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Thats why I love these forums, we can often set the record straight. I did find the article hard to believe because in South Africa we have much more crime than Sweden and a high homicide rate yet there is no such thing as a "no-go" area for authorities. Yes police have to be careful in some areas but thats not the same thing as criminal gangs running a particular area Yes this whole article just seemed to paint a very harsh picture of Sweden and the impact and control that immigrants have. It did seem like right-wing propaganda.

I clearly stated the anti-GG side is also guilty of this...thats why I said this whole debate has just become toxic Great, tell the anti GG that they're being toxic and have them take responsibility for their harassers and hold their figureheads accountable when they mess up. You know damn well how toxic the SJWs where well before this, now they're getting some opposition which of course is going to escalate the situation. But there's an imperative to purge the toxic elements from gaming. Yes I would raise issues on toxicity if there was anti-GG thread on a forum that I was active on But I want to say something else. I have been thinking about why on this thread I have been accused of debating in bad faith, trolling and not answering questions. Normally I wouldn't take these accusations seriously as I would write them off as people getting defensive and resorting to personal attacks on my opinion But since these accusations are made by people who I consider reasonable I have tried to understand the criticisms better, especially if I say I believe in the importance of mature and constructive debate. Also I have had and do have many other discussions on other threads where I engage with people on topics where I don't seem to get lambasted as much and I find myself enjoying and understanding opposing views The reality is I just don't care about this this whole GG debate as much as the active members on this thread, I don't see it as a big or relevant issue to my life or in RL for that matter. For me there are much more important issues I would prefer to discuss like ISIS and the machinations of the USA political machinery And I know how seriously you guys take this topic or rather how much time you do spend on this topic, so I have decided its unfair and disingenuous of me to start discussions in this thread if I'm not going to give them the attention they deserve. In other words by not responding to all questions and reading all links presented. Because the reality is I don't read all the information presented because its not that important to me So I'm not just going to stop commenting regularly on this thread because I think its toxic but I'm going to rather let people engage who want to have these long debates like TN and Longknife. You are entitled to have these discussions even if I personally don't think they are really that important. I know it would annoy me if someone kept commenting on one my debates who didn't seem to be taking it seriously So I'll occasionally comment and of course I'll raise other SJ issue outside of this thread. I wanted to explain this because I don't want you guys to think I'm not commenting anymore just because its "toxic" ..that word is relative after all. Its more because I find myself just more willing to engage in other topics. I hope this makes sense and you don't see this as personal attack in anyway

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West. I read this link and its very worrying But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ? http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/ This is a very concerning article, it represents the worst possible outcome IMO for multiculturalism where you have a country that has " no-go " areas due to the influence of criminal gangs who happen to be immigrants who ostensibly came to the country looking for economic opportunities I would love someone from Sweden to comment on this article, is it really that bad as this article says ? Are there really these "no-go " areas ?

Sure I get your point, Romance is suppose to be about a more realistic and immersive RPG experience. As you go on this epic quest to save the world you find feelings developing for someone in your party, the feelings are reciprocated and faced with the fact that the party spends many nights together around a trusty campfire Romance truly blossoms But we still need to consider the realistic side of intimacy. The reality is its highly unlikely you would have sex with a horse? Sorry to sound crude but thats what a centaur is basically I agree, Romance doesn't have to be about sex. So you could really spice things up in the game with a scorned fire godlike or some sort of impact to your party because your fire godlike wants Romance but thats not possible so it does something extreme like try to change its physical nature so it can attempt to form some sort of relationship So there are definitely nuances to Romance and how they should and can be implemented

I clearly stated the anti-GG side is also guilty of this...thats why I said this whole debate has just become toxic

Realistically you can only Romance a humanoid type creature, I made this point earlier but it was misunderstood. For example you can't expect to Romance a centaur because of the obviously different physiological features, a fire creature would present the same issue as mentioned because of the intimacy But nothing wrong with Romancing a Dwarf, Elf, Orc or any other kind of similar race

Now I'm back at work I'm going to be really watching what I eat, so its a salad for dinner with fish or some meat. And then I take food to work every day so I don't eat take-aways

