BruceVC

I have decided that I won't be funding this KS yet, I'll be following the updates and make a judgement call later

This banning hasn't been implemented as part of Turkish law yet but this really seems like a bit of truly unnecessary legislation I wonder how they feel about GTAV ?

Well you do make me laugh, I'll give you that

But surely you must share my concern, have the team involved in this KS actually created any games since the SSI days?

dunno. we think it is ok to hate white folks for past generational transgressions. white folks seemed to dislike and pity us for no other reason than real or imagined past generational conflicts. is not just the oglala that taught us to hate white folks when we were a kid. the white folks that we saw insulting our grandmother when she shopped in town taught us to hate. the white kids at the public elementary school we briefly attended taught us to hate as well. am not proud o' it, but particularly as a little kid, we disliked white folks enough to say we hated 'em. hate is a very powerful motivator if it can be channeled positive. Gromnir might not be where we is today if we didn't have hate o' white folk when we were young. every time somebody tried to tell us that we needed help o' affirmative action or implied that we had an excuse for poor test scores because our "disadvantaged upbringing," we wanted to hit'em. not joking. we don't hate white folks individually, but am gonna admit we still got lingering animosity for whites that we need push down as unfair and irrational. we saw and experienced too much as a kid. but here is the thing, what about the angry folks, much like Gromnir, who had a couple more bad breaks and a few less advantages? our advantages were few, but they were pivotal. we grew up without adequate heat, adequate food and adequate health care, but we had many books and a grandfather who had a degree from an ivy league school (dartmouth still counts as ivy, yes?) who aggressively encouraged us to get educated, though not necessarily school education. we also were lucky enough to be be a natural athlete and earn scholarships at multiple quality schools. our parents ended up making money, but at the time we went away to University, we woulda' had difficulty paying for Cal or our other top choices such as Penn. we had earned academic scholarships, but at the schools we wanted to attend, there would be a shortfall. so what happens to angry Gromnir who had a career ending injury during our sophomore year in high school? one bad break, literal. is not the first time we has considered how our life mighta' changed. HA! Good Fun! I can completely understand this post and I appreciate your view on this topic . I would also have a dislike of white people if I grew up and in my early and informative years all I was exposed to was bigotry, especially when you consider examples like how you saw your gran been treated This animosity towards white people was shaped by valid experiences but now as you mentioned you know that not all white people are bigots. And yes it could have gone another way and you could still to this day think all white people are racist ..imagine if you didn't receive the education you did or had exposure to various cultures..what would your perspective be on white people? Probably not very favorable

Volo we have made this discussion before, white people typically haven't been the victims of historical or systemic abuse in society. I mean look at the history of developments like Colonialism We aren't the victims of racism. There is no reason we should get defensive with a little humor, you must learn to laugh at yourself. I know there is a certain perspective on these forums that white people in the modern age are beset as a race by some nebulous and insidious forces but I don't buy it and I reject the notion that the white race as a whole is under some kind of attack? I'm genealogically a WASP. From the all evil racist oppressive people in your book. I've seen and experienced racism directed at myself and plenty of other white people. In fact, while it's certainly possible I'm missing some obscure law, in the US the only racism I know of that's codified into law is against white people (and a few other ethnic groups as well that aren't deemed 'oppressed' by people such as yourself), with things such as 'Affirmative action' and the like. Sexism with 'Title 9' and the like. To be frank. I have a resounding )#@* you to all those folks out there who think anyone is entitled to anything based on the color of their skin, and some transgression (real or perceived (and a lot of them are just perceived) that other folks with that same skin color were subjected to generations ago. This attitude, coupled with the media's never ending dialogue on race (and sex) as an issue, parroted by people such as yourself, more than anything else out there serves to continue to divide people along sex or skin color. Racism isn't 'inherent in all of us' as you say. Speak for yourself. It's taught and reinforced again and again through the media people are exposed to in modern times. Anyone of any sex or skin color can be the victim of racism or sexism. To say that it's the purview of ethnic group X, Y, and Z only to experience racism is an incredibly ignorant thing to say. As for the you don't 'buy the notion'. Well, that's because you support the attack. You support 'multiculturalism' and think it's a good thing. You don't see or care that others don't agree with you, and see 'multiculturalism' as a bad thing for a variety of reasons. This is a complex subject, and the motivations of those involved in it vary, as do the good and bad consequences, but it's certainly the opinion of some that they are under attack, and they don't think that just for the hell of it. I appreciate your honesty on this topic, I enjoy these types of debates because it allows us to unpack perceived challenger's that exist in society And you right I do support multiculturalism. As I mentioned anyone can be racist, its just a prejudice and is definitely not the domain of white people. I suppose you could say affirmative action is a form of discrimination but it has only been implemented to address systemic imbalances that exist in the past in the workplace For example are women really equal to men in the corporate world? 30 years ago many people thought that a women's role was in the kitchen getting the dinner ready, the TV series Mad Men highlights just how bad and institutionalized sexism was So what other examples apart from affirmative action can you give me of proof that white people are discriminated against ? I am interested in how you see this ?

