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main reason to use it for me is it is nice to have at least one non-aggressive chant to avoid breaking sneaking, you can choose this one and get some healing help [EDIT] and yes, Many Lives Pass by is probably one of the most powerful chants at higher difficulty levels so I never play without it, but often times enemies run to the initial spawned skeletons and may make your sneaking more difficult, so it works better if coupled with at least one non-aggressive starting chant

Nice! What did you use to keep Vela alive? Something different from the spawned blight from the Magran Chosen Belt to make her terrified far from danger? Or some way to hide her different from Temporal Cocoon?

something I realized recently in case it is not already common knowledge: I think that to avoid the first risky fight in the Oracle of Wael small room, you should not steal things in the rooms with big Wael Eyes looking at you and not use the mages quest scrolls on the machine in the Memory Hoarder room until you have already talked with the oracle

they should have better damage

reposted here in the proper thread, sorry for previous hiccup I'd like to start a list of useful items primary for no priest subclass/no pure wizard builds using item switching to prolong beneficial effect duration out of combat ( strand of favor, cabalist's gambeson arcane extension, ooblit pet...), please add to the list if you find relevant missing things. Note: a way to trigger watcher blooded state out of combat is using double necklace of fireballs on self, just pay attention when vela is moving around also, any unguent can be easily prolonged for +2 skill death's maw death runes? (within 5m of a killed enemy grants -15% incoming damage for 10 sec) not tested yet, may be not so easy to prolong protective eothasian charm darkest before dawn (+5 health per 3.0 sec over 12 sec, damage reduced by -25% for 12 sec on near death), risky but good to prolong resounding call call to arms (Destroying a destructible grants tenacious 12.0 sec), not super easy to prolong but doable and definitely great to have scordeo's trophy opening barrage (stacking -5% recovery time), you can get very good recovery time just with this one before scordeo's edge wahai poraga at blades reach -20% Melee Damage Received for 2.0 sec on launching attack (hit vela) bardatto's luxury death and taxes: hardy on unconscious ally, not hard to trigger on combat and can be prolonged out of combat as it lasts long bardatto's luxury grace: not sure but in theory you could be able to prolong the +3 health per 6 sec, harder though as starting duration is very low devil of caroc breastplate devil's due +2 health restored per 3.0 sec for 6.0 sec on critical hit with weapons (hit vela) scordeo's edge adaptive (+2 Accuracy with all weapons for 30.0 sec on scoring Hit, stacks 10 times, easy to prolong as long lasting scordeo's edge blade cascade (ignore recovery for 5.0 sec on scoring hit, use it on vela) griffin's blade loyal companion: steadfast on blooded, not so easy to prolong permanently but useful as alternative to no pity for the lost watcher ability necklace of the harvest moon midnight wish (Friendly AoE: +8 health, +10 defenses for 15.0 sec per 3.0 sec, not tested yet) necklace of the harvest moon midnight wish (yearly reap -5% Recovery Time for 6.0 sec on crit), hit vela with blunderbuss chromoprismatic quarterstaff elemental induction (+15% Damage for 10.0 sec when hit with Acid / Fire / Frost / Electricity attacks), use necklace of fireballs to trigger weyc's wand attuned channel (after empowering an ability, gain +3 Power Level