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Making breed race? Anyways, I think we can all agree I call race what you guys call species...

So a German Shepherd is from a different RACE than a golden retriever? I can agree if you say different breed; but different race... nah...

Finally, only good, high quality mods will evolve to the point where there is a cost, SINCE people won't buy **** Good, high quality mods only get bought because people never buy thrash. Hmmm, where would I have gotten the hint it should be about the mods and not a general opinion people never buy thrash, as is given here in decent english? Non-native English speakers could get away, but clearly you should know the meaning of *SINCE*... Continuation: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=41726&hl=

No, but they are of the same race (namely: DOG) "

And this is one of the first times A mod goes retail (without even allowing to play it without the original game). Which is the whole freakin' issue... I know plenty of good mods for older games; none of them who needed $ to play; and they all never will...

So your people don't buy **** comment was only based on mods, eh... "SINCE people don't buy ****" doesn't exactly point to that, but more to the general ALWAYS instead of "only when mods are involved" But let's take it back to the original thread instead of hyacking this one...

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Hello maverickshane. But is he really a mod? Even with his orange color he does not show up in the mod list Anyways, congrats!

Not proof at all. And infact it CAN be a thread. If there is support for NWN1 that is giving NWN1 more content than NWN2 will have at retail why buy that sequel?

And then they gave it away " Can't own something you no longer have... False untill proven otherwise (which you can't...)

Dungeon Siege 2. Damn; I want that X-Pack now

Screw ya... " And yes, I do think we (Humans (-Homo-Sapien)) are one "race". There might be differences between black and white people, but so are there differences between me and every family member I have. Hell; twins are never the same mentally. Thus can we forget all the outter visual stuff and concentrate on the inner which while different with each and every human has enough in common to be shared under a single race...

Ahum Consistent, Alanschu... VERY consistent...

@ Metadigital; And did this shareware version of Doom at any way used a Non-ID engine to do his work with. How many shareware programs are released that were made by copyrighed programs like NWN, Half-Life or Unreal Editor? You fail...; Shareware is NOT the same as selling a mod. And no, I don't say cause Garry asks cash DD is evil. DD is evil because it can make mods like Garry's and The Ship and Counter-Strike and DoD payable content where is used to be free; and in the past remained free cause they couldn't ask cash like this. Altough it probably is more a problem of Valve's greed than DD... @ Alanschu; Why not? Wouldn't you do that if it gave you a few thousand dollars. "My car is clean enough for me; I pack up and go do something else." "Sir; If you would wash your car the second time to clean the few tiny spots you missed you get $5000,-". Weeh, would you deny? I know I wouldn't... And yes, basically what he mades for it are patches to fix the issues with the mod. Nice try getting around the point people DO buy crappy games. But by this you haven't given me proof people do always buy stuff they like. On the Gary got hired by Valve. Did he? If he is only getting paid (yes; paid even more besides all the $ of his mod copies. Yeah, more $-grabbing!) to continue on his mod I hardly call it a job. The guys who made that BF mod and got hired got hired to work on BF2, not continue with their mod. The oh so popular to talk about now DLA was hired to work on "mods" that made $ to BioWare, not to continue on their own mods where Bio got no profit from. Or does a large part of the $10,- goes to Valve? In which case it only furthers my proof the inventors of the "dev helping DD to prevent greedy producers" are only more greedy than those prod. themselves, and deserve getting boycotted...

If they thought Bio has such a big share in the sales of a NWN2 they would have never let OE make it...

...and we are a part of Mother Earth...

1. Animals (incl. Humans) that share common similarities like look, behavior and intelligence and reproduce with each other. 2. Only one. 3. Humans, Tigers, Lions, Giraffes, Gorillas, Koala's, Kangeroos (etc. etc. etc.) Make up a gender and age you like to...

