BruceVC

No I don't think you used the word jealous in the wrong context, both envious and jealousy would be applicable http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jealous

What you would do in an entirely hypothetical situation doesn't amount to much. It's not unheared of, or even rare, for people engaged in artistic endeavors to want their creations to have a meaning. The ones that do are often valued more for the attempt. For me, the way i see it, Bioware have a very bad business strategist n these past years, they should fired that guy. Bioware being meddling with the things they shouldn't in their current state for the sake of business, but they did and they insist on it, by means they do hear to "someone"... I start to realize the "hidden agenda" since DA2, and i sense the "change" in Bioware policy. DA2 is a representation of the current western political affairs at that time, like i said before, imigration problem, religious fanatic problem, war on terror, economy falling....Kirkwal is the representation of USA in the game. Funny how i can see it but many deny for the sake of denyng fans deny because they want to escape reality, it's a game, it's a game world...that what they say during DA2 hyped up. Ok, that's fine. But now about these LGBT things, is that a game or what? We can say all other things in the game are not real, it's fantasy, there is no The Maker, The Chantry, Mythal, Elves, Qunari, Dwarves, whatever...so everything we can debate about those things are just for fun, it's fantasy, fatasy religion, fantasy culture, fantasy race, fantasy kingdoms, fantasy country....but what about LGBT? That's not fantasy They made Dorian a gay, and his quest is LGBT issue. That is real issue, not fantasy. They make Krem a tomboy, they want to justify it with Qunari philosophy, they create it up to justify the thing in the game. Krem problem is real problem. That's not fantasy When they shove it on us, that make it a propaganda, and that is not good for business, they clearly have an agenda How do you feel about non-gay Romance options in Bioware games? Do you take part in them?

That's another point I've raised several times, the whole gay Romance implementation or LBGT interaction in Bioware games is so innocuous and nonintrusive you won't notice it unless you follow those options. So whats the big deal ?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/12/08/kings-quest-trailer/#more-255823 Guys check out the new Kings Quest trailer...I think its very nostalgic and I'm very excited

http://thewitcher.com/news/view/906 I really respect CDPR for pushing the game out, this is an important lesson for other companies that release unfinished games

Thank you for answering A question, Bioware like all companies is expected to make profit. And obviously there gaming formulae of inclusivity is working because they continuing with it so that must mean sales of there games are good. So don't you think in fact its not a vocal minority that want inclusivity, like the LGBT crowd, but the majority of fans who are happy with the direction that Bioware is going? Because surly if the majority of fans were unhappy with Bioware games they wouldn't be supporting them financially? Here are my suspicions, and this is purely going on my own gut feeling, I have no empirical evidence to back this up, so grain of salt and all that. I imagine there are 5 general groups of people as it concerns LGBT romance options in Dragon Age: a) Are happy with LGBT romance options being added, does sway their purchasing decision b) Are happy with LGBT romance options being added, not enough to sway their purchasing decision c) Don't give care either way about LGBT romance options being added, obviously doesn't sway their purchasing decision (I fall into this group) d) Are unhappy with LGBT romance options being added, not enough to sway their purchasing decision e) Are unhappy with LGBT romance options being added, does sway their purchasing decision My guess is that overwhelmingly most people fall into groups b,c,d and that group e is no larger than group a, or that the difference in the size of group e and group a is so insignificant that it's worth it for BioWare to include LGBT romance options because of the press it will get them. That's a very logical and persuasive theory, it makes sense to me in many areas I fall into Group b

They were profitable back when their top priority was making quality games instead of releasing a cash grab "blockbuster" every year. And I'm not sure they're quite as profitable these days especially if we adjust for inflation. Caring about money and only about money is always bad for business in the long run. Sure I agree money isn't everything but to a large corporation it is and that's understandable as that is how large corporation, and most businesses, are measured. And that profit is used to reinvest, pay dividends, pay salaries and bonuses, hire new staff, encourage investment and many other logical and practicable reasons for a company needing to be profitable And EA is no weak taskmaster, they would have no compunction in closing down or restructuring Bioware if it wasn't making money. So Bioware must be profitable which is what I would expect

Thank you for answering A question, Bioware like all companies is expected to make profit. And obviously there gaming formulae of inclusivity is working because they continuing with it so that must mean sales of there games are good. So don't you think in fact its not a vocal minority that want inclusivity, like the LGBT crowd, but the majority of fans who are happy with the direction that Bioware is going? Because surly if the majority of fans were unhappy with Bioware games they wouldn't be supporting them financially?

