BruceVC

You remember WW1 and WW2? I don't claim to be a expert in all history but even I know that both those wars weren't about the West vs Russia So Volos point is valid, we have seen this whole " Russia vs West" and it indeed was called the Cold War and yes, Russia lost. Sorry Sarex but history doesn't lie

I am sure you know what is my motivation, i hate Bioware, with passion, there's history between me and Bioware. I hate their attitude. so that what drive me to post everything bad about DA:I. It's not just about the game, it's about Bioware. The game show what they really are, a mirror of themselves and what they have become. Everything bad about the game is everything bad about Bioware. They are not nice people. Jus remind me again why you don't like Bioware? I just need a summary, not too many details plz Is it because in your opinion they have a campaign to undermine Muslims? They permanent banned me on their forum, not before banned me many times. They never address an issue, they just banned and locking threads. They blame their fans, always. They even spit on their fans. Remember David Gaider said the forum is toxic? They can't handle critics from their fans. They also feel they are high and mighty, "end of line!!!", that what they wrote when locking threads. They also favor their fan boys/girls too much, they become like the elites, they troll every threads critisizing Bioware to make the mods locking the threads and ban the owner posts. The fan boys.girls harrasing me each time, the mods also stalking on me, they even ban me for status i made at my own profile, imagine that. They never apologize for their mistakes, in fact they justify every mistakes they make and hope everyone forget about it. Such for example about the horn headed devilish looking Qunari is "Millitant Islamic Borg", they never apologize for David Gaider stupidity. They cover it up and later adding more petrol on the fire. They move on saying Qunari is Ottoman Turk. WTF? Everybody claim "free speech" when they talk about Muslim and Islam. When i answer them, thread get locked and i got banned, "end of line!!!". I don't get "free speech". I ask them why Blood Mages look similar to Muslim women where main character and co end up smashing them all? I ask why Mages look like Muslim women and cut scene showing Templars slaying them all? I ask them why male most Mages look like Arabs? I ask why the Qunari converts wear turban? I don't get answers, but i got banned. group of "Mages" Okay, thanks for explaining. It does seem like you have your own reasons to dislike Bioware

Yes. Different, but at very least potentially equal, and possibly worse. So you boys are telling me that if there was a hidden camera in your house that was filming surreptitiously everything you did, including intimacy with a partner, you would consider this the same type of invasion of your privacy as someone reading your emails ?

I am sure you know what is my motivation, i hate Bioware, with passion, there's history between me and Bioware. I hate their attitude. so that what drive me to post everything bad about DA:I. It's not just about the game, it's about Bioware. The game show what they really are, a mirror of themselves and what they have become. Everything bad about the game is everything bad about Bioware. They are not nice people. Jus remind me again why you don't like Bioware? I just need a summary, not too many details plz Is it because in your opinion they have a campaign to undermine Muslims?

Just to be clear, because I'm obviously not American, now that the US government can monitor your communications why is this such a contentious point? Are you worried people will suddenly just get arrested for no reason? What are you worried about ? Well, let's see Bruce. In the last 6 years this administration has asked local police to take particular notice of people with pro-life or other religious freedom message bumper stickers. They have marked out veterans, the people who I'd argue love the country the most as likely terrorists, all while refusing benefits to victims of actual terrorism. They have "weaponized" the IRS into their own private thought police by using them to persecute people who participate in unapproved political activity. They asserted it would be ok for the President to order the summary execution of American citizens using drones. They set up a website where citizens could report people who were speaking ill of the affordable care act. They have admitted they are already monitoring every e-mail and phone conversation. Now they want a peek in our private internet use. What could possibly go wrong with that huh? Fat chance Obama will veto this. The words freedom and liberty do not exist in that despicable little man's vocabulary. I don't know what kind of country these people want to turn us into but it will look nothing like the one I served and lived my whole life in. The best we can hope for is this trend continues will be benevolent despotism. But I think Americans will wake up one day in the years ahead and realize they are living in Orwell's Oceania. But I won't be here to see it. They will have to kill me . But GB wasn't the support for this bill bipartisan? So you have even been betrayed by your own side....also if Republicans supported it as well can it really be so bad ?