I want to support this game but I need to ask an important question that you kind of highlighted So all these developers were very active in creating game 20 years ago but what have they been doing since then? Have they still been involved in development, I won't support a game just on nostalgic value. I want to know there is skill involved and an understanding of modern programming So I'm not sure if anyone has any idea of the credentials of the current team involved in this KS?

Oh don't misunderstand me, any ethnic group can be racist. Racism is just a prejudice against someone because of a different color skin,its inherent in all of us . And yes the Irish were discriminated against. I can tell you shocking stories about the new South Africa where generalizations about white people would definitely be seen as racist...yet people think its okay I am talking about this view that there is a surreptitious movement that exists in the world to undermine and marginalize white people, that I don't believe

Volo we have made this discussion before, white people typically haven't been the victims of historical or systemic abuse in society. I mean look at the history of developments like Colonialism We aren't the victims of racism. There is no reason we should get defensive with a little humor, you must learn to laugh at yourself. I know there is a certain perspective on these forums that white people in the modern age are beset as a race by some nebulous and insidious forces but I don't buy it and I reject the notion that the white race as a whole is under some kind of attack?

I'm against using the words white, CIS, popcorn and clown None of those words are offensive, to any people if at all, and therefore its not relevant to see them in the same way n**r is used. So I don't get your comparison or point ?

Good information and I don't have an agenda. I didn't expect you to reveal your name, I was just wondering if the practice still exists. I have to be honest I would love to know your oglala name, unless of course its confidential for some reason?

Okay Zora lets keep this simple. Russia credit ratings are now what is known as junk http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/26/investing/russia-credit-rating-junk/index.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/20/moodys-downgrades-credit_n_6724766.html Do you think this has any impact on a countries economy? What I mean by that is do you think " junk status" means anything?

Its really irrespective what words use to mean, its what they symbolize now that matters

This is an accurate breakdown of the various political groups and there vested interests in the outcome of the Iranian negotiations

I know your word. Working with South Africans for more than a decade, it's hard not to learn a bit about some aspects of South Africa, even if not visiting the country itself. It is indeed considered more offensive than the 'n' word by an order of magnitude. South Africa not only had white/black racism in the past, asian immigrants and day labourers were considered third rate human beings, despised by both whtie and black people. Not sure what their status is today in modern South Africa. Phillipinos are considered slaves and personal property in many Arab countries. Newly rich Chinese are some of the worst bigots you can run into today. Feel free to add to the list. It is indeed not limited to a particular group of people. Good post and you offer some accurate insights into the whole South African perspective of what is considered offensive So most progressive South Africans try really hard to not use any derogatory words to describe other racial groups. You could argue we are oversensitive but I just believe its better to not say anything that would be considered racist or historically insensitive. And that doesn't mean you cant criticize people when its valid , its just how you say it. The biggest issue I find nowadays is that previously disenfranchised racial groups, like some black South Africans , have no issue with unintended racist or bigoted comments. For example racism and sexism is a big no-no in our culture but many people are fine with homophobia and xenophobia when it comes to other African economic immigrants who come to South Africa looking for economic opportunities There is the mistaken and annoying view from some sectors that racism can only be practiced by whites against blacks. And of course this needs to be corrected which the media attempts to do

You're speaking for all of South Africa now? Well for the majority of reasonable people it is known in South Africa that in public certain words are intolerable Are people still insensitive and use offensive words? Yes but there is no credible debate that tries to make allowances for the usage of historically unacceptable words I imagine that excepting those who live under rocks or are genuinely mentally disabled in some manner, 100% of the reasonable and unreasonable people are aware that some words are not acceptable in many public atmospheres. Profane and other tabooish words in culture X generally are known to all within that culture after a young age. As for there being a credible debate or not. Credibility with such things would be in the eye of the beholder. For you, I imagine that if Piers Morgan had a debate of such things on his show, or Obama said we should have a debate on such things, etc, they would be credible. Good points raised and you are right. If Obama or Piers Morgan really had this debate I would consider it credible but we both know they would never insult the intelligence or sensitivities of people by suggesting that there is a place in society for the n***g word ( or other offensive words ) ...don't you think?