Perhaps because it's not clear that ~2000 civilians were even massacred yet. Reports range from 'at least one hundred' to 'over 2000', with no one as yet confirming what exactly even happened. well, if only 100 people were killed... wait. what are you saying? folks should self-edit before posting. HA! Good Fun! Well exactly this is my point, even if the latest massacre is 150 people there have been at least a dozen mass killings by BH over the last 3 years. Even one attack is too many And the lack of meaningful action by the Nigerian government just exacerbates the situation

Yeah that's a good point, there are people who only play Bioware games and will judge others games because of their perceived lack of inclusivity So it goes both ways, you are right

Ironically, Mr. Warbutts is correct. If you do stay silent on #Gamergate and do not denounce antiGG (specifically the SJW extremists at the rotten core of antiGG), who very much operate through fear and intimidation, which is pretty much the definition of terrorism, albeit less violent (so far at least) than what is normally associated with that term, then you are turning a blind eye and enabling them. What you guys probably don't realise is this constant diatribe against SJW, calling them Nazis....calling them evil...associating them with terrorism is just misplaced venting and hyperbole At least you use the terms " SJW extremist " and try not to generalize. But imagine going to someone outside this debate and saying " OMG these SJW are terrorists ".... " why what did they do, are they like the Paris attackers " " no they are people who want more equality in games and push inclusivity " "but they are terrorists correct, like Al-Qaeda " " well no, they are just bloggers and people who comment through social media about changes they want to see in gaming industry" " Oh......but you say they are terrorists ....I'm confused " And yes elements of anti-GG are also guilty of this behavior and invective This whole discussion has just become toxic and unhelpful which is why I have decided to not participate anymore in it, except for the odd comment

This is a reasonably safe assumption, given that gutlessness is the rule of the day in the West. I read this link and its very worrying But its also 4 years old, I know there have been attempts in parts of the UK to turn areas into some sort of " Sharia law zone " but these attempts have always been criticised and dismissed by UK authorities. So I doubt this article is really accurate ?

I look at a game like DA2, and I think it is a terrible game with very few redeeming qualities. I look at a game like Mass Effect 1, and I see a game that I could never enjoy but looks generally decent, with some things construable as strengths. Same with KOTOR. And if we want to talk about the Codex, or any other hypothetical group of 'Bio haters', I think you'd find that many of them individually have different opinions. Some of them even seem to write off BG series, while others clearly like Bio games enough to buy and play them. Now if you want to talk details about why I or anyone else might consider any of these games, we can! We can talk about the single player MMO grind combat of DA:I, the quest writing behind DA2, the screensaver combat of KOTOR, the Four MacGuffins of NWN1... obviously, I didn't feel the need to write a book about it in this thread. Doesn't mean you can say "hey, you clearly are a Biohater who has no evidence for his opinion." (There is another assumption running through your response, which is that games which millions of people buy and play could not possibly be terrible. Well, I can see why people would go with that. I don't subscribe to it. We're all capable of enjoying terrible things, whether in the realm of popular culture or in more serious realms of violence, racism, whatever.) Basically my point is simple. Why do some people say harsh things about a game, or a line of games, or a company that makes those games? The most likely answer: they really don't like those games. They really did not enjoy those games, and/or they think the games are objectively terrible. If we want to dispute those judgments, sure, that's why we come to these forums. If we want to sit there and say "oh those people don't count, they just hate Bioware because of what happened 10 years ago" or "oh those people just hate Bio games for no reason", well... I'm sure that's true for some people, but I find that a rather irrational and unreasonable stance. Tigranes let me ask you a different question because you a reasonable person who I believe who will ruminate on the question and then answer honestly This dislike of Bioware I understand can be perfectly justified for some people, but how much of this dislike do you think is really motivated by the fact that Bioware has been one of the first companies to challenge traditional gaming "norms" and be really inclusive for their fanbase So in other words they have gay characters and optional gay Romance options. Do you not think this is another factor to the whole fall of Bioware in the eyes of some of the previous fans? I doubt people would admit this but I believe this is a contributing reason?