So you won't answer my question and you won't post those links you mentioned, that's a new level of laziness that surprises even me....and I've met lots of lazy people in my life

This is a very interesting and relevant post I have never really thought about it like that, so you saying there is so much pressure on developers to write the " correct socially acceptable " minority character that's it easier to not create any. So is the criticism that bad around minority characters that people feel aren't done correctly ? This would be a major problem if it was widespread because then you are right and certain SJ initiatives and people are not helping with transformation

I really doubt the sanctions would be lifted no matter what happened. Your cynicism towards the West blinds your logic Sarex Of course the West wants Russia back as a contributing member of the global economy. They are an important player, but we can't have them back at the expense of Russia drawing new geographical borders to suit its growing hegemony. I am confident Russia will chose economic imperative over nationalistic fervour over the next few years and stop interfering in sovereign countries, like Ukraine

It's more about than just the principle. Do I have anything illegal to hide when I change clothes within my own home? No, but that doesn't mean I don't highly value my right to privacy in doing so for other reasons. This is a very good point but I could possibly counter it by asking you if you really consider someone observing your nudity in the space of your own home, which is an egregious invasion of a persons privacy IMO, to someone being able to read your emails? Are they really the same thing....for me the obvious difference is that one is a physical invasion of privacy and the other is more electronic invasion of your thoughts and communication ?

Just to be clear, because I'm obviously not American, now that the US government can monitor your communications why is this such a contentious point? It's an issue of privacy. The government shouldn't be able to monitor communications of citizens without court order(ie probable cause) in a free society. It's a bit bigger than that. Under the supreme law of the land they are not able to. It's a blatant and egregious violation of the 4th Amendment. It's not like this is the first one though, sadly far from it. At this point the U.S. Constitution is pretty much ignored by the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches on a regular basis. And the mainstream media not only lets just about all of it slide, it even often attempts to marginalize those who would speak out against these violations. Over the course of the 20th century the violations of the U.S. Constitution got worse and worse, but the violations since 2001 and what we're seeing more and more of all these years after are taking it to that level where some really really ugly sh*t is bound to happen, and a lot sooner than many think. We're really on the fast track to hell. Okay when you say the US is on a road to hell that's very dramatic, especially for an agnostic like me What is the future you are expecting in the next few years that will befall the USA? I want real outcomes of what could happen, and obviously we know these will be informed guesses....no one can foretell the future so you won't be held to what you say

I really expected you to respond in a more informative way TN....you are normally excellent at providing details and lengthy posts ? I am looking for just 3 examples where a SJ agenda has negatively impacted your gaming experience, so for example do you refuse to play Bioware games because of there recognition of gay Romance as you find it morally reprehensible ( this is an example but could really be applicable for some )

Volo can you post those video links and I'll watch them, I'm not sure what links you are referring to ? I'm sorry your niece was hurt, what happened?

Yeah its what I thought, I ask you to give me just 3 examples of how the SJ agenda has changed your gaming experience and you can't? It says something for this accusation that SJW are changing the gaming landscape I hope other people can give me examples of all this real " change " that SJW expect ...or rather concrete examples of how this change has been implemented

Just to be clear, because I'm obviously not American, now that the US government can monitor your communications why is this such a contentious point? It's an issue of privacy. The government shouldn't be able to monitor communications of citizens without court order(ie probable cause) in a free society. Okay, I see your concern. You are concerned with your privacy being infringed on. Makes sense, its not the fact you have something to hide or not hide...its more the principle

I enjoyed this post, some people may see this as a rant or someone venting around inevitable change that is coming to the gaming industry. But I see this rather as a honest assessment from someone about the gaming industry and who doesn't want to be seen as malicious but is genuinely concerned about the future. But you mustn't be worried Keyrock. I will repeat something's I have said in the past and hopefully this will alleviate your concern Firstly SJW aren't some monolithic and united organisation. There are radical elements within the movement and even though those are very vociferous voices I don't believe they are the majority. I would consider radical feminists in this group. So you shouldn't judge all SJW in the same way. This is an important point, you guys do throw around terms like " these SJW " fairly regularly as if we all have the same motives and objectives So lets talk GTA5 because that is the example you used, Lets say that Rockstar removes hookers from future games, how is this going to impact your gaming experience? Seriously ....I want to know? The reality is it won't because the implementation of hookers is such a small, but controversial, part of the game. Now if Rockstar also then decided that they would remove from there games any women because they bowed to some pressures that said " the killing of women is misogynistic " I would also object and say this is ridiculous. Because men and women get equally killed in games like GTA. This would be unacceptable censorship. But going back to the whole hooker incident you notice that there are no male hookers in the game so the whole issue of hookers in GTA is an unrealistic view of the sex industry and that's what I am objecting to. You also cannot say the gaming industry is on some slippery slope because unless we see all these perceived changes that are fundamentally changing our games I see this as rhetoric. So let me ask you and anyone else a simple question, can you give me 3 examples of where the SJ agenda has changed and diluted your gaming experience? Because all I see is loads of debate and issues been raised but games are still the same. Of course we see positive and accepted changes like Bioware and its inclusivity programs but this was driven from Bioware and is seen from most people as progressive. So what has changed in your view that is negative that is due to SJW?

