurately project "dawn", "dusk", "sunset" etc. you really don't need a digital clock in the game at all, do you? That being the case, I think it's cool that the IE games allowed you access to such specific info if you wanted it.... which means hovering your cursor over the button. But I for one, would not wish for the UI to be cluttered with such info by default. Couldn't you just have a button that hides the clock? And just like that your cluttered issue is resolved

And their relationship with the USA. They took power in Afghanistan thanks to US support. American anti-soviet interventionism was disastrous foreign policy and we'll be paying the price for dead men's idiocy for generations to come. To be fair thats not an accurate representation of the truth. During the Soviet War in Afghanistan (1979-1989) the USA did support the Mujahideen fighters against the Soviets, but that was during the Cold War and proxy wars were common. When the Soviets pulled out and a civil war started in Afghanistan the USA also left and the Taliban were the group that eventually came to power. So the USA didn't directly assist the Taliban or Al-Qeada, no was aware of how these groups would evolve. I can guarantee you the USA wouldn't have stopped assisting in the 1990's if there crystal ball was working.