for 20 sec, not tested yet) also a table to help estimate durations 001 1,0000 0,00 002 1,1000 0,00 003 1,2100 0,00 004 1,3310 0,00 005 1,4641 0,00 006 1,6105 0,00 007 1,7716 0,00 008 1,9487 0,00 009 2,1436 0,00 010 2,3579 0,00 011 2,5937 0,00 012 2,8531 0,00 013 3,1384 0,00 014 3,4523 0,00 015 3,7975 0,00 016 4,1772 0,00 017 4,5950 0,00 018 5,0545 0,00 019 5,5599 0,00 020 6,1159 0,00 021 6,7275 0,00 022 7,4002 0,00 023 8,1403 0,00 024 8,9543 0,00 025 9,8497 0,00 026 10,8347 0,00 027 11,9182 0,00 028 13,1100 0,00 029 14,4210 0,00 030 15,8631 0,00 031 17,4494 0,00 032 19,1943 0,00 033 21,1138 0,00 034 23,2252 0,00 035 25,5477 0,00 036 28,1024 0,00 037 30,9127 0,00 038 34,0039 0,00 039 37,4043 0,00 040 41,1448 0,00 041 45,2593 0,00 042 49,7852 0,00 043 54,7637 0,00 044 60,2401 0,00 045 66,2641 0,00 046 72,8905 0,00 047 80,1795 0,00 048 88,1975 0,00 049 97,0172 0,00 050 106,7190 0,00 051 117,3909 0,00 052 129,1299 0,00 053 142,0429 0,00 054 156,2472 0,00 055 171,8719 0,00 056 189,0591 0,00 057 207,9651 0,00 058 228,7616 0,00 059 251,6377 0,00 060 276,8015 0,00 061 304,4816 0,00 062 334,9298 0,00 063 368,4228 0,00 064 405,2651 0,00 065 445,7916 0,00 066 490,3707 0,01 067 539,4078 0,01 068 593,3486 0,01 069 652,6834 0,01 070 717,9518 0,01 071 789,7470 0,01 072 868,7217 0,01 073 955,5938 0,01 074 1051,1532 0,01 075 1156,2685 0,01 076 1271,8954 0,01 077 1399,0849 0,01 078 1538,9934 0,02 079 1692,8927 0,02 080 1862,1820 0,02 081 2048,4002 0,02 082 2253,2402 0,02 083 2478,5643 0,03 084 2726,4207 0,03 085 2999,0628 0,03 086 3298,9690 0,04 087 3628,8659 0,04 088 3991,7525 0,04 089 4390,9278 0,05 090 4830,0206 0,05 091 5313,0226 0,06 092 5844,3249 0,06 093 6428,7574 0,07 094 7071,6331 0,08 095 7778,7964 0,08 096 8556,6760 0,09 097 9412,3437 0,10 098 10353,5780 0,11 099 11388,9358 0,12 100 12527,8294 0,13 101 13780,6123 0,15 102 15158,6736 0,16 103 16674,5409 0,18 104 18341,9950 0,20 105 20176,1945 0,22 106 22193,8140 0,24 107 24413,1954 0,26 108 26854,5149 0,29 109 29539,9664 0,32 110 32493,9630 0,35 111 35743,3594 0,38 112 39317,6953 0,42 113 43249,4648 0,46 114 47574,4113 0,51 115 52331,8524 0,56 116 57565,0377 0,62 117 63321,5414 0,68 118 69653,6956 0,74 119 76619,0651 0,82 120 84280,9717 0,90 121 92709,0688 0,99 122 101979,9757 1,09 123 112177,9733 1,20 124 123395,7706 1,32 125 135735,3477 1,45 126 149308,8824 1,60 127 164239,7707 1,75 128 180663,7477 1,93 129 198730,1225 2,12 130 218603,1348 2,34 131 240463,4482 2,57 132 264509,7931 2,83 133 290960,7724 3,11 134 320056,8496 3,42 135 352062,5346 3,76 136 387268,7880 4,14 137 425995,6668 4,55 138 468595,2335 5,01 139 515454,7568 5,51 140 567000,2325 6,06 141 623700,2558 6,66 142 686070,2814 7,33 143 754677,3095 8,06 144 830145,0404 8,87 145 913159,5445 9,76 146 1004475,4989 10,73 147 1104923,0488 11,80 148 1215415,3537 12,99 149 1336956,8891 14,28 150 1470652,5780 15,71 151 1617717,8358 17,28 152 1779489,6194 19,01 153 1957438,5813 20,91 154 2153182,4394 23,00 155 2368500,6834 25,30 156 2605350,7517 27,83 157 2865885,8269 30,62 158 3152474,4096 33,68 159 3467721,8505 37,05 160 3814494,0356 40,75 161 4195943,4391 44,83 162 4615537,7830 49,31 163 5077091,5613 54,24 164 5584800,7175 59,67 165 6143280,7892 65,63 166 6757608,8681 72,20 167 7433369,7549 79,42 1st column is line number = number of item switches, 2nd column is duration in seconds of applying 10% increase line-number times, 3rd column is in days, assuming 1 day = 26 hours so e.g. if you start from a 12 sec duration, to prolong it for 60 days in theory you should switch the amulet at least (line 164 - 27 = 137 ) times I think ideally you should switch when time is stopped e.g. on sea/terrain travel map