Bruce... I think the issue was with your interpretation. I've bold faced the most common (in my little world) use of the word propaganda. I.e. usually to promote an idea (or "agenda"), not to destroy governments. But this is really a discussion for another thread Edit to add: From the same link, the origin of the word (supporting the idea that its about spreading a message): C18: from Italian, use of propāgandā in the New Latin title Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide Sacred Congregation for Propagating the Faith Yes the word can mean you want to to spread a message, like Goebbels and his propaganda ministry, or propaganda can mean you want to damage something through your words Either definition can be applicable but that's not really what I want to focus on. I still want someone to explain to me how Bioware is spreading propaganda ?

You do realize that this Harvard member is not just attacking Anita but also the supporters of GG ? He states " Yet this is the modus operandi of GamerGate’s detractors, and its supporters. They are the nearest thing today to engineered narcissists. For they are so slavishly conditioned and socialized to one-sided rhetoric, to invoke Meg Wolitzer, they have butter, but no bread" So we are all idiots to him

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right? Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is. I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right? Grossly misinterpreting someone else and in putting words they never wrote or uttered in your post as if they stated them. as usual. He didn't say anyone was assassinated. He said: "NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position." [bolding mine for emphasis on what he stated in contrast to what you stated he said.] You're essentially a socialist. If there's anyone that I've seen post on this board that is a card carrying Marxist, knowing or unknowing, it's you. Coincidentally (or not), if there's one person I've see on this forum spout mainstream marxist narrative BS as if it's the truth again and again, it's you. You slurp up mainstream western propaganda like a starving pig slurps at his trough and then gleefully plops into your pile of poo slinging it everywhere, as to you the world looks better covered that way, and nevermind if the other creatures in it don't want it that way. You think you know better for people on the other side of the world what is good for them than they do. You support all sorts of evil BS that oppresses, ruins, and quite literally destroys lives. In your mind you probably actually think you're doing good, but the reality is you've been seduced by evil that appeals to your base emotions and superficial thinking at the expense of reason, logic, immediate and long term realities. I certainly do not expect you to see the forest through the trees you've surrounded yourself with and correctly see the situation for what it is. You support all sorts of laws, and fail to realize (or just don't really care) that every law that's ever passed is ultimately enforced at the end of a barrel of a gun if it's enforced. Even the ridiculous ones than many ignoramuses think are nothing but helpful such as an excessive tax on cigarettes, or a must wear seat belt law. Sometimes, that gun is fired, literally or figuratively, but it is always aimed during enforcement, if not literally then figuratively as threat is there. Unfortunately for Eric Garner, he was killed during the enforcement a law that people such as yourself wanted enacted and enforced. People who think they know better for others what's good for them than they do and would deprive such people of the basic freedoms to decide for themselves, as well as wants the state to enforce your ideas upon others. And with force, as that's the only way it's done. The State is force. "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - Washington You would burn the world with the oppressive fire of your ideal government if you could, knowingly or unknowningly. As for 9/11. You're the one who keeps bringing that up, not I. I'm pretty positive I've never actually directly discussed 9/11 on these forums. Some time back I did make a couple of posts about cognitive dissonance and linked a video discussing it, in part in the context of 9/11. You suffer so much from cognitive dissonance that you failed to see the entire point of the video. Instead suffering a knee-jerk reaction because something in it went against a fragile world view that you need to preserve for yourself so much you close your eyes to various truths all around you, and would marginalize or 'kill the messenger' rather than receive the message. I doubt I'm a true Marxist as you claim, I believe in strong and effective government institutions like education and healthcare but the private industry must be responsible for growing the economy. Taxes would be relatively high but people can still be very independently wealthy, I like the Scandinavian systems of government. They seem to give most of there citizens a fair deal ? And yes sometimes the state has to force in order to ensure we don't have chaos. And that would include a person not resisting arrest Also for the record since you seem defensive about it I have a very important question to ask you " do you think Al-Qaeda committed 9/11 " ?