I notice no one has pointed out another very obvious difference between BG2 and PoE BG2 had optional Romance which made party interaction more immersive and PoE doesn't have any. I hope there are other ways in PoE I can interact with my party on that same personal level

a rival to rt? here in the US, we have more than enough comedy channels already. am s'posing that if you want better production values to accompany your conspiracy theory story, then a rt rival has merit. dunno, the best part o' conspiracy theories is seeing and/or imagining the wild-eyed basement hermit in his sweat-stained wifebeater and greying tighty whiteys froth at the mouth as he explains how putin's plane were s'posed to be exact where the malaysia airliner were when it were blown to smithereens by a us built flying saucer. have some bbc third-stringer in business attire do such stuff with a cambridge accent and a mild hint o' contempt might be amusing for a day or two, but we don't see the lasting appeal. HA! Good Fun! " some bbc third-stringer in business attire do such stuff with a cambridge accent and a mild hint o' contempt " This is one of the funniest things I read in ages

Agreed, that is a little disappointing The game looks like crap, that's different from hating Bioware. Sure, I hear you But you don't think traditional "Bioware Bias" is also responsible for the low score. I'll hazard a guess and say RPGCodex has a good number of members who dislike Bioware?

Great idea but I sadly haven't played one of those games But its not my fault, I grew up near the end of Apartheid and we didn't have access to certain things as easily as others

Wow for some reason you have really made me excited about this game, I want to play it now

No, I'm also guessing its not

Hi Jaded " waves " Where have you been? I was worried you had joined the Ukrainian army and you were involved in the conflict in eastern Ukraine !!!

Awesome, can't wait. Very excited

Agreed, that is a little disappointing

The simple answer is the Fed shouldn't get involved because it's 100% unconstitutional for the Fed to do so. When you consider the negatives of the Fed getting involved beyond the fact that it has no legitimate legal authority to do so, the why gets a bit more complex, but the negatives are quite big. Legality aside, which is no trivial issue (though I know you think it is), there's absolutely no need for Community colleges to be free. They are already affordable to everyone (and grants are even available to many). You'd have to look really really really hard to find someone that couldn't afford it due to their financial situation, and if such a person exists their predicament is very unusual. Loans that fully cover the cost are readily available for everyone, unless they already took similar loans and defaulted on them. And if Community college is of any real benefit they will make the money to pay back those loans. The reality is that community college is not of any real benefit to a lot of people who go there. The reality is that even four year schools are increasingly of little to no benefit to a lot of people who go there. The more people who get a degree the lower the value of that degree in regards to getting a job. The reality also is that the Federal governments involvement in higher education is the primary driver of cost increases. If the government starts shouldering 100% of the costs of community colleges you can rest assured that the expenses associated with running them will become even more skewed and subject to corruption and waste than they already are. Thanks for sharing, interesting post And why is it unconstitutional, does the US constitution specifically say " the federal government must get involved in education for reason x " "?

Perhaps because it's not clear that ~2000 civilians were even massacred yet. Reports range from 'at least one hundred' to 'over 2000', with no one as yet confirming what exactly even happened. I saw that today , its unclear how many people who massacred...well the Nigerian government is denying it was 2000 But he still has made no statement even if the number was 150. He is getting loads of deserved criticism for his general disinterest in dealing with BH and its very surprising considering the fact its election time in Nigeria

Not quite sure the examples are comparable, Somalia in 92, perhaps - though that country was shattered thoroughly at the point. Oddly, the Marines present calmed the city (and the US may or may not have inflamed things via TOW missile, anyway). But wasn't implying they'd get the roses and hugs, necessarily, but that there wouldn't be a simmering insurgency they need to combat. I would hope BH is not popular with Nigerians, but I suppose if they were that changes things. As for tackling them outside, a military approach could work. Just have to hope you kill a lot before they are driven underground. But at that point they won't be getting audacious as they are and starting to threaten neighbouring countries. That and seeing one of these kill crazy African militias run up against a proper military is something I've always wanted to see. No BH is extremely unpopular in Nigeria so its not like Al-Shabaab in Somalia....so there would be no repeat of Black Hawk Down And there have been several examples of Western forces successfully defeating African militias. These inlcude The French in Mali : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict#U.N._Peacekeeping_Force British SAS against the West Side Boys : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras Various military missions by Executive Outcomes in Western Africa : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes

Well most of you guys who have some strange sympathies with Russia over Ukraine don't really believe the like of CNN, Sky and BBC anyway right? So lets have the EU sponsored news channel and fight fire with fire as far as RT is concerned Besides we have no idea if this new channel will be about " EU propaganda " ( I'm not really sure what that even means...maybe documentaries showing happy immigrants and local EU people having picnics together and frolllicking in fields letting us know how happy everyone is living in EU )