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"Interesting enough, the White House is also the First Family's home while the Prez is in office. In that instance, what Clintion sexually was in his 'private' home therefore none of the Public or Congress' buisness since as 'immorally' sad as it is; it is not illegal." Interesting theory but still you are walking a thin line. While yes there are living quarters in the white house the work and living areas are clearly marked. The Lincoln bedroom= living quarters, Oval office= work. It doesn't matter what time of day or the day of the weak the Presidents job is like a police officers even when you are off duty you are still a officer of the law so don't do questionable things. I will say this again if you work at home and your boss finds out you are having sex when you should be working what is he going to do.If a male and female firefighter are caught having sex at the fire house what do you think is going to happen there. Yes they live there and there are personal and work areas there but what do you think will be done? I am sorry Volourn but sex in the work place while not a violation of a law is considered a fireable offence in most companies, why because when at work your supposed to be working not nailing evryone of the opposite sex you can.

Interesting so if you had an affair with a co-worker at the work place the people you are responsible to (In Clintons case the Public and Congress ) have no right to ask you if you have? Then when it comes out not only did you have sex at work but then bold face lied about it have no more right to fire you for it (especially in Clintons case since he was under oath)? Both interesting theories but some what lacking. He lied to save his ass plain and simple kinda makes me wonder what some of the other things he might have lied about to save his ass. Letting the Chinese get documents on nuclear weapons, whitewater the list goes on.

I will bring this up to all you Clinton defenders the President is held to a higher standard than normal citizens, that is the first point. The second he was not impeached for having an extra marital affair it was for his lie about it. As President you are expected to up hold the laws not break them when convienet for you .I only condem his lie for what it was a lie under oath, why don't you try it and see what the judge does to you. Also thats a real classy man to have sex with an intern in the oval office, what that showed was his disrespect for his position. As for Illinois being like Indiana or Iowa without Chicago, damn lower taxes and cheaper housing, less crime and drugs. Man Wieser your right Chicago is only pluses. <_< Its not Chicago in general its the elitest attitude of some of the people who live there. Contrary to a popular held belief Illinois does not end at interstate 80. Also the Democrats that run our state have done quite well at running up a large deficet haven't they? I believe we rank in the top 5 for most dept if I remember correctly, so lets here it for the politicians the Chicagoans choose. That includes the govenor that believes he shouldn't have to live in the state capital because he is from Chicago. Oh and sorry about that taks it was early in the morning when I was reading this the first time.

"Regardless, I'm in Illinois, the state is going to Kerry. " Yeah the way Chicago goes the rest of the state must follow, some thing that really chapps my ass. Oh and Gorth Clinton lied under oath. No matter what weak excuse he gave that is unacceptable for the President to do, he is to up hold the law not break it. Clinton and a lot of Dems lost my respect when he did that and people were defending him. "The notion that europeans are mostly liberal is outright naive. Every country that has an economic elite also has conservatives, especially european countries. " Yes Kraftan but unless your economic elite are the mojority of the population wouldn't that make the majority the opposite of what you just stated? I do believe Gromnir was talking about the majority not that there were no conservatives. P.S. Go Bush

This is and always will be a game of contact, and as it goes today QBs have a huge advantage when it comes to being hit. I have seen at least 2 questionable calls just last week. I don't want to see linemen deliberately trying to take a guys head off but a face mask to face mask hit just after the ball is releast is acceptable. Hell how old is Vinny Testeverde again? I don't know a whole lot of other positions that let a person play that long.(there are exceptions Jerry Rice and a few others but they are few and far between.)

Quote from Gorth Quote from Xanas. Both of these quotes illustrate exactly what I tried to point out, I feel when it was said we were made in Gods image it was more of an abstract thing not litterally an exact image of what God looks like.

What I love about us bible thumpers is we always point to the verse in the bible that said we are made in Gods image. What most think and I tend to disagree with are we are made in Gods exact image.

I have always liked Mr. Lee, also I thought his son was decent to. If it can actually be believed the movie done on his life made him out to be one bad mofo.

This is one of those touchy international law things. Remember Antartica doesn't belong to anyone even though a lot of countries have research going on there.

Well I know the QB is an important position but come on it is football. Every other person on the field has to actually worry about getting hit. Remember it is against the rules to hit a QB that slides to a stop after running. Well why are they allowed to run? Already this season I have seen to many flags thrown because of continuation the QB lets go of the ball just before the defender gets there and he is just supposed to stop, with another 250 to 300 pound guy pushing on him. The QB also has the most limited hit zone, don't even think about touching his head or hitting him low you have to hit is mid section. Name one other position that has that luxury? Thats right the place kicker heh but he is only out there for a few plays, the Qb is out there for almost the whole game.