Just to be clear, because I'm obviously not American, now that the US government can monitor your communications why is this such a contentious point? Are you worried people will suddenly just get arrested for no reason? What are you worried about ?

If your conduct is dictated by reciprocity, perhaps you should stop pretending you have standards, it's that simple. It's also pointless, the quote from GTA V that torture is for the torturer to have fun is pretty accurate thinking about it. Also, are you trying to imply torture has stopped any attacks ? We cannot say with absolute certainty that the advanced interrogation techniques did help prevent any attacks but we also can't say they didn't, so you are looking for a hypothetical answer I think you must know this ?

Nonek I don't like what you are insinuating

To be fair you guys obsess about many topics and basically all the time, this whole thread and the previous ones are testimony to that

Come on Kroney you are a reasonable and intelligent person, there are different degrees of torture Waterboarding is not as harsh as having hot boiling oil poured over your private parts

Interesting standards you hold. Also, why does it matter that we remember who we are fighting, exactly ? Funnily enough though, terrorists are probably operating under this kind of logic as well Because the West faces a brutal, intransigent and unforgiving enemy in the form of Islamic Fundamentalism. And because so many terrorist attacks have been foiled some of you guys forget what a threat they can be

No, it reasonably cannot. Unless you are thinking the kind of imprisonment or punishment that "accidentally" ends with prisoners almost drowning in a toilet, hitting themselves against the bars of their cells or being tasered "for their own protection", repeatedly. Did you even read the definition? Here, let me help you: They aren't even my definitions, they are the accepted international legal standards for torture (which the US is a signatory of, might I add). You think they are hyperbolic? Take it up with them and explain to them how being smacked around a bit and a little waterboarding here and there never killed nobody, and that only being stretched on the rack or having your eyes gouged out with a burning piece of metal are actual torture, because they tend to leave marks. In the next episode, we will discuss "mild" murder, "mild" rape, and "mild" crimes against humanity. Stay tuned! No 2133 I think you are being far too critical towards the USA You do realize that this report was brought forward for public scrutiny by the current administration because they know it was wrong You are just stating the obvious. I see very few people are giving credit to the Obama administration for being prepared to accept the inevitable condemnation that this report would bring. But they did it anyway...because they believe a true Democracy cannot condone or hide this type of behaviour

Okay I'm going to leave this debate now, I can't keep repeating my point and some of you seem to be intentionally not trying to understand what I'm trying to say But its very interesting so thanks for all the feedback, until the next debate

Okay I believe you, but that has nothing to do with the point that hookers can and should be removed from the GTA game design ? You are truly hopeless. Ask yourself why game design should have "problamatic" or "toxic" elements that should be "removed" to begin with. Why should the creation process of the designer be decided on the whims of someone else outside that process? The only correct answer is it shouldn't, unless you do not believe in freedom of expression. Then you are excused. This is the same spurious argument you guys keep making in the objection to my suggestion and that article Its a not a question of " creative process" because as far as hookers are concerned in the GTA world there are only female hookers So how is that creative, its not. Its selective and it will make no difference to your GTA experience if you remove hookers from the game? How could that possibly effect your gaming experience, it baffles me all this resistance to a reasonable suggestion. So now the onus on you is to tell me why this would fundamentally change how you play GTA? All this disagreement from you guys is obviously a knee-jerk reaction because you see this as " SJW trying to change my gaming experience " And its not, nothing in GTA will change except for the fact you won't see hookers anymore You still fail to comprehend that this is a question of freedom of expression. Are you that daft? It is not about the quality of the gaming experience, how can you not see that? You are actively trying to directly or indirectly control how an artist express themselves. Please go to China with your "sensibilities" and "reasonable" censorship and see how wonderfully it works when someone tries to control you, and most importantly your thoughts, in the name of everyone else. It is utterly unreasonable on every level unless you're a authoritarian. Polygon are simply completely despicable in this. I'm interested, because I'm obviously too stupid to grasp the nuances of this debate, how is having female hookers only an example of freedom of expression. What would a developer be expressing? Because freedom of expression must have some sort of symbolism or point. So what exactly is the point?