BruceVC

Sanctions absolutely work, but they take time to work and you need a certain level of severity to be meaningful If your goal is for the populace of a nation to suffer and perhaps kill a great many innocents then sure, sanctions work. At their best sanctions are a bunch of hot air for the most part (which in regards to Russia they will be), at their worst (something they are all too often, ie: Iraq) they're downright evil. Okay interesting perspective but I don't agree that sanctions are ineffective. Both the change in Iran and South Africa's attitude towards international pressure about certain policies are testimony to that. But I will say this, if the government of a particular country doesn't care about the suffering of there citizens then the sanctions won't be as effective. If you take North Korea for example the leaders of that country still lived a life of luxury but there citizens suffered and starved to death in there hundreds of thousands ...but that mass loss of NK lives is irrelevant to the Jong-il family

"Exactly Volo".... yeah you know your perspective is in serous trouble when you have call Volo to support your point ( and I see you recognize that ) Both you 2133 are not going to drop the circumstances of the Yanukovich "resignation/being disposed". Is this the most important factor to you around the situation in Ukraine? Is this the reason that for you Russia has iillegally entered Crimea and is basically about to annex it, so in other words the whole crisis is caused by the reasons how Yanukovich was removed from power?

"secret super-difficult secret romance:...

oh, we suspect that he/she understood us. is easier to claim we in unintelligible than it is to refute. ... we will say that he/she woulda' been better off avoiding use "o "sunshine." is clear we struck a nerve. is better off not to admit such when trying to claim that Gromnir postings is indecipherable. one o' the more inept attempts to marginalize our posts that we has seen, but not unique. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir I can understand your posts but it takes time to focus on the structure of what you are saying, but for someone where UK English isn't there first language I can imagine it will be difficult. So don't think people are being facetious when they say " they don't understand your posts" ...there may be truth to that

I agree with you on this, you aren't a Troll. But you aren't interested in engaging in debate and you never respond in a reasonable time to comments which is frustrating

I know Canada is one and the other one slips my mind.....

At least we buried the dead, ours were just left face down in the dirt mutilated beyond recognition. But hey they don't count right... Sarex, Gorgon has raised a good point. It may just be better if the USA annexes Serbia, you guys could become the 53 state? What do you think..it may work nicely?

You right I didn't explain myself properly, for sanctions to be effective they need the USA to be involved as they have major influence on the IMF and other financial institutions, and they would never declare those types of sanctions on themselves

Well, it's not like they ever actually set a firm date (beyond 'sometime in 2014') in the first place. Oh well, however long it takes to get it right is fine by me. Yeah for me this is no issue at all, I just want CPR to be comfortable with the final release. I do think there W3 project is ambitious so I want them to have all the time they need

Sanctions absolutely work, but they take time to work and you need a certain level of severity to be meaningful

Well welcome to the forums, I am enjoying your posts and input Oh and welcome to the forums as well Silvermoondragon

What do you mean my point? How is that related to anything I've been talking about. I'd almost go as far as to ask what the point in this line of questioning is. The fact that they are optional doesn't make them immune to criticism. Downright ridiculous to think otherwise. It's like saying "Hey, that mage armor sure is awkwardly designed, but because I'm playing a warrior then I can't really comment". I've just spent most of my previous posts discussing my feelings on how I feel romances have become shallow. - What is there to prove? There's nothing. I'm stating my opinion in regards to a question a user earlier asked me about whether I felt I was in this or that crowd. Feel free to disagree I wouldn't say he is a Troll but don't engage in serious debate with him or get upset with him. He doesn't care about the principle of debating etiquette

So the Rada's interpretation was that Yanukovich failed to discharge the duties of his office. His removal did not require an impeachment process. You can dispute the validity of the Rada's claims all you want. It amazes me just how badly the media misrepresented this. Damn 2133 ...you REALLY got owned there !!!!! For the nth time. Read the source material and try to produce an original thought for once. But at least we've finally shed the fake friendliness façade, that's something right? Come on I'm just teasing, I'm still the friendly person you know me for..thats no facade

Oh Kaine something else, I really enjoyed your posts because it made me realize how utterly silly the campaign sounded. This just vindicates my decision to drop it, so you unintentionally helped me "Low blow, using the b-word like that Volo....

Really ???...Never It doesn't make you any less funny ...really made me laugh

So the Rada's interpretation was that Yanukovich failed to discharge the duties of his office. His removal did not require an impeachment process. You can dispute the validity of the Rada's claims all you want. It amazes me just how badly the media misrepresented this. Damn 2133 ...you REALLY got owned there !!!!!