I would like to say I think the refs protecting the Qb's is getting a little out of hand I have seen some questionable roughing the passer calls this year.

There are a few things that always bother me about ET sightings. One for a race who has found a way of faster than light travel they sure haven't developed better technology to say scan us from space out of our perception. Also if we have stealth technology, why couldn't they? Again if it is a fact finding mission it would probably be done by their militery or scientific people I doubt they would likely joy ride in our atmosphere. Now to me the roswell scenario is more believeble as no matter how advanced the tecnology there can always be for lack of a better term "human" error. I believe in the possibility of ET life I just really haven't seen any concrete proof yet.

This one is fir Hades One this is a local computer parts retailer in the area I live in. Now that you have seen some prices you make the call AMD 64 or Intell Pentium 4. Computer World

What you have to remember is more power more abalities and 64 bit means more power.

Product I am not saying it can't be done. What I am saying is it would be almost impossible for a country to do let alone a small terrorist organization. I do understand it would make life terribly difficult for the people of those states and it would suck to be in their shoes if it happened. I just feel you tend to over state things some times.

Ok As I count there are 12 seperate crossings of the columbia river. Thats not even counting the rail crossings and if local roads cross as it gets smaller. I also never counted any alternate travel like a river ferry, but I can't say that you have them so now you know why. There aren't a lot in your area but I already said it is not my fault you don't know the road ways. Would it make travel in that area difficult oh hell yeah it would, would you need to travel to a third state to cross the river, I really can not see why as the Columbia takes a sharp turn at Wallula. So please tell me how that completely destroys either states infrastructure and isolates it from other states? You will still get the essencials of life, hell you will still get the luxuries it will just make travel between Oregon and Washington more difficult, and alternate plans will need to be worked out for the extrodinary events that took place.

The statue the McCasky's comissioned to commereate Papa Bear. They put all sorts of Hall of Famers on there but left Ditka out, and used a lame excuse to justify it. You know they might not get along with Ditkae but he did win a superbowl.

Never said he was better than either of those 2 guys just that a guy like him without as much athletic ability is nice to have around if they are a team player. :D Couldn't or was tired of taking them for a loosing team? By the way what do you think of Ditka being left out of that memorial?

You have to admit it would be nice to have a good reciever again willing to lay it on the line for his team like Tom Waddle used to. He was never the most gifted as far as recievers go but damn he could take a hit.

Normally for other reasons than the disscusion of politics. Once again an over exageration.

It has turned more into a discussion of politics which really doesn't bother me. I think there should be a sticky thread for politics anyway I mean look at the number of threads here devoted to it.

So you knew that when you said it but thought I didn't so you thought you could bully me into agreeing with you? So we are back to square one while people from both Oregon and Washington would be greatly put out life would go on would it not? It just might take a little longer to go about your buisness.

I never argued the ability to do so I argue the probability of it happening. If they could have nocked out the powergrid on 9-11 think of the chaos that would have caused. Contrary to what some bekieve Osama is not a dumb man I think if it could have been done it would have as it would help an attack. I mean think about it most of the techniques we use ti try and thwart them are high tech and require power. Yes it does one man if caught ruins the whole operation. If you spread the opperation over more than one man the likely hood of it being carried out is increased. Although I will agree with the underlined portion of your statement. Lastly that is the exact reason they are more dangerous than say an islamic jihad type organisation. That was more meant for Product than you sorry about that.

Please don't tell me you are naive enough to think interstates are the only way to get from state to state. What I am saying is they would need to detroy thousands of roads in many different states to cut one state off from another for you to think any different shows you know little of the road ways across the US. Wonderful quoate but again how many miles of I-80 would have to be destroyed before it was not a viable route? They could bomb I-57 at any place and all I would need to know is where it happened so I could get off the exit before and enter the exit after you see where this is going. As a large river cuts between Illinois and Iowa but I-80 is only 1 of many crossings.

Was our whole nations infrastructure and economy destroyed or even severly hurt by this? This was my one and only point and again how long did it take to get the grid up and running again? I never said terroist attacks were not planned what I said was 9-11 was the first military type terrorist attack we had seen. If I remember correctly the embassies where hit by car bombs and the cole by a boat. While usually the effort of a celll the execution is usually done by one person. There were what 19 to 20 hijackers that positioned themselves in a militery fashion on key flights that moved with military like precision to hijack the planes and run them into the towers and the Pentagon very unterrorist like. That is the one thing I was trying to point out. I don't think it was luck I think the probability of them hurting more than our economy is highly unlikely. Could they hurt areas or take down the power grid yes most certainly, destroy our highways, byways, railsystem, and shipping enough to bring America to its knees very unlikely.