So if BioWare makes additional (for additional $) cash it would up the NWN2 sells you think? Why do I doubt that. If you don't find OE's OC interesting enough you surely not going to find a PM from BioWare that is likely 1/4 the size good enough to buy the game. And if you don't care about the included campaigns because you want to mod and DM why care about both? Not talking about the name on the box but the fact BW (not me ) is making content for the game itself. And I doubt that both 1) Atari/OE gains loads of cash for BW made PM's (might aswell ship an X-Pack themselves) 2) BW giving a paid campaign is going to increase the original sales. And since alot of people now go I want NWN2 but not finance Atari why not following Alanschu/Metadigital's advise and use the revolutionair,

Ehm, I never said that. I even find that highly unlikely. Hell, do you really believe NWN2 can sell LESS if BioWare does not make stuff for it. If so why does OE even makes NWN2 in the first place anyways? BioWare cannot come in crying tears for a game they SHOVED OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE. Anyways; I think OE is good enough themselves in making a good game with high sales. They really don't need "content delivered later by BioWare" tag on the box to get any sells... I actually hope the content in NWN2 will crush NWN and stuff; only to show the BioWarians they are not the "gods among RPG-creators"...

Good luck... You'll need it (that is IF you gonna watch it) R.I.P.

But the mod is done. DONE. He wanted to end it; thus it is done. "want updates". All fun for them; but since when is paying for PATCHES become an accepted fact. Was it before or after paid Mods or paid "2 Textures" plugins? Black&White proofs you wrong! DAMN IT; I even bought the PoS myself for the full $50,- while I find it utter crap... Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions and Enter the Matrix were Supergood, don't you agree? After all it got many people to buy the game/ticket; and what sells good must be good. Windows XP is also a prime example of Excelence Unsurpassed AT ALL... the selling figures being so much higher than that of other OS must prove it cannot be any better in a gazillion years Cash + no more interest = No sign of quality. Whatever you may say about it motivating. Does Sequel 300424 for your favorite EA series is so much better than the previous; despite the fact they get loads of $ for each thus could be motivated for extreme quality-improvement? Then make it your job. Go to, say, Obsidian Entertainment and get bloody HIRED. You know it is going to be for free if you make mods... atleast... you KNEW. And the reason I don't buy a carbon copy is because of the bad experience with Half-Life and STEAM. GASP. A DD-delivery system... No WAY it is involved anyhow in the HL2 installation process. That is why everybody loved the install and nobody ever complained about it. Especially not the first few weeks " As I said a zillion times before such is fate if you mod. If you want to see $ go make it your work at a real company. . As obvious there is no way you can do in your living than modding. That is why there are also so many NWN mods. All people who cannot get the food on the table because they cannot work since modding is a 24/7 exploitation exercise... And "asking stuff" certainly always forced devs like, say, Obsidian Entertainment from releasing the actual end of Kotor2 if asked for it... Yup. Mods should be free. Read the EULA of any game with modding tools (to keep it easy just read NWN's one). This changed (for the worse!) when DD came around though; but I am not sure if we need to blame DD or just Valve. Point only is that Gary was already populair before selling stuff. That is a whole lot of difference than immediately asking cash before anybody knows the exact thing you sell (maybe because... it was FREE!)

Most are already mentioned in the thread... but here it goes again; 1. Competition. If there is full support (by Bioware) on NWN there will be less people who want to step over since they can just stay with NWN1 2. People can use the money they otherwise spend on PM's to buy NWN2. Something which get's Atari money, while the PM's don't (or alot less) 3. If there is barely any support after NWN2's release, there cannot be any blame on the fact NWN still has; which would be bad publicity for OE and Atari 4. It allows Atari for less support for NWN2 (+$); seeing there should be no "support competition" from BioWare 5. There did was some D&D license violation in these PM's which made Atari give up the deal with BioWare 6. They might even be forced by WoTC or Hasbro How is a BioWare made PM for NWN2 (is that even allowed; them making paid mods for a game they didn't make themselves?) profitable in any way for Obsidian or Atari? Unless BioWare pays loads of $ in order to get rights to make PM's for NWN2, but I doubt it...

Keep hearing this stuff about "It was scrapped for the ridable horses" OMFGZORS. But if that is the main reason. Besides; who the F*** cares for horses. After Oblivion I surely don't mind having to NEVER see them in RPG's again... There are way better reasons to think for scrapping; reasons who not only sound more reasonable, but are also alot more likely to be Atari's reason for the scrapping of the PM's... Not to say I agree with the descision, though... Yes. I had added "partially" infront of PS:T because it is, well, partially a D&D game (to me atleast...). Same with Kotor. The others (IWD, BG, NWN) are pure D&D though, that's why they didn't get "partially"