Low blow, using the b-word like that Volo. Kiaine you are the only one taking this seriously, well played....I imagine its hard with the other members dismissing the idea

Okay I'm not going to push this one, I am a realist and if a good father and liberal like Hurlshot thinks its stupid than that is my benchmark to realize this is an ineffective way of spreading the message. And I genuinely mean that, I'm not being sarcastic. Thanks for all the input, I'll focus on other campaigns that will be more effective

Please read the link above in my post, I think you have completely missed the main points of the website

Once again its not about the word but what the word symbolizes around this campaign. The campaign is about the word. Oh they have other stuff too, don't get me wrong (some of it a bit of a headscratcher to me), but they wouldn't target the word if it wasn't about the word. But as you say, the word is a symbol (and not really a symbol of what they say - a bossy person is a bossy person and has never to my mind indicated gender) and the problem isn't the word or really what it means and in that sense I think they're terribly misguided in their approach. Like many social movements they attack the symptoms in the hope that they'll damage the root cause when they should be attacking the root cause which will render the symptoms meaningless. IMO. You make some good points, but for me banning the word is not the real point of the website. There are much more relevant points made on the website to allow young women to become future leaders. Please read this link, and read it properly if you don't mind, and you'll see there is not much reference to actually banning the word http://banbossy.com/wp-content/themes/leanin/ui/microsite/ban-bossy/resources/Ban_Bossy_Leadership_Tips_for_parents.pdf?v=1&77f96d

Wow, thats very well done What are you studying?

Once again its not about the word but what the word symbolizes around this campaign.

Guys I get some you think this particular initiative is lacking, I also don't think it is that effectively marketed through the website. But don't let this detract from the message. This is about visibility and by supporting the message you increase visibility. So you may ask "what is the message". For me its about young girls believing that they can achieve anything they want, this is something we should all support? Here are some articles from the website around how young girls are doing great things in the world http://banbossy.com/things-we-love/

http://banbossy.com/ Take a look guys, I think this is another important step in achieving equality for women and for ensuring that young girls can reach there full potential through being confidant about becoming leaders I hope many of you support this initiative

1) That was the short-lived puppet-state (of germany and italy) NDH, which promptly (and thankfully) collapsed. It was a brutal regime that was only possible because of the two axis powers. It is estimates that 200.000 serbs and 30.000 jews were killed, with an unknown number of croats. Anyone and anything that was deemed a threat to the regime was removed. Within 4 years due to the heavy resistance and allied intervention it finally ceased existing. It's a blight on Croatias history. Ironicly, there are still fascists and communists groups present that fight in the political landscape to this day. They mostly just embezzle/steal and keep blaming the other side for everything. 2) Worse? Hardly. Overblowing things much? Of course they accepted. Croatia was shafted in Yugoslavia. Positions of power were held by Serbs. Money was going to Serbia. It was a federation in name only. "Bratstvo i Jedinstvo" (brotherhood and unity) my ass! The entire war was started by serbs. The paramilitary brigades they armed and trained? The planned de-population of specific areas (Krajina) and then bringing in the most hard-line serbs? The process done by driving people away with both soft and hard methods (from making life impossible for croats in those areas by economical/legal means to downright violence and threats) The barricades and unrests engineered by them. The ambush massacre of the police force sent to dismantle the barricades? What a joke. the Croatian army had nothing. It was short of everything - officers, guns, ammo, veichles. Everything was held by the YU army, which was controlled by the serbs. And despite that, the mighty YU army was utterly defeated. The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide[7][8][9][10][11][12] (Bosnian: Genocid u Srebrenici), was the July 1995 killing of more than 8,000[1][13][14][15][16]Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), mainly men and boys, in and around the town of Srebrenica during the Bosnian War. The killing was perpetrated by units of the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić. In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the case of Prosecutor v. Krstić, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave's male inhabitants constituted genocide, a crime under international law.[24] The forcible transfer of between 25,000 to 30,000 Bosniak women, children and elderly which accompanied the massacre was found to be confirming evidence of the genocidal intent of members of the VRS Main Staff who orchestrated the massacre.[25] Ethnicly cleansed? No, there was no ethnical clensing. The 200 000 that left, left under the order or the YU army - and there's more then enough video evidence of YU commanders going around villages and ordering the people to leave. The Croatian army had nothing to do with it. Unless you count fear of the army, but that is not clensing. the CA didn't drag people out of their homes and forced them to march to Serbia. Of course, there was looting and murder, but that is what happens in such heated wars, especially in large rural areas where oversight is hard. It was not planned or organized on any scale Its such a refreshing change to see you take a topic seriously for once and give your opinion. I'm not saying you right and I'm not saying you wrong but I have found your post very interesting. I'm also glad you were prepared to discuss the Croation position in the Bosnian War because there has been a lack of information from that perspective Also I want to recognize and appreciate the point that you acknowledge the fact that during WW2 the Croats did commit atrocities You aren't avoiding this but this is in the past and it doesn't reflect Croatia today. Its the same thing for me around Apartheid, I know South Africa implemented a racist system that dehumanized people based on the color of there skin. But it doesn't define me or my country nowadays. And it isn't something that I personally feel guilty about. This is one of the reasons I am such a supporter of social justice, I use to live in a country that legalized bigotry and I know how harmful it can be I have had several discussions with Serbs, like Sarex, about the Bosnian War and they generally either deny atrocities that happened or have a very different perspective to what most people believe. To accept something that happened in a countries past doesn't undermine your country or make you a terrible person. In fact I would argue it shows strength as you accept the truth about your history but you look forward to a more positive future and how you won't repeat the mistakes of the past