Did you even read the dictionary article you linked? Propaganda is about making others believe what you believe. To achieve your goals you may spread incomplete or biased information but it's not the point. Even if you don't withhold information or misinterpret facts it's still propaganda if you're actively pursuing any kind of political agenda. --- But I think criticizing DA:I for pushing LGBT supremacy ideas and having correspondingly tokenized CNPCs is really not necessary. I hate SJW crap as much as any sane gamer next to me but we must admit that DA:I is just a terribad game with or without its political agenda. Even if stripped of all controversial content it would be just as bad. The combined weight of other issues would still drag it down to garbage level. Heck, "gather X of Y" quests alone are enough to never touch this game with a 10-foot pole (unless you like the idea of playing a singe-player MMO for some reason). Did you read the definition I posted ? I'll quote it directly "the organized dissemination of information, allegations, etc, to assist or damage the cause of a government, movement, etc" So I'll stand by my definition as its from an English dictionary And I'll ask the question again " how is the optional inclusion of same sex relationships propaganda "

No problem, its an easy mistake to make

Bethesda don't bother about LGBT things, or atheism things, or current political things, they make games for games, but Bioware now become a tool of propagandas Don't you think its important that development companies start to recognise and be more inclusive around SJ issues like what the LGBT community is asking for? Its not like its in your face and ruins the game but at least Bioware allows same sex relationships for that part of the fanbase? If i am a game developer, i don't give a damn about all these things, i make a story and i make a game, i sell it, that what i do. I will not allow my work become a propaganda tool of the real world. if they want to make a game to please LGBT groups, why not include everyone....Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs...blind people, deft people, disability people and so on? "i representing all Muslims, please Bioware make a Muslim good and accepted in your game and not a terrorist", why not? "I am a Christian, please Bioware make a game with Christian value, Lord Jesus is our Savior and will save us all!", why not? "i have only one hand, please Bioware make a game that can be played with one hand", why not? Bioware is clearly a propaganda tool, why slective group being pleased in their games now? Does the main character have any option to "reject" such thing? No? That's the problem, if they include it, LGBT people will call it "homophobia". They don't include it because that is their agenda, you must accept LGBT things in Thedas, in their game world, they must include that, and you must accept it. That is why it is a bad thing, and that's not justice I am probably misunderstanding your point because its a language translation issue But how exactly is Bioware creating propaganda? Just to be clear the definition of propaganda is where you use misinformation to discredit or destroy something http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/propaganda So I'm confused about what Bioware is trying to destroy? How is implementing gay relationships in an RPG a form of propaganda?

Volo would it possible to leave the grandstanding of the GG thread in the GG thread so we can discuss issues like inclusivity without all this hyperbole?

Bethesda don't bother about LGBT things, or atheism things, or current political things, they make games for games, but Bioware now become a tool of propagandas Don't you think its important that development companies start to recognise and be more inclusive around SJ issues like what the LGBT community is asking for? Its not like its in your face and ruins the game but at least Bioware allows same sex relationships for that part of the fanbase?

I watched the video, it really didn't look like murder. The cops tried to restrain him, Garner was a big guy, and in there efforts to restrain him he died. But the whole issue of using a chokehold is definitely controversial as this is illegal

I have seen mixed reviews about this game, so lets hope I enjoy it

So while I wait for the first official patch for DA:I, I only play games after the first patch, I have decided to play Inquisitor http://store.steampowered.com/app/241620/ Not sure if anyone has played it, it looks good. Apparently its a "dark RPG "

Ctn2003 many people on these forums are dog lovers and generally just animal lovers. So this type of post we find reprehensible and appalling

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right? Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is. I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

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