"Up to" 40%; omitting the "up to" significantly changes the meaning because one says "this is the exact figure" and the other says "this is the maximum figure". and again, what were the Context you most obtuse and paranoid o' putin parrots? in the same quote you hypocritically complaint o' irrelevant but missing verbiage, you left out how putin agreed that sanctions were having a significant impact, which, *sigh* you repeated denied. blame all on oil drop alone? HA! the 40% were evidence that even russians were admitting the impact o' western sanctions on the collapse o' the ruble. we might as well add the following to every post responding to you: your inane response, "complete ignores actual problems o' the crisis, but nice try." your attempt to distract with irrelevancies after you make ridiculous assertions is amusing but predictable and tediously repetitive. we wish there were a way to add the chastisement you selective lifted from your quote o' Gromnir and add it to all responses to zor. sadly, the board software doesn't allow such. am not sure if you is doing on purpose or not. very repetitive, is plain to see that you don't know how to read graphs, don't understand basic economics and clearly don't get that predictions o' a russian fail in 6-12 months is hardly more or less compelling that russia is facing a sever economic crisis in 6-18 months. ... "*to whit: use 'everyone agrees with me' argument" nope. we said nobody agrees with you. is a difference. we keep need pointing these simple things out o you. is tiresome and should be unnecessary. oh well. go ahead and keep channeling timmy. HA! Good Fun! Zora you make a lot of sense on certain topics but any suggestion that sanctions aren't hurting the Russian economy on certain levels just makes you sound silly and like an intransigent fanatic. You should be able to recognize certain political and economic realities without feeling the need to dispute them ?

You're speaking for all of South Africa now? Well for the majority of reasonable people it is known in South Africa that in public certain words are intolerable Are people still insensitive and use offensive words? Yes but there is no credible debate that tries to make allowances for the usage of historically unacceptable words

I don't see the importance of this particular difference. People think that Iran is the same ethnic group as other countries in the Middle East, they aren't. They are Persians and do see themselves historically different and they have there own political agenda which is understandable So for example if you look at the original 9/11 hijackers not one of them was Iranian, this should tell us that when it comes to Iran we can't see them as following the same ideology as ISIS or AQ. That's why it is significant

Then they should really raise some hell to get rappers to stop saying it and ganstas, maybe they could get Al Sharpton on board. But if they're the kind that just gets offended when its non-black that say then that **** is racist I hear what you are saying and it may seem strange because the argument " if a word is so offensive it should never be used by any racial group " surly applies ? In South Africa we have a very offensive word to describe black people, I'm sure most of you are familiar with it. It starts with a k. Anyway you will lose your job in the public or private sector if you use this word, you wont get prosecuted but its really considered socially unacceptable to use this word in any public forum Black people normally don't use this word to describe each other but there have been cases of the odd black politician using this word and having to apologize afterwards But the point is in South Africa we accept that words matter and can be very hurtful

I wish you would stop saying that, these types of posts imply that the current Saudi government is actively funding terrorism. Wealthy Saudis support and fund different types of extremism but that's not the same thing as the Saudi government supporting them Saudi Arabia has been an ally to the West in fighting Islamic extremism, they have arrested hundreds of extremists within there own country and given the West information about extremist plots. And yes its not because Saudi Arabia loves the West its about self-preservation as the House of Saud is also a target of the ideological objectives of AQ and ISIS So in summary Saudi Arabia is a friend to the West in the War on Terror even though it may not seem like it is at times

Also true, Cant has raised a more philosophical point around the meaning of words and provided us with irrefutable proof that of course words matter..or how would be able to communicate ?

No you guys are horribly misinformed if you really consider Iran the same as ISIS or Al-Qaeda, there are many differences that include Firstly Iranians aren't even Arabs, they are Persians Iran is a sovereign and internationally recognized country, it has its own boarders and political aspirations. ISIS and AQ have none of these Iran like every country has moderates and hardliners in its government. There are people in Iran that want peaceful Uranium enrichment and an end to sanctions ISIS and AQ have no reasonable political objectives that any government will agree to I'm not saying that Iran is is peaceful and benign country, there history and current activities have clearly demonstrated this is not the case But they really should not be considered a country of irreconcilable Islamic extremists because that view would be unhelpful to important peace negotiations The reality is you can negotiate with Iran and find compromise, you cannot negotiate with the likes of ISIS or AQ

Nah, words matter even though it may seem like people contradict themselves when a certain racial group uses a word that other racial groups can't use Words symbolize things that can represent something very historically offensive, so don't ever think words don't matter

Yeah this whole incident is appalling and just needs to be unequivocally condemned But two students have been expelled and no one is defending what happened so we are seeing the correct response from society ?