BruceVC

I agree, I don't have any issues with the level of debate on these forums. I think people get over-sensitive. There will always be a degree of emotions when it comes to certain topics, but we can handle it. We are adults. I really don't like the idea of Moderators having to close down interesting discussions because some people can't handle the topic. Life isn't always about rainbows and unicorns. I also have no issues with BSN and there level of debate and since I don't frequent RPGCodex I can't comment

A starving person isn't going to knock back a meal despite the ingredients being all mixed up. True but in this case metaphorically I don't consider promancers as starving. So if the reason given by a company for not implementing Romances is because "they can't do them properly" who would then insist they are still part of the game. But is that the real reason? Or are there other factors at play

No, we're not selfish. We don't want something half-arsed thrown in to cater for a minority who want a half-arsed romance. And that's what I'm seeing a lot of in these types of threads. Some people want romances no matter what. There are also people who don't mind romances, but we don't want it in if Obsidian don't have the time and resources to put it in properly. You see this is the part that I don't understand or is applicable to the Romance argument. In my opinion Obsidian have made a decision they don't want Romance in PoE, the reason raised was its a strain of resources and if they can't do it properly so they don't want to do it at all. I respect that as end of the day who is anyone to tell Obsidian the ultimate game design direction of PoE. But this is also a form of reverse psychology, its like saying " I can cook you dinner tonight but the meal won't be very tasty and I'll use ingredients that won't work together". What person in there right mind is going to say " okay that sounds like a good idea". But this doesn't change the fact that Obsidian has been involved in Romance implementations in the past that the vast bulk of promancers were happy with, so is it unreasonable to ask them to do it again?

I think you are starting to get it, there is nothing wrong with interracial Romance and sex. This is going to be easier than I thought

No actually we don't want to shut it but your point is noted and dismissed with prejudice

Excellent post and thanks for taking the time to write on this topic. I wanted to do something similar but I didn't think people would be interested. Also remember that the vast majority of fans want Romance, it just so happens that there is a section of active and vociferous fans on these Obsidian forums that are fundamentally opposed to them so you will get some sort of opposition. But that doesn't change the fact that there are many valid cases for Romance in RPG I'll keep updating this thread as I think of new ideas but one thing I want to touch on is this argument that " if Romances are not done properly then they shouldn't be done at all'. I find this comment nebulous and subjective. Firstly I can use this type of argument with any component of any RPG, like lore or class choice, and I can guarantee you someone will agree with me on some level. As far as Romance is concerned this is a game, not a novel like Gone with the Wind. We will never achieve the heights of a true Romance novel so if that's what people really expect from Romance in a game they will be disappointed. People like me aren't asking for that, I was happy with the Romance options in BG2, FO:NV, ME and Dragon Age. Now people will say things like " those attempts to implement Romance were cheap and shallow" and I'm am prepared to accept that personal view. This doesn't change the fact though this is the type of Romance depth that most people were happy with. So lets not expect developers to reinvent the wheel. This would be a drain on resources and funds and would be quite possibly an unreasonable expectation. Secondly all Romance options are optional, I'll say that again...optional. Why do people care so much about something that wouldn't impact there game if they didn't want to partake in it but it does make a difference to fans of this type of component of an RPG? I see this as a little selfish. That's all for now

Not really, there are many redundant threads that people discuss to death so why not the benefits of Romance?

So what happens when you turn off the game? Back to the beginning? I am also interested in this question, I assume you can obviously logout and there isn't a "beginning" as its a persistent world but where would you respawn when you log back into the world if you logged out in area x would you appear back there

Hey, if it looks good to you, you should get it. I'm not out to contest that. From what I've seen it's a lot closer to Dishonoured and Assassin's Creed than Thief - so as long as people know what they're getting. Its a bit difficult to be positive about a game after someone has so thoroughly and analytically pointed why that particular game is not good, remember Tigranes you can be quite convincing when you make a point and as I always say " with great power comes great responsibility ( they copied that line from me to use in a Spider Man movie )

The main reason IMO for the lack of the expected vituperative backlash is most of the promancers I know aren't active on these forums as much, they are on other forums who appreciate the importance and necessity of Romance in an RPG.....like BSN And now we can rest easy knowing they'll bloody well stay there. Mission accomplished. Monte you are truly incorrigible

The sizeable romance budget they started with went straight into hookers and blow. Sorry, guys! Research is an important first step.

The main reason IMO for the lack of the expected vituperative backlash is most of the promancers I know aren't active on these forums as much, they are on other forums who appreciate the importance and necessity of Romance in an RPG.....like BSN

Malc if I was you I would lie next to your pet moose, that way you are guaranteed to keep warm !!! The hell would I want to keep warm when I have a fever ? Feeling better today, just have a vile cough. I guess I'll have to go into work tomorrow, but maybe I'll just WFH. Geez Malc no need to shout, I was only trying to help

You right about Dishonored, I really think we were spoilt with that game the new IP that comes with it. Can't WAIT till the next one

That's very industrious, thanks for sharing

I'll come Larp with you but only if you wear your Viconia outfit.......

I'll support this game if there a guarantee of Romance? I'm craving games that have decent Romance after finding out that PoE wont have any

Buy it, and if its bad then you can blame your decision on some person that told you to do it on the Obsidian forums. This way your credibility stays intact

You've had some interesting professions, nice one What did you enjoy the most overall?

Malc if I was you I would lie next to your pet moose, that way you are guaranteed to keep warm !!!

Thank you, Sir, for actually getting it. I don't know where this generation of precious snowflakes comes from. Maybe they need their own circle-jerk forum where they can all agree on everything and compare their unicorn-themed sleepwear. Yeah yeah Monte, whatever. You like gloating when you are proven correct in a debate, I suppose it happens so seldom we should allow you your 5 minutes in the limelight

Nah I buy flowers and trinkets for prospective girlfriends all the time. Sometimes I take ladies our for dinner and buy them drinks and sometimes I get lucky. And I can promise you its not cheap, dating is expensive

I'm enjoying Helix, it does get better and there are some serious plot twists so you should keep watching it. Good old True Blood, its still my second favourite TV series

Pillars of Eternity: The no Romance RPG ?

That's the thing I always find ironic about homophobia based on religious doctrine, you see comments like "god thinks homosexuality is a sin and abomination" but how virtuous is encouraging hate speech, humiliation and violence against people? Aren't we suppose to love our fellow man unconditionally?