[EDIT2] post deleted/reposted in proper thread about the ultimate challenge

I just failed the ultimate with my cheesy psion-trobadour after beating Ukaizo for about a day ... but at least now I know it is not impossible, you just need to be a little more efficient

amplified wave works at least with chanter/priest summons, but what I really love is some cast of screaming souls on many lives pass skeleton ( 30-50 base raw on huge area + distracted, I use it to replace phantom foes opener when I have enough focus), you can target also ancient weapons but many lives is easier as you can start casting safe from afar as soon as the skeleton appears and the skelly will auto run to the enemies) [EDIT] and about kamikaze pain linked summons, wurms are great as they are 1. cheap enough 2. 3 better than 2 3. sturdy enough to survive the time pain link is active 4. very mobile/not slowed by water 5. can hit nasty ranged enemies with fire attack while soaking damage from melee 6. if you like micro they can get 2/3 good crit damage from disengaging causing 30% of that damage automatically to a tough auto engaging attacker e.g. dragons or multiple attacker (e.g. 3 heavily armored melee warriors all engaging a single wurm, nice let me disengage )

i think you can target only controlled summons (e.g. from chanter/priest/druid/ranger) with cipher spells, else keeping Vela alive would be easier too. Maybe with monk summons?

if you like solo and casting trobadour/psion is open to very different fight styles, e.g. you can use pain linked (at high speed from stealth) kamikaze summons and finish the enemy with disintegration (hauani no divide), you can use the sabre of paralyzing chillfog with chant spamming skeletons and spam cipher spells on paralyzed enemies. You just need high stealth to lure enemies on traps and start chanting/filling focus unseen (especially with Vela)

thanks! the boots work (albeit just a second before vela is able to run over the falling ice LOL), I've already managed to pass that fight in a more risky way using a lot of scrolls and staying near vela with lethandria shield healing cheese, but I will surely try the boots trick next time I have to fight the beast of winter

I am not sure I understand the question, but I'll try. If by triggered you mean hitting vela until the blight is spawn, that is to start the fight and make her stand still while terrified, else I'm unable to keep her still with scrolls and she follows/is teleported when dialog with the beast starts normally out of combat. if after starting combat with blight I go to the eastern area where the dialog usually triggers though, dialog/encounter with beast does not trigger any more while in combat mode, it only triggers when combat stops, and vela walks/is teleported depending on her distance right there

I already tried that, but tried it again -trigger summon from the belt ok -withdraw frightened Vela ok -go for a talk with beast (blight will follow you) what happens to me is: blight will follow to the dialog place, nothing happens until blight is dead/combat stops. then the dialog triggers and vela is teleported As a note, I managed to pass past a similar problem during the fight with the dragon, IMO the script there moves all allies in a certain range without nuking the summons, so keeping vela terrified on bottom works if you move near the script trigger zone 3 weapon summons + 4 skeletons + fire blight, the script on the beast of winter area is much worse

dunno, no scroll seem to work so far, I had 2 binding webs + 2 pull of eora + hitting/critting her still when I pressed the final dialog option to start the fight she walked in

the isle position in the video was the first thing i tried, the only difference is that Vela walks there in the middle of dialog instead of teleporting, hopefully it is a matter of finding some way to crit her with a scroll so it lasts more

did anybody manage to replicate/explain how to avoid Vela being teleported to the player/beast of winter when dialog starts, like showed in this video? I've tried with 17 arcana + scroll of binding web, I've tried starting the battle at bottom right of the map using fire blight summon belt, then walking to the encounter area followed by aggroed fire blight summon while Vela is still terrified at the opposite of the map, no way, as soon as I get to the encounter area Vela is teleported in front of the Beast of Winter. Or could it be that the video has been done with a previous patch version?

for what it's worth, last 2 times i tried with both a custom history (having Aloth restoring the leaden key) & not recruiting him I found him killed in ori O Koiki but with no headdress. IMO it's been nerfed in last patches or it is some random thing

priest of skaen/ascendant is also able to beat the ultimate (after you reach salvation of time+barring death door+some way to get brilliant, ascended state is prolonged too). for a non-barring death door+salvation+brilliant thing trobadour/psion is fun from the start if you like casters and with enough time you can kill anything apart probably dorudugan and/or auranic [EDIT] details

Thanks all, very useful answers.

ok, not considering the head slot potential for simplicity sake, let's see if i understand correctly what stats can be compared human: +7 accuracy death godlike: a far as I understand from PL threads spells get 1x3PL accuracy, do weapons get more accuracy than this (I am not talking about empowering abilities, just normal attacks) when having the +3PL? human: +15% of final damage, so additive death godlike: +3x5% of base damage, so multiplicative which is better

Assuming to use barring death door + salvation of time to stay near death, what would be better between human and death godlike in your opinion? at the moment, I'm thinking human extra accuracy + damage + possibility to use helmet > + 3 power level

Ah, sorry, I did not understand yours was an answer to the previous post, not referred to what is needed to enable grave bound

I think you are confusing with Chilling Grave, this is the other sword enchantment branch (Grave Bound ), in theory you just need to stack any 10 hits, then the next crit could process paralyze

I managed to kill Hauani with my psion/trobadour on POTD solo upscaled +all magran fires challenges except Hylea and Wael in a repeatable/not so risky way I think: stealth, trap, lure with sparkcrackers, summon upgraded fire wurms from stealth so you can fast cast valorous echoes + pain link on wurms, repeat until you get Hauani to near death with no risk, go out of stealth, change chant to double many lives so you have lots of summons to keep hauani pressed, keep on summoning wurms and/or ancient weapons, repeat 1. tactical meld to get aware 2. psychovampiric shield to lower hauani will defense an manage to land borrowed instinct. 3. borrowed instinct 4. Secret Horrors to lower hauani constitution, repeat until you manage to land disintegration 5. disintegration, when it finally lands (took me 4 tries) it should destroy hauani without second stage [EDIT] oh, and about + deflection items, I bought +7 bracers from Engari near the pool in the temple of toamowhai in SSS expansion, dunno if vendor stock is random but in case it is not it may be of use

limited spaces excluded (where you can't hide yourself/Vela) if you like micro management and patience trobadour/psion with pain link on summons can also win anything not auto healing in time (pain link is like a 3 x always hitting riposte for 25% damage, the harder they hit the sooner they go down, especially if they have engagement)