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Sorry to hear that.

Nightshade!!! Re-read my post NOW! I SAID there IS NO EVIDENCE. Its called FAITH.

But you also claimed that morals are black and white, set in stone - please make up your mind. ****! Morally debatable issues! Not everything in the world is debatable. That is why it is a category. Killing is not in that category. I feel like you're in attack mode, and if you'd please stop and not give an excuse "im trying to understand your ideas" I'd appreciate it.

I see nothing wrong with this statement. These are the exact things I argue against. I don't care if an axe murderer thinks its funny to kill, that is evil. The fact that this is in question shows how far the world has crept into darkness. Being serious, say a Hutu was raised to hate Tutsis and kill, he is still evil! Just because he thinks he is correct doesn't change the fact that it is evil. Say my perspective is incorrect and so called goodness- and the "correct" way is killing and raping. I'd argue that I feel much more at peace and happy when I'm not killing and raping, but instead caring and helping. Every person can agree with that, I hope.

I know you find it hard to comprehend even simple ideas, but I'll keep trying anyway: science doesn't know yet (string theory is promising, but so much time has passed it's possible we'll never know). That doesn't mean it was god. I know you find faith hard to understand, and you take comfort in science since you think that there won't be a god in control, that people are.

But you said that killing PERIOD is evil, what you're doing is proving that there IS a moral grey-area. Why isn't war itself evil? Cirtainly some people think it is, but within your own moral system you can justify it as 'nasty, but sometimes nessesery'. I'm not even saying that this is 'wrong', but I AM saying that there's a moral grey area. I am NOT saying that war or murder is good or evil, I am questioning your doublethink over the idea that killing is evil PERIOD, unless you say that it's okay, which obviously means that it's not evil PERIOD depending on the situation. You also said that intention doesn't matter, but when an evil action leads to a good effect, for example, a rape child developing a cure for AIDS, does that mean the original act was good? After all, you also say that a sacrifice for good is good, and while, in the above example, the 'good' is retrospective, it's still enough to cast a moral gray area over what you've said. I'm NOT saying that rape is good, I am questioning your claim that intention means nothing. Don't take these posts as attacks, take them as oppotunities to clarify your points. Yes, a "morally debatable" area as I put it. Also that would be an evil an intention and good coming of it. As long as evil prevails at least we can hope for that.

Technically, I was, which is a trivial point. Just know that I meant it the way it was being discussed earlier- check the posts such as this: !!!

what country do you live in holland ok- *note to self: mass transit operators in holland are retarded; dont take bus*

I was reffering to his piss poor response.

I mean perspectives such as one where killing can be justified. Killing cannot be justified, unless it is in war or defense. I don't mean no killing at all. Hell, I'll step on plenty of ants today.

So science didn't do it. Ok, Krezack. This is the same thing you pulled on Stargate Atlantis thread, this attitude.

Yes you can kill in war or defense. Not genocide by all means.

I live in Florida so I feel your pain.

Thats not funny.

Actually I was looking at Accept's profile and saw this thinking it was funny. Why would I care about post count?

Yeah right, this thread is misery. Hell Kitty is being absolutely ridiculous. Pretty dark views. Its "good" to rapists, killers, arsonists and "evil" to victims? There is no perspective. There is good, there is evil, and there is the morally debatable. To put so simple an idiot could understand it, "if you don't want it done to you don't do it to others" which is an extremely broad statement, I know. They're "evil" by both my religion and my moral beliefs. "flames are kewl right?" Srsly, only a moron thinks thats kewl. Mankind cannot continue when people stop and say, maybe killing isn't evil. Maybe I can stick my **** in someone and its just fine. These are not debatable. PERIOD. Evil. Whats good? Say... saving somebody's life, sacrificing something for good... And good intentions mean nothing. Only the resulting effects. Debatable? Abortion, capital punishment, cloning. But why? Is abortion really killing? Is capital punishment unjust? Is cloning volatile and wrong?? Deadly Nightshade: Same thing. The world has now decided sex outside of marriage is acceptable. No, this also is "evil", obviously not at the level of rape or murder, but evil nonetheless. Nightandshpae: BENEFITS OF GENOCIDE? Yes, the killers get some land, food, whatever. Maybe they even gain civil rights. The inflicted oppression or discrimination may of been wrong but committing genocide doesn't make things right. Blood doesn't heal wounds. Genocide = . PERIOD. I am sure a demented Hutu or Sudanese killer thinks they are "doing great honours" but I'm sure they don't want to be hacked with a machete. On the other hand, likely a Tutsi or Sudanese national thinks they're doing right by discriminating and hating in turn, but both sides are wrong.. Goodness is acceptance, love, and caring. I'm not telling them to go have a Chilean pokemon* event, but differences must be thrown down and a greater unity instilled. I guess Hitler thought gassing Jews was enjoyable revenge as well, whereas the Jews thought Christians were radical and needed to be crucified. The kid down the block gave me a wedgie, but I stole his lunch money. Good to somebody and evil to another, evil acts are often done on both sides. Retaliation is not justice. Same day, 1000 years later, whatever. Defense is an acceptable measure but retaliatory violence is not. Serial killer who kills other serial killers? Well, evil, but doing good. Leave him well alone, he's a free bounty hunter. As for cutting sheep tails, if its a hygiene measure, you can suppose its not evil. Then again, you want someone to remove something form your body "because you don't need it"? Maybe. Perhaps you want to donate a kidney. Applying hygiene to your herd shouldn't be thought evil. But what if that old lady is trying to cross the street so she can rape and burn a kitten? You gently lead her to the mental hospital. You have the same junk in these posts as you did talking about Stargate Atlantis, for pete's sake. If there were no god explain this: Where did everything about/in/on/of/with/attached/related/etc of science come from? Where did your special big bang bang from? What convinces you that the universe just exploded on top of itself and the stars and worlds were created?! The thought and supposed evidence of nobody at the wheel is an even greater stupidity than the arguements against faith. You don't practice religion because it is a great explainer or definer such as science can be, you believe from because of faith. Faith is as strong as love, very difficult and complexing at times. However, there is no "evidence" of any god as you scientifics and atheists put it. But the kindness and goodwill of perhaps "so called christians" amidst so much amimosity and global enmities shows even in the event there were no divine being, we are still better than those who have given up or haven't tried faith or are even incapable of understanding it. Hurlshot: I am Christian, traditionally baptist, but in a non-denomination church now. My church is generally baptist styled. Any thing else I should respond to? *

Yeah right, this thread is misery.

Torture and crate carrying good list though

sure thats ok

never tried

He was weak in being so susceptible to the dark side.

Oh, sorry, I just meant in place of calling him a smart***, smart***.

Last time I visited, AP was getting pounded by Aliens! I voted AP. I'm racist against

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